Does God Love all people?
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Depends on which one of the Seven types of love you are referencing.
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• 1John 4:10 . . .This is love: God loved us when we didn't love Him, and
sent His son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
There's two distinctly separate Greek words for love in that verse. The first is
an abstract noun covering every aspect of love: affectionate and non
affectionate
The second is a verb that speaks of benevolence sans any particular
affection and/or fondness. This is the manner of love we're required to
extend to everyone, friend and foe alike; which is fortunate because some
people are impossible to like.
In a nutshell, the love that God expressed in sending His son to die for
sinners was an act of gratuitous kindness, care, pity, and sympathy which
should not be mistaken to indicate that He particularly likes any of us. In
point of fact, God most likely detests a pretty good number of people; yet
He's concerned for their safety anyway because God is a neighborly sort of
person who prefers civility over bad manners.
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• 1John 4:10 . . .This is love: God loved us when we didn't love Him, and
sent His son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
There's two distinctly separate Greek words for love in that verse. The first is
an abstract noun covering every aspect of love: affectionate and non
affectionate
The second is a verb that speaks of benevolence sans any particular
affection and/or fondness. This is the manner of love we're required to
extend to everyone, friend and foe alike; which is fortunate because some
people are impossible to like.
In a nutshell, the love that God expressed in sending His son to die for
sinners was an act of gratuitous kindness, care, pity, and sympathy which
should not be mistaken to indicate that He particularly likes any of us. In
point of fact, God most likely detests a pretty good number of people; yet
He's concerned for their safety anyway because God is a neighborly sort of
person who prefers civility over bad manners.
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God loved Jacob but hated Esau….hmmm I wonder what Greek or Hebrew or Aramaic word was used for “love” and “hate” in this verse…
“I have loved you,” says the Lord. “Yet you say, ‘In what way have You loved us?’ Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?” Says the Lord . “Yet Jacob I have loved; But Esau I have hated, And laid waste his mountains and his heritage For the jackals of the wilderness.”
Malachi 1:2-3 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Malachi 1:2-3&version=NKJV
“I have loved you,” says the Lord. “Yet you say, ‘In what way have You loved us?’ Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?” Says the Lord . “Yet Jacob I have loved; But Esau I have hated, And laid waste his mountains and his heritage For the jackals of the wilderness.”
Malachi 1:2-3 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Malachi 1:2-3&version=NKJV
I think that there's a reason that God hated Esau.
A very specific attitude that God can't stand. (Abusing their relationship)
God already knew that Esau would become a profane person and that Edom would become the bitter enemy of Israel. And God and Christ hate iniquity. Hence "Esau have I hated".
Jacob and Esau were identified as two nations in Rebekah's womb.
They can be seen as types, since Jacob became Israel, and Esau begat the Edomites, who were enemies of God.
3. John 6:68-71 Simon Peter answered, “Lord, who will we go to? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and know that You are the Holy One of God!” Jesus replied to them, “Didn’t I choose you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is the Devil!” He was referring to Judas, Simon Iscariot’s son, one of the Twelve, because he was going to betray Him.
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• Rom 9:13 . . As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
The Greek verb translated "hated" in Rom 9:13 is a mite ambiguous because
it doesn't always indicate hatred as a passion, for example Luke 14:26
where Jesus said:
"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and
children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be
my disciple."
Hatred for one's relatives is the passion of a murderer. (1John 3:15) and
children are required to honor their parents. (Eph 6:1-2)
Miseo also means to love less, i.e. to love someone or something else more.
For example; Rom 9:13 is a bounce from Malachi 1:3 where the Hebrew
word for hatred is the very same word for hatred in Gen 29:31 where Leah
is depicted as a hated wife. Well; I seriously doubt that Jacob detested Leah;
he just cared for Rachel more; that's all.
Anyway, I'll concede that God was very likely disgusted with Esau, but I
seriously doubt that He felt enough personal dislike for the man to wish he
would catch the Wuhan thingy or step in front of a bus.
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• Rom 9:13 . . As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
The Greek verb translated "hated" in Rom 9:13 is a mite ambiguous because
it doesn't always indicate hatred as a passion, for example Luke 14:26
where Jesus said:
"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and
children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be
my disciple."
Hatred for one's relatives is the passion of a murderer. (1John 3:15) and
children are required to honor their parents. (Eph 6:1-2)
Miseo also means to love less, i.e. to love someone or something else more.
For example; Rom 9:13 is a bounce from Malachi 1:3 where the Hebrew
word for hatred is the very same word for hatred in Gen 29:31 where Leah
is depicted as a hated wife. Well; I seriously doubt that Jacob detested Leah;
he just cared for Rachel more; that's all.
Anyway, I'll concede that God was very likely disgusted with Esau, but I
seriously doubt that He felt enough personal dislike for the man to wish he
would catch the Wuhan thingy or step in front of a bus.
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You would attempt to make the Bible contradict itself?
The word for "hate" in this verse...
"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and
children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be
my disciple."
...simply means "to love less".
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
John 3:16-17 KJV
God loves us all enough to give his son over to suffering and death taking upon himself our punishment.
“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
1 John 2:1-2
it seems as we learn scripture God has always loved us but mostly we don’t love him sad but seems true
The question that seems apparent from the previous discussions is one of lack of "believing".
By far, most of the world will not take advantage of this love. Most will never believe and out of the handful who do...a good portion of them will believe in the precisely wrong things... trying for a form of self righteousness or license to continue to sin.
But God never was in this for the majority of people. Hard to understand why for most folks. They are always trying to get "more".
yes it seems this is a good parable for. Noting how we respond to hearing the gospel of the kingdom
“Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many:
And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready. And they all with one consent began to make excuse.
The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.
And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.
And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.
So that servant came, and shewed his Lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.
And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room. And the Lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.
For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.”
Luke 14:16-24 KJV
Israel is a good example of what we do we’re so blinded by our life in the world the unseen promises of God go un noticed or devalued so we go on with our lives and make excuses “ we’re busy “ “just too much going on now “ we’d like to but just bought that new property and need to get it going “
but God has invited all into the kingdom only few will Hear and respond to his loving invite into glory eternal
“For many are called, but few are chosen.”
Matthew 22:14
all nations of the world are called
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
but most are going to pass bye on the other side , some even saying I believe as the oss bye and ask to be excused and some will hear the gospel and begin to let in the word of life and truth and will Be compelled to come into the light and have their deeds reproved
what Jesus has offered believers is worth more than any promise made its life beyond the mortality of mankind to live after the body dies in glory and wonder with the lord .
It’s well worth forsaking all to enter into the banquet at the lords table I pray more will respond
This verse here....it's not a question about salvation but one of leadership. He believed enough to become a disciple but he wasn't cut out for a leadership role. That's what Jesus was saying by that. It's one of those Anthropologie thingies. Understanding the terms "called" and "chosen" as a Jewish person would understand them. Easiest way to understand it is their military practices....many men were called to fight and be a part of the military (and they all usually went) but few were chosen to be Generals.