Vaccine Mandate For Me 🤔

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PennEd

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Pure conspiratorial speculation.
You are completely misinformed.

I personally know several people that have been working from home for a year and a half, with no return in sight, that are mandated to get the vaccine.
 

CS1

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the vaccine mandate is going to blow up in the liberal face. the Airlines are just the beginning. If the Pilots and truck drivers decide to tell Washington to go and take a long walk off a short pier the government will give up on this. Most of the news to my shock is starting
to post and say and report the delta vaccine is lowering. Even the corrupted Fauci is saying this too. The table is about to ensnare them.

Ps69:22

"May the table set before them become a snare; may it become retribution and a trap".
 
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SophieT

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i don't recall anti-vaccination being a core doctrine of Christianity, like the JW tenets against receiving blood transfusions or certain fringe cults rejection of any & all medical procedures.
so my question would be whether you are falsely claiming 'religious exemption' for something that's actually motivated by secular political concerns.


the language in the Nuremberg code is about experimentation, not vaccination against disease. you're not being pressured into taking part in clinical trials -- and above all you technically always have the option of getting a different job, regardless of the financial hardship that may incur.

while you may be able to find an exemption to your employer's request through these channels i'm not convinced that what you're doing is strictly honorable.
there are many things that are not a 'core' doctrine of Christianity, putting aside the fact there were no vaccinations 2000 + years ago

does everything have to be secular political concerns? how about genuine health concerns. you got the set of vaccinations and that was your CHOICE. see the word choice there?

it does not matter whether or not you think what the op is doing is honorable according to your definition. Again, you got the vaccinations before the mandates started...and before all the side effects became apparent.

why would you think you are somehow able to judge whether or not the op is being 'honorable'? I think most of us who object are not appreciating the mandates

first, get the vaccines, then still wear your mask, then maybe get a booster and then how often:unsure: then we find out there are many break through cases of covid so why would someone put that substance into their body, knowing they can have very bad side effects and even if they do not, they still have to wear a mask even though it is proven masks do not keep you safe. the little covid beasties go right through those masks...you need a special kind to avoid the inhaling of this thing

smh
 
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SophieT

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Yes it speaks for itself. A person is called a "subject" when they are in a clinical experiment and called a "patient" when they are receiving a medical procedure.
it is an experiment tho

emergency use is not 'approved' and the fact is, there is actually still no approved vaccine making the rounds

it's not a procedure. vaccinations are not procedures. I've had both vaccinations and procedures...not the same

Pure conspiratorial speculation.
:cautious: you are so blue, you are in your own category
 

Nehemiah6

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emergency use is not 'approved' and the fact is, there is actually still no approved vaccine making the rounds
Correct. And people need to be reminded over and over again that:

1. There was no pandemic. The death rates overall were less than or about 0.1%. Therefore a bogus pandemic was created to generate fear and panic.

2. There was no natural virus. COVID-19 was a lab-manufactured bioweapon funded with American dollars and fueled by Chinese duplicity.

3. There was no science behind lockdowns, masking, distancing, obsessive wiping of hard surfaces etc.

4. Cheap and effective drugs and remedies such as HCQ, zinc, azithromycin, ivermectin, etc were deliberately sabotaged and suppressed to increase the death rates.

5. All the "vaccines" were bogus and contained multiple harmful and lethal toxins.

6. There was no emergency, therefore "emergency use approval" was a total sham to trick people.

7. There was never any full disclosure to any human guinea pig as required by the Nuremberg Code. Had there been such disclosure, no one would have agreed to be vaccinated. If you were told "This injection could kill you within 24-48 hours without producing any immunity" would you agree to become a guinea pig?

8. There have been absolutely no arrests, prosecutions, convictions, incarcerations, and executions against those who have committed crimes against humanity.

9. All the so-called free countries of the West have become totalitarian COVID tyranny regimes in spite of all the protests around the world.

10. This is all a part of the Great Reset, which is a Satanic conspiracy to subjugate all peoples, while using the "vaccines" to depopulate, destabilize, debilitate, and destroy millions of lives in preparation for the Antichrist.

NOTE FOR CHRISTIANS: The COVID vaccines are akin to Nebuchadnezzar's Golden Image, which demanded that absolutely everyone bow down and worship that idol. So Christians will need to follow the example of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego and refuse to bow down. Obviously, there is a price attached to this refusal.
 
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SophieT

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1. There was no pandemic. The death rates overall were less than or about 0.1%. Therefore a bogus pandemic was created to create fear and panic.
Referencing your #1 item in your response:

waaay back in the beginning of all this mess, I noted that the perimeters what constitutes a pandemic were changed. well hooray

The World Health Organization, whose duties include directing and coordinating authority for health within the United Nations system, will soon be writing science textbooks.

That statement isn’t true, of course. But it was my reaction to reading the latest announcement from Geneva:

Bowing to pressure, the World Health Organization announced Friday that it would rewrite its rules for alerting the world to new diseases, meaning the swine flu circling the globe will probably never be declared a full-fledged pandemic. Dr. Keiji Fukuda, the deputy director general making the W.H.O. announcement, said that he could not predict exactly what the new rules would be but that criteria would include a “substantial risk of harm to people,” not just the geographic spread of a relatively benign virus.
Apparently members of the United Nations don’t like the fact that WHO has been using ‘pandemic’ to describe the global spread of the new H1N1 influenza strains. They feel that the word pandemic implies that the virus is lethal and capable of causing many deaths – like the 1918 strain of influenza. Problem is, the new H1N1 strain isn’t any more lethal than seasonal strains of the virus. Apparently using the p-word gets everyone frightened as pandemic preparedness plans shift into gear.

According to the virology textbooks (one of which I wrote), the word pandemic means ‘global epidemic’. Even wikipedia has a benign definition: “A pandemic (from Greek παν pan all + δήμος demos people) is an epidemic of infectious disease that spreads through populations across a large region; for instance a continent, or even worldwide.”

I can already see how the WHO edict will influenza future versions of textbooks. For example, the current edition of Clinical Virology states “Over the past 300 years, at least six pandemics of influenza have probably occurred, including three well-characterized ones in the 20th century”. In the next edition, this will have to be rewritten: “Until recently, at least six pandemics of influenza have probably occurred, including three well-characterized ones in the 20th century. In 2009, a new strain of H1N1 influenza emerged and spread globally, but it was not considered a pandemic by the new WHO rules”.

WHO redefining pandemic is absurd. Pandemic is an epidemiological definition that has nothing to do with virulence. A pandemic of influenza occurs when a new viral strain emerges to which the population has little or no immunity. Although pandemic is most frequently associated with influenza virus, other infectious agents may cause worldwide epidemics. The world is currently in the midst of an AIDS pandemic, one of the worst in history.

WHO should leave textbook writing to others. To paraphrase Andre Lwoff, a pandemic is a pandemic. The word implies nothing about virulence – and has little to do with politics.

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and no argument with the rest of your post

people who do not even have the power to do the things they are doing are in charge. and people seem to be loving it. please tell us what to do and we will do it and we will point out those who do not follow and we will provide names and addresses of those who do not follow and we will mindlessly do your bidding
 

Nehemiah6

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Pure conspiratorial speculation.
This response means one of two things (1) total ignorance of what is going on, or (2) wilful support of Satan's evil agenda by a Christian. Neither option is very good.

The whole idea of the COVID-Vaccine tyranny is to divide people into two groups and have then at loggerheads. At the same time, there will be (and there is) massive persecution of those who resist and reject all this nonsense which has no scientific basis. The very meanings of "vaccines" , "pandemics", "cases", "breakthroughs" etc have all been changed for the sake of this evil agenda. Medical doctors and nurses who believe in true science are being fired every day.
 
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#28
Pure conspiratorial speculation.
Turn off the mainstream media and look at what is happening. Drop the buzz words and look for the facts. This position is not without evidence.

Here's an example from Canada:
https://www.canada.ca/en/treasury-b...ederally-regulated-transportation-sector.html

If you happened to gear your education and work experience towards a career in the Canadian federal workforce, good luck finding a job of equal pay or any job in your field. And eventually, who knows if they will permit any job without that vaccine status. In Australia, the common catch-phrase was "no jab, no pay" with the recent focus on these experimental vaccines.

There are clearly policy pushers in play that would like to force dependence on this experimental vaccination in order to live and function in society.
 

Roughsoul1991

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i don't recall anti-vaccination being a core doctrine of Christianity, like the JW tenets against receiving blood transfusions or certain fringe cults rejection of any & all medical procedures.
so my question would be whether you are falsely claiming 'religious exemption' for something that's actually motivated by secular political concerns.


the language in the Nuremberg code is about experimentation, not vaccination against disease. you're not being pressured into taking part in clinical trials -- and above all you technically always have the option of getting a different job, regardless of the financial hardship that may incur.

while you may be able to find an exemption to your employer's request through these channels i'm not convinced that what you're doing is strictly honorable.
Do you believe your body to be a temple? How about the conscience where as if you go against it, scripture calls it sin.

How about loving your neighbor? To force others against their will for medical purposes is not something that sits will also with conscience. I'll defend others rights for basic human rights.

Or as salt and light. The salt being a preserving agent. This push and violation of the Constitution and federal laws falls right in line with the socialist agenda. Which is harmful for all citizens. Again I love my neighbor to stand against it, to try and slow the decay.

I could ask others why are they not defending others? Regardless of vaccination status everyone should be for human rights.

the language in the Nuremberg code is about experimentation, not vaccination against disease. you're not being pressured into taking part in clinical trials -- and above all you technically always have the option of getting a different job, regardless of the financial hardship that may incur.
All of the current vaccines are still under experimental.

How will I fight the mandate if I quit?

while you may be able to find an exemption to your employer's request through these channels i'm not convinced that what you're doing is strictly honorable
It would not matter if you see something as honorable it only matters what my conscience believes and what the Spirit is urging me to do. We obey God rather than men.
 

TheLearner

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I have applied for exemption so trying to avoid all 3. If I run out of options and forced to get a shot Im looking at my options to file for discrimination charges based on religion. If that is successful, then at least it could set precedent for other employees.
Contact the ACLU to see if they will take your case. I do not know of a Christian ACLU.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Isaiah 1:17
New International Version


17 Learn to do right; seek justice.
Defend the oppressed.
Take up the cause of the fatherless;
plead the case of the widow.

Seek justice and defend the oppressed. The unvaccinated crowd is being prepared to be treated like 3rd class citizens. It is sad to see such lack of care for the minority group even people wishing death to them. They will mandate a vaccine to our military claiming battle readiness as the issue but allow transgender surgeries. Hospitals want their Doctors and Nurses vaccinated to protect the patients but yet the vaccinated and unvaccinated carry the same viral load. In fact the more you are immune, the lesser your symptoms. Meaning you may be just as contagious but not sick enough to get tested.

Who are we protecting? The vaccinated? The vulnerable? The children? The healthcare system? Or is this about money? Control? Or a political agenda? Unfortunately the majority of Americans are in debt and have some type of government assistance that keeps them from being free of government manipulation. Threaten people the loss of job and as a slave to debt or healthcare, people easily give in. Generational burdens have landed us all in a national debt that we all will eventually face. In less we are totally self sufficient on the land, we will be a slave to the system of injustice.
 
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Contact the ACLU to see if they will take your case. I do not know of a Christian ACLU.
American Center for Law and Justice

ACLU, like SPLC, is a leftist organization. The truth is out there but will not be heard from the lips of liars. The people and groups pushing the globalist agenda are not to be trusted.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Update: As much as I am depressed of this update. Today was the deadline or face termination. I work for the government and the mandate is being pushed with such abuse for example, not even giving the guidelines for medical or religious exemptions until the day of the deadline.

It is sad at the state of morale for our people who are in the military or work to help keep them battle ready. The few who feel they can risk job less are really good people and that will hurt battle readiness.

A big class action lawsuit is now against Biden for the military solidiers, civil service, and contractors but they are ramming in the mandate faster than the law can keep it.

The deadline was today, I had my first shot this morning.

All I can say is, do your best to make sure you are financially stable or have a plan B so you can push back. Me pushing back would have hurt my wife and kids. I am thankful that God has people in place to push back.

Of course, we never know how we will react to the vaccine. A few hours in, I feel weak and like a sinus headache.

I struggled for days and lost sleep on what to do. I psychologically am struggling with anger and depression. I am fed up with the Biden Administration. They are hurting our military who is filled with people who love this country and only want to serve to secure our foreign or domestic defense. That is what I love about my job but I fear if it becomes more radical, more good people will leave, leaving a void filled with corruption.

I am fed up with the government's arm in the medical influence of the country that has largely been based on politics versus science.

(This post is more emotion versus Biblical truth to the response of anger or depression.)
 

GiveThanks

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I have applied for exemption so trying to avoid all 3. If I run out of options and forced to get a shot Im looking at my options to file for discrimination charges based on religion. If that is successful, then at least it could set precedent for other employees.
Does the scripture say we should not get vaccine? So how can you file on basis of religion?
 
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TheIndianGirl

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Update: As much as I am depressed of this update. Today was the deadline or face termination. I work for the government and the mandate is being pushed with such abuse for example, not even giving the guidelines for medical or religious exemptions until the day of the deadline.

It is sad at the state of morale for our people who are in the military or work to help keep them battle ready. The few who feel they can risk job less are really good people and that will hurt battle readiness.

A big class action lawsuit is now against Biden for the military solidiers, civil service, and contractors but they are ramming in the mandate faster than the law can keep it.

The deadline was today, I had my first shot this morning.

All I can say is, do your best to make sure you are financially stable or have a plan B so you can push back. Me pushing back would have hurt my wife and kids. I am thankful that God has people in place to push back.

Of course, we never know how we will react to the vaccine. A few hours in, I feel weak and like a sinus headache.

I struggled for days and lost sleep on what to do. I psychologically am struggling with anger and depression. I am fed up with the Biden Administration. They are hurting our military who is filled with people who love this country and only want to serve to secure our foreign or domestic defense. That is what I love about my job but I fear if it becomes more radical, more good people will leave, leaving a void filled with corruption.

I am fed up with the government's arm in the medical influence of the country that has largely been based on politics versus science.

(This post is more emotion versus Biblical truth to the response of anger or depression.)
I believe you made the right decision for you and your family. Not everyone can afford to quit their job. Even if you quit your job, you can say goodbye to getting another government (at least for now) since you'll need to get vaccinated. Plus most jobs are either officially or unofficially requiring a vaccine, unless you want to work for a small business. You should be fine with the vaccine. If you are worried about blood clots you can take a baby aspirin daily until after your second shot, but talk to your doctor first.
 

Roughsoul1991

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I believe you made the right decision for you and your family. Not everyone can afford to quit their job. Even if you quit your job, you can say goodbye to getting another government (at least for now) since you'll need to get vaccinated. Plus most jobs are either officially or unofficially requiring a vaccine, unless you want to work for a small business. You should be fine with the vaccine. If you are worried about blood clots you can take a baby aspirin daily until after your second shot, but talk to your doctor first.
Thank you. Is that something to worry about? Lol I tried not to read the details.