Do we need to repent more than once to stay saved?

[seed_time_harvest]

Precious friend, apparently our Precious brother Misunderstands God's Justification, Where we accept HIS FULL, One-Time Sacrifice for ALL of our sin, God FORGIVES us,
And "Declares us Righteous In HIS Sight!" = God's ETERNAL Relationship! This
Cannot "be broken," else ALL of These Things God Did For us, would be false:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!

Then, we are "called into fellowship With CHRIST" (1 Corinthians 1:9). This can and is broken by our disobedience, But, we can "Access God's Amazing GRACE, for help" in our "time of NEED!" (Romans 5:1-2 cp Romans 12:1-2)

More Spiritual understanding of God's THREE Tenses Of Salvation:
God's Simple Will!

When you say that we lose fellowship, are you talking about we lose a good conscience toward GOD when we don't ask for forgiveness or do you mean by not asking for forgiveness means that the person Is not saved until forgiveness Is asked for again,for salvation?

 

[ResidentAlien]

So then would you agree that although It's a good thing to confess your sins for good conscience to GOD It's not necessary to confess your sins to maintain salvation?

Yes, I agree regularly confessing our sin maintains a good conscience. It doesn't maintain our salvation in one sense, but in another it does. If we stop being obedient, it's a slippery slope that leads to backsliding and in some cases outright rejection of Him. This is when a person does forfeit their salvation. So it's very important to obey Him in humility.

I don't believe God's watching every sin and if we forget to confess He says, "Aha, it's out of the Book of Life for you!" But if we backslide and reject Him, He will reject us. Those who endure to the end will be saved.

 

[justbyfaith]

All of scripture is,But not all scripture is scripture,,not to mention many people worship the scripture and not god Just so you know the bible has disruption of patterns and oppositeisms,,for example when, it says moneys the answer to all things,,,,,it means that it is not,,and that's suppose to be self evident.

So, you are in agreement with the Jesus seminar?

I would encourage you to understand that the Jesus seminar is heretical (see Revelation 22:18-19).

 

[justbyfaith]

Ok I did look

found it is "mature" amoung other things

Thayer's Greek Lexicon:



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teleios
1) brought to its end, finished
2) wanting nothing necessary to completeness
3) perfect
4) that which is perfect
4a) consummate human integrity and virtue
4b) of men
4b1) full grown, adult, of full age, mature

Some people want it translated as "mature" to the exclusion of its definition as "perfect"...

And by that their implication is that we cen never be perfect but that if we are mature we will realize that; and if we do not realize that, we are not mature.

However, this is in contradiction to the kjv's rendering of certain verses.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I do believe that All sin Including future sins are forgiven

This teaching is "hyper-grace." I think that's a dirty word around here for some reason but it's a false doctrine that leads into all kinds of error.

 

[justbyfaith]

Let me use a fictitious scenario to explain my point,bare with me .If a person were to forget to pray for forgiveness of their sins,would they still have salvation?

If you say yes, then that would mean that asking for forgiveness after salvation Is for good conscience toward GOD But It does not affect the person's salvation If they forget to ask for forgiveness,would you agree?

I would basically agree but would encourage the reader not to take any chances in the case that I might be wrong on the issue.

 

[justbyfaith]

no
it just means he delivers his people.

If we are not being tempted, or are being delivered from temptation, how can we sin?

 

[Absolutely]

Some people want it translated as "mature" to the exclusion of its definition as "perfect"...

And by that their implication is that we cen never be perfect but that if we are mature we will realize that; and if we do not realize that, we are not mature.

However, this is in contradiction to the kjv's rendering of certain verses.

It can mean mature.

it is written

but i am enjoying just resting in what it says.

i am just looking at what you can not.

 

[Absolutely]

Some people want it translated as "mature" to the exclusion of its definition as "perfect"...

And by that their implication is that we cen never be perfect but that if we are mature we will realize that; and if we do not realize that, we are not mature.

However, this is in contradiction to the kjv's rendering of certain verses.

OK here it is.
(against your doctrine and very simple)
perfect rendered in the bible as mature:

teleiois teleiois G5046 a_ Dat Pl m mature
1 cor 2
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect ["mature" (hands down in the greek)]: yet not the wisdom of this world .......

now reframe it.

change what it really says

 

[seed_time_harvest]

This teaching is "hyper-grace." I think that's a dirty word around here for some reason but it's a false doctrine that leads into all kinds of error.

Yes,hyper grace Is a dirty word around here for some reason for the time being, But I disagree with your stance on future sins.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Yes, I agree regularly confessing our sin maintains a good conscience. It doesn't maintain our salvation in one sense, but in another it does. If we stop being obedient, it's a slippery slope that leads to backsliding and in some cases outright rejection of Him. This is when a person does forfeit their salvation. So it's very important to obey Him in humility.

I don't believe God's watching every sin and if we forget to confess He says, "Aha, it's out of the Book of Life for you!" But if we backslide and reject Him, He will reject us. Those who endure to the end will be saved.

Oh BTW,I'm one of those Once Saved Always Saved people.

 

[Absolutely]

Oh BTW,I'm one of those Once Saved Always Saved people.

what do you do with the 7letters to the 7 churches?

 

[Absolutely]

When you say that we lose fellowship, are you talking about we lose a good conscience toward GOD when we don't ask for forgiveness or do you mean by not asking for forgiveness means that the person Is not saved until forgiveness Is asked for again,for salvation?

I don't think anybody believes they lose their salvation.
did you read my earthly family analogy?

 

[rayzor]

So, you are in agreement with the Jesus seminar?

I would encourage you to understand that the Jesus seminar is heretical (see Revelation 22:18-19).

i have never heard of the Jesus seminar I bet there's been thousands of those kind of things by now.of course nothing beats the spirit in understanding any thing.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I would basically agree but would encourage the reader not to take any chances in the case that I might be wrong on the issue.

GOD looks at the heart so I'm not sure what you mean by the reader should make sure.lol
SIN Is not Imputed where there Is no law meaning If they don't know that they are doing wrong GOD won't count It against them.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

what do you do with the 7letters to the 7 churches?

Could you elaborate more?

 

[Absolutely]

i have never heard of the Jesus seminar I bet there's been thousands of those kind of things by now.of course nothing beats the spirit in understanding any thing.

It is just his little you tube attack against the body of Christ.

he is trying to get that accuser of the brethren thingy down pat.

nahh
he and and his buddies perfected it.

it is like a rotting carcass he proudly sports wearing it proudly

 

[Absolutely]

Could you elaborate more?

Jesus commended several things in those churches.

but some things he threatened them to change or lose their lampstands.

 

[Ogom]

Some people want it translated as "mature" to the exclusion of its definition as "perfect"...

And by that their implication is that we cen never be perfect but that if we are mature we will realize that; and if we do not realize that, we are not mature.

However, this is in contradiction to the kjv's rendering of certain verses.

when large numbers of people want things to be understood a certain way -- according to their chosen way of seeing things -- then such a viewpoint should be questioned.

many are called but few are chosen.

but not all teachings / beliefs should be questioned if many..... only those which go against God / Spirit -- i.e. perfection.

or lead astray, or can cause to lead astray from the ultimate -- Christ / Spirit -- i.e. Perfection.

 

[rayzor]

OK here it is.
(against your doctrine and very simple)
perfect rendered in the bible as mature:

teleiois teleiois G5046 a_ Dat Pl m mature
1 cor 2
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect ["mature" (hands down in the greek)]: yet not the wisdom of this world .......

now reframe it.

change what it really says

Teleiois
The KJV translates Strong's G5046 in the following manner: perfect (17x), man (1x), of full age (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. brought to its end, finished
2. wanting nothing necessary to completeness
3. perfect
4. that which is perfect
   1. consummate human integrity and virtue
   2. of men
      1. full grown, adult, of full age, mature