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[gb9]

You are lacking in knowledge and understanding if you are disagreeing with what I have said in posts above.

Know that heresies are a work of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-21) and that therefore, your flesh might lead you to believe things that are not in agreement with the scriptures as a whole.

I read through all of the epistles once per week and through the gospels, Acts and Revelation once per month, and through the rest of the Bible at a slower rate.

So, I am always brushing up on doctrinal issues since the epistles primarily have to do with doctrine and theological issues.

as much as i disagree with you, that is a good reading plan.

 

[justbyfaith]

i do it own my own.

i have read the Bible from cover to cover about 20 times.
i know what IT says . i know what IT does not say.

And I think that you have also entirely missed my point.

 

[justbyfaith]

And I think that you have also entirely missed my point.

I would suggest that you read the entire Bible tonight so that you can get the message of the gospel in its whole context.

Because obviously, if anyone actually quotes from the Bible, they must be a false teacher.

 

[gb9]

And I think that you have also entirely missed my point.

i know your point.

you are saying in a roundabout way " if you are disagreeing with me, then you are disagreeing with Scripture"


your point is, if i was reading It correctly, i would agree with you.

so says every man-made religious person

 

[justbyfaith]

i know your point.

you are saying in a roundabout way " if you are disagreeing with me, then you are disagreeing with Scripture"


your point is, if i was reading It correctly, i would agree with you.

so says every man-made religious person

My point was that quoting scriptures doesn't make anyone a false teacher.

That should be obvious.

Because, otherwise, anyone who even tries to teach someone from the holy scriptures would automatically be false.

Thus, your point of view condemns as false anyone who relates doctrine from the word of God.

And therefore, the only teachers who are true would be those who forsake the Bible for their own thinking.

Surely, you can see how foolish, such a thing, is.

 

[gb9]

My point was that quoting scriptures doesn't make anyone a false teacher.

That should be obvious.

Because, otherwise, anyone who even tries to teach someone from the holy scriptures would automatically be false.

Thus, your point of view condemns as false anyone who relates doctrine from the word of God.

And therefore, the only teachers who are true would be those who forsake the Bible for their own thinking.

Surely, you can see how foolish, such a thing, is.

doctrine is only true if context and word definition is applied.
just jumping around from verse to verse is invalid.

there are over 33,000 verses in the Bible.

one can mix and match and make it seem the Bible says anything they say it says.

just like you and any other false teachers do.

 

[justbyfaith]

doctrine is only true if context and word definition is applied.
just jumping around from verse to verse is invalid.

there are over 33,000 verses in the Bible.

one can mix and match and make it seem the Bible says anything they say it says.

just like you and any other false teachers do.

No; because there is a hermeneutic that is given in 1 Corinthians 2:13 (kjv) that applies so that topical context is important.

And immediate context is not always king.

For example, in Matthew 2:15, Matthew, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, takes Hosea 11:1 out of its orginal context and applies "out of Egypt I called my son" to Jesus; when in the original context it was speaking of Israel.

And in 2 Corinthians 9:6, if you take it in its immediate context, it substantiates a name it and claim it, health / wealth, prosperity, word of faith doctrine in that it teaches that we can reap finances when we sow financial seeds. Whereas, if you apply the hermeneutic of 1 Corinthians 2:13 (kjv) and apply Luke 8:11 to 2 Corinthians 9:6, you may get a more orthodox interpretation.

And also, John 19:37 applies to the crucifixion a scripture that originally is more applicable to the 2nd coming (Zechariah 12:10).

 

[SophieT]

I beg to differ.

It is a platform for quite a few here who have a gift of teaching.

you do not have the gift of teaching

you have the gift (which is really not a gift) of confusing interpretations

I can say I have the gift of discernment then, in order to say the above and who are you to say otherwise

see how that goes?

smh

 

[SophieT]

You are so right to correct me about posts that have addressed this problem. They are all valuable.

As for each of us personally handling the problem, that is quite a complicated subject.

I took in a woman diagnosed as bipolar, it was beyond my ability to handle. I think there is a possibility it was possession by demons rather than a physical impairment, I simply do not know.

She had grown up with a terrible fear that God would take her parents away in the rapture and she would be left alone. Each night she had a hard time sleeping, and would go check to see if her parents were still there. As an adult she said she was a Christian, but her explanations were more like understanding the power of the occult than knowing Christ as her savior. She had tantrums if I gave my attention to scripture instead of to her. I had her removed from my home as the only thing I was able to do to handle the situation.

Possession by demons happens when someone accepts sin as right for them. To see God as wanting evil for us seems a terrible way for a child to grow up.

well I found this thread received the typical responses this subject usually gets, that's all. it is true that sometimes there can be a demonic element when it comes to illnesses...we see this in scripture in some cases...but, as it seems you know, it is harmful to treat a person with an illness as though it was demonic...people have been killed that way.

what you describe regarding fear though, is a doorway for demons...they live off fear....my personal belief and understanding, is that if a person is not equipped to handle a situation, they should not handle it. in fact, it is always best to have at least 2 people in most situations. I also believe this is a truth battle and not a power battle. the devil is already defeated.

again though, please understand that the way the word possession is handled in many if not most cases, is not correct. the proper understanding, biblical understanding, is that the person possesses..or has the demon and not the other way around

I can refer you to teaching by Derek Prince for a better understanding on that.

we live in a fallen world and in Ephesians we learn that the devil works in this world, but we have the armor provided by God

 

[SophieT]

so, now you jump to another verse to try to prove your non-existing point .

you see, one cannot take clips of what Jesus said and go " see, look here"

this is why you are false teacher. you attempt tp isolate verses and build theology around them.

you take the Gospel's as a whole, not chop them up into pieces.

the methodology being used is an art form in itself

some of us would not dream of interpreting scripture in that way to try and get a proper understanding

but with false interpretations, this is beyond common.

you shall know them by their 'chopping' of scripture . it's cultish IMO

 

[SophieT]

My point was that quoting scriptures doesn't make anyone a false teacher.

That should be obvious.

Because, otherwise, anyone who even tries to teach someone from the holy scriptures would automatically be false.

Thus, your point of view condemns as false anyone who relates doctrine from the word of God.

And therefore, the only teachers who are true would be those who forsake the Bible for their own thinking.

Surely, you can see how foolish, such a thing, is.

a striking similarity to scrambled eggs

it is just nonsense to claim that if a person quotes scripture they must therefore be correct

apart from the fact that would make just about everyone here always correct (didn't see that did you), it is demonstrably false that there are MANY false teachers spouting scripture like old faithful spouts water. I am not sure you will understand that either because I am coming to the conclusion, which is somewhat in your defense, that you have parted ways with sound understanding, either through accepting error or just plain being physically incapable of more.

you make an equivocation with truth and quoting Bible verses that is only apparent to those who do the same

and the obvious thing is you are also saying others with whom you disagree are therefore correct because they quote or teach from scripture

in your haste to be seen as ALWAYS right, you have shot yourself in the foot

but I don't think you can see how foolish your response is

you can only make matters worse by responding, but I am 99% positive you will give it a try anyway

therefore, the only teachers who are true would be those who forsake the Bible for their own thinking.

another silly and false statement. your logic is not flawed. it is non-existent

 

[oyster67]

Christians override the will of God in their lives often enough and go outside the protection

As we see, the answer may depend on what and who you consider to be a Christian as well as how and what you consider to be a curse.

 

[oyster67]

a striking similarity to scrambled eggs

Very astute observation, my dear SophieT.

 

[Blik]

well I found this thread received the typical responses this subject usually gets, that's all. it is true that sometimes there can be a demonic element when it comes to illnesses...we see this in scripture in some cases...but, as it seems you know, it is harmful to treat a person with an illness as though it was demonic...people have been killed that way.

what you describe regarding fear though, is a doorway for demons...they live off fear....my personal belief and understanding, is that if a person is not equipped to handle a situation, they should not handle it. in fact, it is always best to have at least 2 people in most situations. I also believe this is a truth battle and not a power battle. the devil is already defeated.

again though, please understand that the way the word possession is handled in many if not most cases, is not correct. the proper understanding, biblical understanding, is that the person possesses..or has the demon and not the other way around

I can refer you to teaching by Derek Prince for a better understanding on that.

we live in a fallen world and in Ephesians we learn that the devil works in this world, but we have the armor provided by God

I think you need more information about this subject in order to make conclusions that are correct.

First, whether demons are involved in illness is a completely different subject. We are discussing occult activity that people have chosen.

Next, if you will study what exorcists have learned, demons possess people who have accepted some sins as OK in their life. Fear has nothing to do with this.

An expert who has worked with this says the problem needs experts to determine whether a person is physically ill or has a demon. It is not something you or I can determine about a person, we are not doctors.

To rid a person of a demon is no walk in the park. Christ said some take prayer and fasting to get rid of some. Mark 9:29 So He said to them, “This kind can come out by nothing but prayer and fasting.”

 

[Gardenias]

No demon from hell,nor any power from black magic in league with Satan can CROSS THE BLOODLINE OF JESUS!
Satan however can ASK GOD'S PERMISSION TO TEST OUR FAITHFULNESS!
Illness is sometimes BC of sin in our life as a form of chaistisment .
NEVER can a true believer be possessed by Satan nor a demon!

Scripture says TO RESIST THE DEVIL and he will FLEE from you!
I'm safe standing in and on the word of God!

 

[Blik]

No demon from hell,nor any power from black magic in league with Satan can CROSS THE BLOODLINE OF JESUS!
Satan however can ASK GOD'S PERMISSION TO TEST OUR FAITHFULNESS!
Illness is sometimes BC of sin in our life as a form of chaistisment .
NEVER can a true believer be possessed by Satan nor a demon!

Scripture says TO RESIST THE DEVIL and he will FLEE from you!
I'm safe standing in and on the word of God!

We are safe, I agree, The occult relates to sin by accepting it, we relate to sin by repentance, Christ washes us clean.

Shouldn't we then as members of the church that Christ established, offer help to those who have accepted sin in their life to the extent that demons possess them?

 

[justbyfaith]

you do not have the gift of teaching

you have the gift (which is really not a gift) of confusing interpretations

I can say I have the gift of discernment then, in order to say the above and who are you to say otherwise

see how that goes?

smh

Has it been prophesied over you that you have the gift of discernment?

It has been prophesied over me that I have the gifts both of teaching and word of wisdom.

And I am commanded to wage the good warfare using the prophecies that have been laid over me.

I think that the reality is that my teaching convicts you and that is why you are inclined to reject it.

 

[justbyfaith]

it is just nonsense to claim that if a person quotes scripture they must therefore be correct

And of course, that is not my claim. My claim was that they are not incorrect simply because they quote scripture.

And of course, the scripture is always correct, so if the scripture quoted substantiates the claim, then the claim would therefore be correct.

 

[justbyfaith]

I am not sure you will understand that either because I am coming to the conclusion, which is somewhat in your defense, that you have parted ways with sound understanding, either through accepting error or just plain being physically incapable of more.

You are convicted by my teaching and your only recourse, in order to fend off the conviction of the Holy Spirit, is to reject my posts as being in error.

 

[justbyfaith]

and the obvious thing is you are also saying others with whom you disagree are therefore correct because they quote or teach from scripture

If the claim that they are making is truly substantiated by holy scripture, then I do not disagree with them.