Tree of Live and Evil

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DavidTree

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Magenta said:
Adam and Eve would have had to eat from the Tree of Life to attain to life ever after.

First comes the physical, and then the spiritual :)God alone dwells in immortality :)
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i do not believe so - man was made in the Image of God and that means absolutely no death.
This is absolutely confirmed by God Himself when HE said that they would ONLY die from disobedience = Sin.

Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat,
for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

Eating of the Tree of Life is something different, which i will not expound upon at this time - Peace.

But i will encourage your heart soul and mind to open UP to this hidden Truth - Peace
 
Aaron56

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jaliz22 said:
No Adam and eve were not immortal before sin only the tree of life can do that
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Nope. Sin brought death. The Tree of Life would have allowed them to live until the end of the age without repentance.
 
Magenta

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DavidTree said:
i do not believe so - man was made in the Image of God and that means absolutely no death.
This is absolutely confirmed by God Himself when HE said that they would ONLY die from disobedience = Sin.

Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat,
for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

Eating of the Tree of Life is something different, which i will not expound upon at this time - Peace.

But i will encourage your heart soul and mind to open UP to this hidden Truth - Peace
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Your position makes God have sin in Him, then, too. Man was given a choice, and chose wrongly, but God already knew they would do that, since Jesus was not plan "B" but purposed from before the foundation of the world. Life is in Him alone and they chose their way above His.

Man was not created immortal. Nor did Adam and Eve eat from the Tree of Life, which is made available to all now.
In fact they were prevented from eating from the Tree of Life when they were banished from the garden.

Scripture EXPLICITLY states that God alone has immortality.
 
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jaliz22

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montana123 said:
When Adam and Eve were ousted from the garden God protected the tree of life lest they eat of it and live forever which if they ate off of the tree of life in their sinful condition they would of stayed like that with no reversal and all their offspring could not be saved because they would have the same nature as Adam and Eve.

Adam and Eve were created innocent with no sin attached to them and it would of never entered their mind to eat of the tree of good and evil unless and outside source tempted them so God allowed Satan to tempt Eve and she said they could not eat of the tree for that is all she could know and think.

Then Satan tempted her with an alternate reality and Eve ate of the tree and sinned then Eve was the outside source that tempted Adam by showing him that nothing happened to her and he ate of the fruit and sinned.

The tree of life was in the garden which means if they did not eat of the tree of the good and evil they would of lived forever although it would of been in the flesh which it was not forbidden to eat of the tree of life.

When God said if they eat of the tree of good and evil they would die He meant they would die physically for they could not die spiritually because they would of lived forever in the flesh if they did not eat of the tree of good and evil.

They would of never been able to be in heaven but only live on earth and they would never be able to have a glorified body.

This is what makes sense to me.
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How does that make sense they needed to eat from the tree of life to live forever so they weren't immortal by default
 
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rayzor

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ya! but isen't Jesus the tree of life?
 
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jaliz22

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rayzor said:
with out sin we would not age:)that's um:unsure:what i always thought:cautious:
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I don't know why every indication says that humans are not immortal until they eat from the tree of life.
 
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jaliz22

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Aaron56 said:
Nope. Sin brought death. The Tree of Life would have allowed them to live until the end of the age without repentance.
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No, the tree of life would have allowed them to live forever as genesis and other books state
 
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Magenta said:
Your position makes God have sin in Him, then, too. Man was given a choice, and chose wrongly, but God already knew they would do that, since Jesus was not plan "B" but purposed from before the foundation of the world. Life is in Him alone and they chose their way above His.

Man was not created immortal. Nor did Adam and Eve eat from the Tree of Life, which is made available to all now.
In fact they were prevented from eating from the Tree of Life when they were banished from the garden.

Scripture EXPLICITLY states that God alone has immortality.
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will sin is not independent of god.Nothing is.
 
Aaron56

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jaliz22 said:
Yes he is he is also the tree of knowledge for they are the same tree
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That’s wrong but I’m certain you won’t see it any other way. Ignored.
 
Magenta

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This verse speaks of God alone having immortality:

1 Timothy 6:16

New International Version
who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom
no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.

English Standard Version
who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one
has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.

Berean Study Bible
He alone is immortal and dwells in unapproachable light. No one has ever seen Him,
nor can anyone see Him. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

Berean Literal Bible
alone having immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no one of
men has seen nor is able to see, to whom be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.

King James Bible
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto;
whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

New King James Version
who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no
man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.

New American Standard Bible
who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom
no one has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

NASB 1995
who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom
no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

NASB 1977
who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light; whom
no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

Amplified Bible
He alone possesses immortality [absolute exemption from death] and lives in unapproachable light,
whom no man has ever seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal power and dominion! Amen.

Christian Standard Bible
who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom
no one has seen or can see, to him be honor and eternal power. Amen.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
the only One who has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light;
no one has seen or can see Him, to Him be honor and eternal might. Amen.

American Standard Version
who only hath immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable; whom no
man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power eternal. Amen.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Who only hath immortality, and inhabiteth light inaccessible, whom no man
hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and empire everlasting. Amen.

English Revised Version
who only hath immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable; whom no
man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power eternal. Amen.

Good News Translation
He alone is immortal; he lives in the light that no one can approach. No one has
ever seen him; no one can ever see him. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen.

Literal Standard Version
having immortality alone, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no one
of men saw, nor is able to see, to whom [is] honor and perpetual might! Amen.

NET Bible
He alone possesses immortality and lives in unapproachable light, whom no
human has ever seen or is able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen.

New Heart English Bible
who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light; whom no
human has seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and eternal power. Amen.

Weymouth New Testament
who alone possesses immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, and whom
no man has seen or can see. To Him be eternal honour and power! Amen.

World English Bible
who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light; whom no
man has seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and eternal power. Amen.

Young's Literal Translation
who only is having immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable, whom no one of
men did see, nor is able to see, to whom is honour and might age-during! Amen.

This truth is not hidden :) Though many seem to be blind to it :(
 
DavidTree

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Aaron56 said:
Jesus was such a troublemaker.
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It rubs off on the people who make friends with Him also - they get kicked out of synagogues for "writing on the wall" and then they get others to disobey and skip Law School. They went so far as saying the Headmaster was dead, even though he wasn't.
Enticing the youth to draw them away. Some young guy named Stephen was filled with some Spirit Juice and he lectured the 'Adults and Teachers' in the room on how Moses had said there was another Prophet who came and went that they needed to listen to Him - there beanies spun on that one.
Maybe Stephen had a little too much to drink at Jacob's Fill UP Well because he lambasted them for killing prophets and turning an innocent Man over to Pilate who is real nasty and is known for executions.
Well it ended bad for Stephen got Juiced a little more then they liked and they said he looked like an angel, upon which Stephen looked UP and he said he saw the Prophet in a Place where it was Standing Room only next to the Big Guy.

Long story short - Juice UP at Jacob's Well and the next thing you know your a Living Stoner.
 
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jaliz22

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DavidTree said:
It rubs off on the people who make friends with Him also - they get kicked out of synagogues for "writing on the wall" and then they get others to disobey and skip Law School. They went so far as saying the Headmaster was dead, even though he wasn't.
Enticing the youth to draw them away. Some young guy named Stephen was filled with some Spirit Juice and he lectured the 'Adults and Teachers' in the room on how Moses had said there was another Prophet who came and went that they needed to listen to Him - there beanies spun on that one.
Maybe Stephen had a little too much to drink at Jacob's Fill UP Well because he lambasted them for killing prophets and turning an innocent Man over to Pilate who is real nasty and is known for executions.
Well it ended bad for Stephen got Juiced a little more then they liked and they said he looked like an angel, upon which Stephen looked UP and he said he saw the Prophet in a Place where it was Standing Room only next to the Big Guy.

Long story short - Juice UP at Jacob's Well and the next thing you know your a Living Stoner.
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What are u guys talking about?
 
DavidTree

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Magenta said:
Your position makes God have sin in Him, then, too. Man was given a choice, and chose wrongly, but God already knew they would do that, since Jesus was not plan "B" but purposed from before the foundation of the world. Life is in Him alone and they chose their way above His.

Man was not created immortal. Nor did Adam and Eve eat from the Tree of Life, which is made available to all now.
In fact they were prevented from eating from the Tree of Life when they were banished from the garden.

Scripture EXPLICITLY states that God alone has immortality.
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You do not understand my posts right now.
i said that God has no sin in Him by default and could not create Adam and Eve with Death in them.

Just as God said: everything was GOOD and no sin and therefore No Death.
The day they sinned the died and you need to dwell on what i said and allow the Holy Spirit to reveal it to you.
Scripture cannot lie.
 
DavidTree

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jaliz22 said:
What are u guys talking about?
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Spirit Juice Language that you cannot have right now.

Jesus had some and they said He was crazy.

"Then the Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon!" - John 8:52
 
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jaliz22

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DavidTree said:
You do not understand my posts right now.
i said that God has no sin in Him by default and could not create Adam and Eve with Death in them.

Just as God said: everything was GOOD and no sin and therefore No Death.
The day they sinned the died and you need to dwell on what i said and allow the Holy Spirit to reveal it to you.
Scripture cannot lie.
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DavidTree said:
You do not understand my posts right now.
i said that God has no sin in Him by default and could not create Adam and Eve with Death in them.

Just as God said: everything was GOOD and no sin and therefore No Death.
The day they sinned the died and you need to dwell on what i said and allow the Holy Spirit to reveal it to you.
Scripture cannot lie.
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This comes from a misconception on your part not hers. On day one both light and dark existed. And everything was still good. It wasn't that there was no darkness, its that the darkness and light were ordered I.e separated.
Notice God never says let there be darkness. It was already there because its what God is.
 
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jaliz22

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DavidTree said:
Spirit Juice Language that you cannot have right now.

Jesus had some and they said He was crazy.

"Then the Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon!" - John 8:52
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because he did have a demon he is the serpent
 
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