Hey Pilgrimshope,
Agreed.
Agreed. But is man
initially a spirit? Below I argue that he is not.
I'll have to disagree with this for two reasons:
1)
Ok for this point, I hope to draw your attention to the section I colored red in your quote. The judgment seat of Christ is at the end of the age after the Millennium, called The Great White Throne Judgment. It's where we're told that the grave and the sea etc give up their dead to be judged (
Rev 20:11-14). We also know this to be the 2nd resurrection (the resurrection of the unjust) as other passages in the scriptures say. So these people are alive in bodies.
There can be no judgment prior to the GWT else folks are being judged
twice. So for all of the related scripture to harmonize with Revelation 20, folks would need to remain in the grave until their resurrection and the
GWT so that the very next thing they experience is their judgment per
Hebrews 9:27.
2)
Posted here for reference:
https://christianchat.com/threads/what-are-you-thoughts-on-annihilation.201874/post-4676552 but shortened below for brevity...
The Word says (as an
initial premise)...
- man
became a soul. It doesn't say man possesses a soul.
- man is made a little
lower than the angels
- angels are
spirits
- man/Adam was sentenced to
return to the dust of the earth because "
dust [Adam is]" as specifically said by Almighty ("
dust thou art").
This is the curse that falls on all mankind; the curse of Adam; that he returns to the ground because he is dust.
Truly for the righteous. But those
not part of the new covenant don't enter into this company. The passage says the spirits of
JUST men. Consider this...
John 3:5-7
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Flesh is flesh. Spirit is spirit. Flesh isn't spirit. Spirit isn't flesh.
Being born again as part of the new covenant is transforming from "flesh" to "spirit". From earthly (below) to heavenly (above). So doesn't it stand to reason that those who
do not accept the Messiah aren't born again and thus aren't "spirits" but still "flesh"? Otherwise, we're attributing qualities and characteristics reserved for the "born again" onto the unjust who are still living within the
initial premise.
1 Corinthians 15:45
- 1st Adam was a living
soul (and all those from him)
- 2nd Adam is a life-giving
spirit (and all those in Him)
Blessings, brother.
yes adam became a living soul , he was created from dust a body , and then God breathed his living spirit into Adam that’s what makes a living soul
a body with a living spirit
“Who knoweth
the spirit of man that goeth upward, and
the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?”
Ecclesiastes 3:21 KJV
a soul is a body with a spirit inside we are the spirit in the body the body is like our operating vehicle it does whatever the spirit decides. The spirit is the life the mind and heart everything not physical .
Adam was a spirit given of God into his own body made of the earth ( flesh ) we operate on earth in the body but who we are the living spirit returns to God for judgement of what we did in the body when we perish.
our spirit is actually being saved is what’s happening we don’t receive a replacement but the Holy Spirit comes to dwell With us a counselor and witness healing us , teaching us . together with our spirit he became our shepherd to lead us through life
“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.”
John 14:16-17 KJV
“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name,
he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
John 14:26 KJV
For as many as are
led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have
received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:”
Romans 8:14-16 KJV
He came to save us from the condemnation ahead for all sinners souls
it’s about
our living spirit being saved from the indignation declared on sin being born again means we’re being made into new creations by believing the gospel and things Christ taught us to believe about him and the kingdom of heaven and applying his teachings to life
if we repent and get our sins remitted we don’t have to worry about the lake of fire or eternal punishment is the thing that’s a better subject. Glory in the eternal kingdom
God only spoke of these terrible things to keep Us from them if we believe and so those who end up there have no excuse It’s about the kingdom
“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand,
Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: …And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Then shall he say also unto
them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And
these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
Matthew 25:31-32, 34, 40-41, 45-46
These aren’t physical kingdoms but spiritual for spiritual creatures having glorified spiritual bodies.
everyone alive has adams corrupted spirit corrupted by the knowledge of good and evil but we can be redeemed by the knowledge of truth in the gospel
We need a new way of thinking and living we believe the gospel and he’s able to impart by faith the right thinking and actions and it’s by him redeeming our condemned spirit before we enter into death in sin we can be saved from death by putting true flesh dominion to death and living by the spirit of Christ with us
“That ye put off concerning the former conversation
the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And
be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
Ephesians 4:22-24 KJV
Our spirit can be made new through the atonement and word of God