Do we need to repent more than once to stay saved?

[seed_time_harvest]

I don't think anybody believes they lose their salvation.
did you read my earthly family analogy?

What post# Is It?

 

[Absolutely]

GOD looks at the heart so I'm not sure what you mean by the reader should make sure.lol
SIN Is not Imputed where there Is no law meaning If they don't know that they are doing wrong GOD won't count It against them.

In the ot,there are instructions for the sin of ignorance.

 

[Absolutely]

Teleiois
The KJV translates Strong's G5046 in the following manner: perfect (17x), man (1x), of full age (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. brought to its end, finished
2. wanting nothing necessary to completeness
3. perfect
4. that which is perfect
   1. consummate human integrity and virtue
   2. of men
      1. full grown, adult, of full age, mature

I noticed in your post the meaning no 1 is "mature" (brought to its end, finished).
that is basically strenghtening the perfect = mature rendering.


In 1 cor 2 it seems to ONLY point to mature
teleiois teleiois G5046 a_ Dat Pl m mature
1 cor 2
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect ["mature" (hands down in the greek)]: yet not the wisdom of this world .......

 

[Absolutely]

Oh BTW,I'm one of those Once Saved Always Saved people.

I kinda am.....

 

[rayzor]

I thought the bite of the law was enforced consequences sin = and or mistakes ie sin to a lesser extent.But Paul Rom 7 = The Law and in Gen, the forbidden fruit.In both cases it open theirs eye up thus making them guilty of sin.

 

[Absolutely]

What post# Is It?

317

there is a "spill over" here.

what you are asking is :
"if your child does not ask for forgiveness for a grievous act (sin) that grieves the parent, are they kicked out of the family?"

nope
just sanctioned

now if they do it or something equal many many times and say "i know you would forgive me anyway and there is no way i am going to lose my family position"
well we can all see the heart is corrupt at that point.

so to say all future sins are just a wink from God.....is pretty rotten.

 

[Absolutely]

when large numbers of people want things to be understood a certain way -- according to their chosen way of seeing things -- then such a viewpoint should be questioned.

many are called but few are chosen.

but not all teachings / beliefs should be questioned if many..... only those which go against God / Spirit -- i.e. perfection.

or lead astray, or can cause to lead astray from the ultimate -- Christ / Spirit -- i.e. Perfection.

it can mean either...depends on what verse.

...as i have demonstrated.

 

[rayzor]

I noticed in your post the meaning no 1 is "mature" (brought to its end, finished).
that is basically strenghtening the perfect = mature rendering.


In 1 cor 2 it seems to ONLY point to mature
teleiois teleiois G5046 a_ Dat Pl m mature
1 cor 2
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect ["mature" (hands down in the greek)]: yet not the wisdom of this world .......

Teleiois = tom job 1:1 h 8535 gen 6:9 = h8549 Tawmean = purl Hebrew words for perfect

 

[seed_time_harvest]

317

Yes I read It and replied to It In post #320.

so to say all future sins are just a wink from God.....is pretty rotten.

I didn’t agree with this part^

I do believe that All sin Including future sins are forgiven and that's why we pray forgive me of my sins even as I forgive those who sin against just In case I sinned and was not aware that I sinned
And for good conscience/fellowship toward GOD.



Sidenote:A person that has been reborn WILL seek to purify themselves (their bodies/mind) even as they are pure (spirit of a just men made perfect)

 

[SophieT]

Ok I did look

found it is "mature" amoung other things

Thayer's Greek Lexicon:



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teleios
1) brought to its end, finished
2) wanting nothing necessary to completeness
3) perfect
4) that which is perfect
4a) consummate human integrity and virtue
4b) of men
4b1) full grown, adult, of full age, mature

I would suggest that is not the 'popular' usage for the word;

I checked with more than one source. I would not think the word 'mature' would tie in with the sense of the meaning of the scripture being discussed. it certainly is not being used that way by jbf that I have seen

as an aside, he is also KJ only and pointed out he thought I avoided it, which, in his estimation, made me a little less than saved

 

[rayzor]

Jhn 5:14
Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.,,,,He did not say be mature,,,,he said sin no more.

Jhn 8:11
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

 

[SophieT]

Yes,hyper grace Is a dirty word around here for some reason for the time being, But I disagree with your stance on future sins.

in the sense of once you are saved, no matter what you can sin and you are still saved...some might refer to this as hyper OSAS

in the actual sense of all sin being forgiven for all mankind, that would be true, because Jesus ONCE for ALL

that would mean future sin as well even for an individual, meaning, as John said, if we sin we know we can be forgiven

I think the definitions are starting to slide and it needs to be clear that it does not seem someone is saying here that we are free to sin because all sin is forever forgiven. I don't see that being said here and I don't think you are saying it either

 

[SophieT]

People like you?

Like I said,

Sheep bite.

you did not post all that I said. there is a reason I said the above. you stated because I was not listening to you, my blood would be on my own head. and yes, if you keep addressing others that way, they will start reporting you. this is a Christian site and if you actually believe that someone's blood is on their own head because they do not obey YOU, then we have a problem here

well see now, if you actually believed salvation was through the blood of Christ, you would not say the above

it's disgraceful that you come to a Christian forum and then try to teach people here that sinless perfection is possible

it is apparent you believe in a works salvation plan that is not of God and also apparent that you cast empty, yet devilish, accusations at people

keep it up and folks are going to start reporting you. what you teach is not accepted Christian doctrine

 

[SophieT]

The one who is sanctified wholly (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv), Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), 1 John 3:9 (kjv)) is sanctified in Christ.

And if sanctification is not a practical thing, it has no meaning whatsoever. See also 1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, and Matthew 5:6.

sanctification is most certainly practical in the outworking of our lives...as I have stated MULTIPLE times now

I would call that practical blindness

I find it interesting that you are now repeating some of what I said, including what the word 'holy' means

smh

again, I am not going to respond to every single post you create that is aimed in my direction. you just repeat yourself

 

[SophieT]

Bible school also taught him a female can not usurp authority over a man

well there is actual authority and then there is the because I am male I have authority over all females

the second one is bogus and not biblical, I suppose he would like to petition the owner of the forum to kick us all out

is he also a Sabbath keeper since he menionned a meeting last night (Sat) and is so busy here today?

it always leaks out in one way or another

 

[rayzor]

Again Jesus does say to sin no more.And what does sin no more mean?

 

[Ogom]

Again Jesus does say to sin no more.And what does sin no more mean?

crucifixion / die to self / no nore carnal nature / to walk in Spirit

 

[justbyfaith]

there is also no need for your special brand of self importance. you are the only one impressed with that. it's actually a big turn-off

I think that what you are not liking is not that I am self-important; I don't think of myself as important although I do know that I have a knowledge of the scriptures that can contribute to the edification of the body of Christ.

What you do not like is my doctrine...the doctrine of "entire sanctification".

You consider that this doctrine somehow makes me self-important when in all reality it is the humblest doctrine in the world.

Because in order to receive entire sanctification, one must humble himself...surrender...repent.

 

[SophieT]

I think that what you are not liking is not that I am self-important; I don't think of myself as important although I do know that I have a knowledge of the scriptures that can contribute to the edification of the body of Christ.

What you do not like is my doctrine...the doctrine of "entire sanctification".

You consider that this doctrine somehow makes me self-important when in all reality it is the humblest doctrine in the world.

Because in order to receive entire sanctification, one must humble himself...surrender...repent.

well then explain why so many others are also disagreeing with you

 

[rayzor]

well then explain why so many others are also disagreeing with you

well the world disagreeing with you does not make one wrong that's for sure.,,,but that do's not make one right either make sure what you know is not based in pride.