Vaccination?

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If a Christian gets vaccinated for the covid Is this a lack of faith?

  • Getting the vaccination means the Christian lacks faith.

  • Getting the vaccination demonstrates love thy neighbor.

  • Other,I will explain.


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eternally-gratefull

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I WILL DO IT FOR YOU!!

We know first batch ended around may/june 2021
What was death rate vaccines at in june 2021 = And only about 150 of the more than 18,000 COVID-19 deaths in May were in fully vaccinated people. That translates to about 0.8%, or five deaths per day on average.

Death Rate Since then =
30% of those who have died from COVID-related illnesses, between Sept. 1 and Oct.15, were fully vaccinated.

In all, 649 people died in that time frame, which means, according to MDH, that 195 of those deaths were people who received the vaccine.


First Batch left on Average 0.8% deaths

2nd Batch left on Average 30% deaths

That is a 30000% INCREASE on average in DEATHS!!
WHERE DID YOU GET THIS INFO?

How many times do I have to ask?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I told you, SOFERS did, like they have been doing for past 5,000 years!!
I do not know anyone who lived for 5000 years. And was the English language even in existence then?
once again
who translated your text to you?
 
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WHERE DID YOU GET THIS INFO?

How many times do I have to ask?

I said, let's USE what CDC Reported in May, 2021 and October 2021 and see if the Month's AVERAGES changed because the First Vax Doses Ended and the Second Batch is being Administered now. And since the New Batch ENDED, 30% INCREASE in Covid related Deaths have Occurred in the 2nd Batch!!
 
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I do not know anyone who lived for 5000 years. And was the English language even in existence then?
once again
who translated your text to you?
You're talking in Circles like you just crawled out from underneath a rock.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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eternally-gratefull ,

What belief System?

If after Christ Died, there was no need for Jews to continue Daily Sacrifice, it's because Daily Sacrifice literally ENDED on the CROSS!!
Jews did not continue daily sacrifice during daniels time. Why do you keep ignoring this fact. I thought you were going off facts?

Again, where is the word "NEED" in the prophecies?

A prophetic word is telling what literally happens in the future.

When it states. Sacrifice will cease. It means sacrifice literally ceases. We have three examples in history from the time of Daniel..

1. It did that when Babylon destroyed the temple
2. It did that when antiochus epiphanes commited an abomination which caused desolation by slaughtering a pic in the holy place. And 3. it did again in 70 AD when ROME destroyed the temple.

so unless you can show me the word "NEED" i must go with historical precedence.
 
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I said, let's USE what CDC Reported in May, 2021 and October 2021 and see if the Month's AVERAGES changed because the First Vax Doses Ended and the Second Batch is being Administered now. And since the New Batch ENDED, 30% INCREASE in Covid related Deaths have Occurred in the 2nd Batch!!
ok..

so we are going to use a government source.

can you show me were I can find that info?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You're talking in Circles like you just crawled out from underneath a rock.
Nope

I asked you who translated Dan 8 into english for you.

You stated that the same people that have been translating for the lat 500 years.

if you can not understand how ridiculous that sounds. how can I help you?
 

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a few thoughts

1. The man shot at the people WHILE they were mowing and cutting the hedges. not after they stopped
2. once this happened. The man had no, one to blame but himself.
3. I saw one shot where the hedges did look overgrown. it looked prety nasty.

This looks like an upper end neighborhood. I could easily see this happen (the warrant)

while I agree this probaby never should have happened. We can't renew the responsibility of a man who shot at workers. police and set his house on fire. then commited suicide by Cop

lol, I wasn't actually focused on (if),,, he shot at them or not because the officer in the video(the one when it's getting dark) said that they(the investigators) were not clear/sure if the man shot "in the ground,the air or if the ammo was set off by the fire" (they don't know if he shot at them). The just though is that mandates in Texas have existed for years until you have one county or city mandating everything from tree size to the color you can paint the outside(Home owners Associations). This is an evolving problem for instance where I live(big thicket) in that we moved to the woods to "live in the county" but as time elapsed they have ordinances where I live to do any remodeling(roof,porch,doors,water heater ect. all have to have a "permit",,be done be a licensed and bonded contractor, (you cant hire a helper and do it yourself) and it has to be inspected before and after. Things like trees cant be over 8 inches around to cut them down(have to be smaller or dangerous to cut them down). I could go on and on but it's sharia law in Texas where each HOA or city/county can pass any ordinance they want and require any mandate they like regardless of the restrictions at the time it was purchased.
 
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lol, I wasn't actually focused on (if),,, he shot at them or not because the officer in the video(the one when it's getting dark) said that they(the investigators) were not clear/sure if the man shot "in the ground,the air or if the ammo was set off by the fire" (they don't know if he shot at them). The just though is that mandates in Texas have existed for years until you have one county or city mandating everything from tree size to the color you can paint the outside(Home owners Associations). This is an evolving problem for instance where I live(big thicket) in that we moved to the woods to "live in the county" but as time elapsed they have ordinances where I live to do any remodeling(roof,porch,doors,water heater ect. all have to have a "permit",,be done be a licensed and bonded contractor, (you cant hire a helper and do it yourself) and it has to be inspected before and after. Things like trees cant be over 8 inches around to cut them down(have to be smaller or dangerous to cut them down). I could go on and on but it's sharia law in Texas where each HOA or city/county can pass any ordinance they want and require any mandate they like regardless of the restrictions at the time it was purchased.
they have this in ohio also

My suggestion is if people do not like it move.

I disagree with it, and chose not to purchase a house because of it. But if everyone living there agrees. Then not much I can say
 

iamsoandso

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....boil the frog slowly. Ever so slowly.

One law at a time....untill they get what they want.

Freedom is work.
Freedom has a huge price


Blood spills.
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Always know this fact....gov will ALWAYS PROGRESS TOWARD CORRUPTION.

POWER CORRUPTS

ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY.

Yep Texas is full of abandoned boats and outboard motors because lobbyist talked them into requiring titles in the 90's,,,So here I set with a bass boat,five outboards that I cannot sell or put in the water because I bought them between 1947 and 1971(pre title) because they didn't issue titles on them then... lol,,"hey I got an idea lets tell them they cant use the boats and motors they already have and then they have to buy our new ones"...
 

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It's all part of a master plan. Get people so fed up with the sins of the left, that they blindly flock to the right and accept the deceptions there that lead them away from God's truth.

Over the years I cant see any difference in left or right it's to me as if they "sit at one table and tell lies" like in Daniel.
 

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they have this in ohio also

My suggestion is if people do not like it move.

I disagree with it, and chose not to purchase a house because of it. But if everyone living there agrees. Then not much I can say
me too,,the problem is though I live in the woods(big thicket) so there's no more places to move to get away from it anymore.
 
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me too,,the problem is though I live in the woods(big thicket) so there's no more places to move to get away from it anymore.
sadly that is what we are comming to

It is a me first society.

Thats what happens when we take God out
 
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Does the vaccine provide better Immunity than natural Immunity?


COVID-19 natural immunity versus vaccination

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Home Coronavirus (COVID-19) COVID-19 natural immunity versus vaccination
Published September 20, 2021

If you've had COVID-19 before, does your natural immunity work better than a vaccine?
The data is clear: Natural immunity is not better. The COVID-19 vaccines create more effective and longer-lasting immunity than natural immunity from infection.
  • More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies
  • Natural immunity fades faster than vaccine immunity
  • Natural immunity alone is less than half as effective than natural immunity plus vaccination
The takeaway: Get vaccinated, even if you've had COVID-19. Vaccine immunity is stronger than natural immunity.
"Natural immunity can be spotty. Some people can react vigorously and get a great antibody response. Other people don't get such a great response," says infectious diseases expert Mark Rupp, MD. "Clearly, vaccine-induced immunity is more standardized and can be longer-lasting."
A third of infections don't get any protective antibodies
Some people who get COVID-19 receive no protection from reinfection – their natural immunity is nonexistent. A recent study found that 36% of COVID-19 cases didn't result in development of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies. The people had different levels of illness – most had moderate disease, but some were asymptomatic and some experienced severe COVID-19.
"Vaccine-induced immunity is more predictable than natural immunity," says Dr. Rupp. The COVID-19 vaccines provide great protection from severe disease, hospitalization and death.
Natural immunity fades more quickly than vaccine immunity
Natural immunity can decay within about 90 days. Immunity from COVID-19 vaccines has been shown to last longer. Both Pfizer and Moderna reported strong vaccine protection for at least six months.
Studies are ongoing to evaluate the full duration of protective immunity, including the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.
Real-world studies also indicate natural immunity's short life. For example, 65% of people with a lower baseline antibody from infection to begin with completely lost their COVID-19 antibodies by 60 days.
What about that Israeli study suggesting natural immunity is stronger? Infectious diseases expert James Lawler, MD, MPH, FIDSA, carefully evaluates the study design of the retrospective Maccabi Health System study in his Aug. 31 briefing. In the briefing, he identifies two concerning sources of error that were not corrected for: survivorship bias and selection bias.
Natural immunity alone is weak
One study compared natural immunity alone to natural immunity plus vaccination. They found that, after infection, unvaccinated people are 2.34 times likelier to get COVID-19 again, compared to fully vaccinated people. So vaccinated people (after infection) have half the risk of reinfection than people relying on natural immunity alone.
"Studies show that the vaccine gives a very good booster response if you've had COVID-19 before," says Dr. Rupp.
Furthermore, there is no country on the globe in which natural infection and natural immunity has brought the pandemic under control. In countries like Iran or Brazil very high levels of natural infection have not prevented recurrent waves of infection.
How soon after COVID-19 to get vaccinated
How soon is too soon to get vaccinated after you're sick with COVID-19? If you're no longer sick and out of isolation, you should get vaccinated.
We recommend that people with post-COVID syndrome (long haulers) should get the vaccine as well. There are some reports of people with post-COVID syndrome experiencing marked improvement in symptoms following vaccination.
Are vaccine adverse reactions more common after infection?
Those with prior infection tend to have more systemic (and short-lived) side effects after vaccination. One study shows that the likelihood of fatigue, headache, chills and other systemic side effects increases for people who have had COVID-19 infection in the past. These side effects show that the vaccine is working and resolve in a day or two days.
There's nothing to suggest that people who have had COVID-19 before are at greater risk for more serious adverse events. Serious adverse events after COVID-19 vaccination remain extraordinarily rare. You are much, much more likely to have an adverse reaction to COVID-19 (the disease) like hospitalization or death than you are from any of the COVID-19 vaccines.
Schedule your COVID-19 vaccine
The Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine recently received full FDA approval. Get vaccinated today.
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Acts 5:29
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29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men
Joab refused correctly thr kings orders to number benjamin and judah.
It was an abomination to joab.

We read that God was also upset at David

The hebrew midwives refused pharoahs orders to destroy the male newborns.

God gave us the Holy Spirit to have power over men no matter what level of leadership.

The ac is a gov leader.

Anyone here gonna wimp out on that realm also????

I hope not.
Do not obey.

Communist countries have laws against meetings.

The underground church is correctly disobeying as we speak.
Aren't you obeying GOD when you obey those that minister FOR what GOD said?

Romans 13:2-5
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2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to [execute] wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5 Wherefore [ye] must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
 
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SHOULD WE OBEY CORRUPT LEADERS UNDER THE FOUNDING DOCUMENTS?

D. OF INDEPENDANCE SAYS NO!

.....all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Of course you shouldn't obey corruption regardless of whether It be Obama,Trump or Biden,but In our system of government In the United States their are all kinds of people that vote, that put those who would be In power IN power, and Infringing on someone rights to some means taking a freedom from someone else that feels their rights are being Infringed upon.
 
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