Is this saying there are two Millennium Reigns making the end of this reality soon?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
A

Adstar

Senior Member
#81
Jul 24, 2016
7,585
3,616
113
#81
Absolutely said:
That is easily debunked. The bride is in heaven in rev 19.
Click to expand...
Yes there are Saints in heaven but not ALL Saints, those in white robes in heaven are there for a reason.. As revelation states::

(Revelation 6:9-11) "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: {10} And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? {11} And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

And again::

(Revelation 7:13-14) "And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? {14} And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

These people where killed because they believed Jesus and shared His Gospel..


Apart from that there is a gathering of messianic Jews in rev 14 DURING the gt .
That means your template has the dead in Christ gathered AFTER the jews in rev 14.
Click to expand...
Messianic Jews are Christians they will be caught up at the same time with their fellow gentile Christians..


So no pre-trib rapture..
 
P

pottersclay

Guest
#82
#82
Absolutely said:
the 144 k are firstfruits.
Firstfruit jews.

To say that has nothing to do with harvest is not biblical.

They are in heaven at the start of rev 14. They are there harvested as firstfruits.
That is what firstfruits are.
Harvested first.
We can vividly see see the main harvest a few sentences later with Jesus sitting on a cloud holding A SICKLE.
That is main body of Jews harvested that became born again.
....in the gt.
Jacobs trouble

The gt is jacobs/Israels trouble.

The time of the gentiles completed....then Jacobs trouble
Click to expand...
Yes but that is before Israel is restored....that's what I was referring to.
Sorry you are right ...getting old is a humbling thing😕😕😯
 
P

peldom10

Banned
#83
May 22, 2020
2,382
358
83
#83
Adstar said:
When the second coming of Jesus happens. The living Saints will be caught up to meet Him in the air and the dead Saints will be resurrected and likewise shall be gathered to Jesus as He comes down to defeat the army of the beast at the battle of Armageddon.. Then the Saints shall rule the nations with Jesus for 1000 years.. After the 1000 years then there will be a second resurrection where the final judgement will happen.. If you read the Bible chapters 19 and 20 in the book of Revelation you will discover the chronological order of events..

What will happen after the battle of Armageddon::

Revelation 20:
4"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. {5} But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. {6} Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."
Click to expand...
After the 1000 year Christ reign there will be a 2nd resurrection ...of the lost who was left in the graves at the 1st resurrection, who will be presented at The Great White throne Judgement to justify their records.
I think we are both on the same wave.
 
P

peldom10

Banned
#84
May 22, 2020
2,382
358
83
#84
Adstar said:
Yes there are Saints in heaven but not ALL Saints, those in white robes in heaven are there for a reason.. As revelation states::

(Revelation 6:9-11) "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: {10} And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? {11} And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

And again::

(Revelation 7:13-14) "And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? {14} And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

These people where killed because they believed Jesus and shared His Gospel..
Messianic Jews are Christians they will be caught up at the same time with their fellow gentile Christians..
So no pre-trib rapture..
Click to expand...

Suggest you study scriptures...there is a pre-tribulation rapture.
 
Absolutely

Absolutely

Banned
#85
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
#85
pottersclay said:
Yes but that is before Israel is restored....that's what I was referring to.
Sorry you are right ...getting old is a humbling thing😕😕😯
Click to expand...
I respect and agree with most everything you post.

You are an asset to the board
 
Absolutely

Absolutely

Banned
#86
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
#86
Adstar said:
Yes there are Saints in heaven but not ALL Saints, those in white robes in heaven are there for a reason.. As revelation states::

(Revelation 6:9-11) "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: {10} And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? {11} And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

And again::

(Revelation 7:13-14) "And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? {14} And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

These people where killed because they believed Jesus and shared His Gospel..




Messianic Jews are Christians they will be caught up at the same time with their fellow gentile Christians..


So no pre-trib rapture..
Click to expand...
..and yet the word of God goes to great lengths to show who the 144k are and declares them firstfruits.

They can not be first fruits unless they PRECEDE MAIN HARVEST.

Keep all verses on the table.
 
Absolutely

Absolutely

Banned
#87
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
#87
Adstar said:
Yes there are Saints in heaven but not ALL Saints, those in white robes in heaven are there for a reason.. As revelation states::

(Revelation 6:9-11) "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: {10} And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? {11} And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

And again::

(Revelation 7:13-14) "And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? {14} And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

These people where killed because they believed Jesus and shared His Gospel..




Messianic Jews are Christians they will be caught up at the same time with their fellow gentile Christians..


So no pre-trib rapture..
Click to expand...
..and yet the word of God goes to great lengths to show who the 144k are and declares the firstfruits.

They can not be first fruits unless theY PRECEDE MAIN HARVEST.

Keep all verses on the table
 
A

Adstar

Senior Member
#89
Jul 24, 2016
7,585
3,616
113
#89
peldom10 said:
Suggest you study scriptures...there is a pre-tribulation rapture.
Click to expand...
Yes i have studies scriptures and the rapture clearly happens at the last trumpet.. And that trumpet blast is the 7th in the book of Revelation and it is the same trumpet blast in Matthew 24 that is sounded upon the second coming of the LORD Jesus Christ..

1 Corinthians 15:
50"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. {51} Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, {52} In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

Revelation 10:
7 "But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."

Matthew 24:
29 "¶ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: {30} And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. {31} And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
 
A

Adstar

Senior Member
#90
Jul 24, 2016
7,585
3,616
113
#90
Absolutely said:
..and yet the word of God goes to great lengths to show who the 144k are and declares the firstfruits.

They can not be first fruits unless theY PRECEDE MAIN HARVEST.

Keep all verses on the table
Click to expand...
I have no problem with the 144,000 Jewish innocents that will be protected and preserved through the great tribulation.. God promised Abraham that his decendants would inherit the promised land and they shall.. No not the promised land of Israel.. The promised land God promised Abraham was far larger then the one He allowed the Hebrews to dwell in after taking them out of Egypt..

Genesis 15:
18 "In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:"

So the promised land is all the land from the nile river in Egypt to the Euphrates in current day Iraq..
 
You must log in or register to reply here.