THE RAPTURE/END OF DAYS
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You quoted Matthew 24:31 which says that after the tribulation, Angels Gather in heaven not earth and the Gathering is done by Angels not Jesus . So that cannot be the rapture
Rev 14 has a gathering during the trib.
You just provided verses that declare the dead rise before the living.
If you are holding to that, you just revealed that there is no dead Rising after the trib because they would be rising after the living so evidently post trib workbook has it backwards.
But keep believing noah was gathered after the flood.
Because Jesus framed the rapture as being Before the Flood.
no such Gathering, no such Deliverance ,After the flood.
Rev 14 has a gathering during the trib.
You just provided verses that declare the dead rise before the living.
If you are holding to that, you just revealed that there is no dead Rising after the trib because they would be rising after the living so evidently post trib workbook has it backwards.
But keep believing noah was gathered after the flood.
Because Jesus framed the rapture as being Before the Flood.
no such Gathering, no such Deliverance ,After the flood.
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tell it to Jesus.
He established the worthy vs unworthy dynamic
Read the 7 letters in rev.
We see Jesus reward the worthy ones what? 4 or 5 times?
Then Jesus himself said " pray that you may be counted worthy to escape the things that are about to come"
Worthy vs unworthy. An ancient truth i am teaching you.
Why do you followvthat doctrine i am chewing up and easily defeating???
You are correct on other things.
But will not honestly reason out obviousbRapture verses
He established the worthy vs unworthy dynamic
Read the 7 letters in rev.
We see Jesus reward the worthy ones what? 4 or 5 times?
Then Jesus himself said " pray that you may be counted worthy to escape the things that are about to come"
Worthy vs unworthy. An ancient truth i am teaching you.
Why do you followvthat doctrine i am chewing up and easily defeating???
You are correct on other things.
But will not honestly reason out obviousbRapture verses
Once again, the pre-trib error is exposed and falls short of the Glory of God.
None of His Saints are 'Left Behind' - not one.
Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Not one of His Saints will be left behind.
The error of pre-trib is a cancer that continues to eat away at 'sound doctrine' inside the hearts and minds of those who embrace it.
Vain babblings over words = harvests, left behind, and more.
Not once has pre-trib ever found in Scripture and not once will you ever find 'Left Behind Saints' who missed His Coming.
You do not understand Matthew 25:1-13
When do these 'second chance' tribulation saints get resurrected???
None of His Saints are 'Left Behind' - not one.
Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Not one of His Saints will be left behind.
The error of pre-trib is a cancer that continues to eat away at 'sound doctrine' inside the hearts and minds of those who embrace it.
Vain babblings over words = harvests, left behind, and more.
Not once has pre-trib ever found in Scripture and not once will you ever find 'Left Behind Saints' who missed His Coming.
You do not understand Matthew 25:1-13
When do these 'second chance' tribulation saints get resurrected???
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Unlike some here I will look at your view on the scriptures. I will get back to you if I am indeed in error.
And also if I am not.
Pre trib seems more likely since we are not appointed to wrath. The man of sin cannot be revealed untill that which is restraining is removed. Both of theses are key to pre trib.
So I guess the best place to start would be to see where the wrath begins.
But keep in mind saint the rapture is not the second coming. As I posted earlier it happens so fast as paul says " in a twinkling of a eye" all that anyone sees are the results ....the missing.
The second coming is every eye shall see our great Lord and savior who comes with his bride.
I praise God and thank him that you believe a rapture will take place as some do not.
Now let's work on the timing..... Jesus said....work while it is still day for darkness is coming when no man can work. When is that time??
And also if I am not.
Pre trib seems more likely since we are not appointed to wrath. The man of sin cannot be revealed untill that which is restraining is removed. Both of theses are key to pre trib.
So I guess the best place to start would be to see where the wrath begins.
But keep in mind saint the rapture is not the second coming. As I posted earlier it happens so fast as paul says " in a twinkling of a eye" all that anyone sees are the results ....the missing.
The second coming is every eye shall see our great Lord and savior who comes with his bride.
I praise God and thank him that you believe a rapture will take place as some do not.
Now let's work on the timing..... Jesus said....work while it is still day for darkness is coming when no man can work. When is that time??
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The parable of the `10 virgins` has to do with Israel. The Body of Christ was not known at that time and the Lord was reminding Israel of the promises of God to them.
`Now I say that Jesus Christ has become a servant to the circumcision for the truth of God, TO CONFIRM THE PROMISES MADE TO THE FATHERS.` (Rom. 15: 8)
`Now I say that Jesus Christ has become a servant to the circumcision for the truth of God, TO CONFIRM THE PROMISES MADE TO THE FATHERS.` (Rom. 15: 8)
PROVE IT - PROVE that they are 'second chance saints'
Because i tell you this Brother - this is a complete lie.
Now PROVE IT where the Scripture says:
#1 'pre-trib rapture'
#2 rapture before His Coming
#3 'left behind' saints = Saints now = saved, blood washed, born-again saints
#4 another Gospel for the 'left behind saints
Because i tell you this Brother - this is a complete lie.
Now PROVE IT where the Scripture says:
#1 'pre-trib rapture'
#2 rapture before His Coming
#3 'left behind' saints = Saints now = saved, blood washed, born-again saints
#4 another Gospel for the 'left behind saints
That's not 100 percent correct. We are not subject to wrath of Gdo but we are subject to wrath of satan if living at time of these scriptures:
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
That war is GT in which church will be persecuted and many will be killed as seen in REV 13.
The rapture happens at the second coming according to scriptures posted in my other post.
No, the twinkling of an eye is related to how fast the living are changed into immortals. It is not related to the rapture although rapture occurs soon after that bodily change.
That happens moments after the rapture.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
That war is GT in which church will be persecuted and many will be killed as seen in REV 13.
The rapture happens at the second coming according to scriptures posted in my other post.
No, the twinkling of an eye is related to how fast the living are changed into immortals. It is not related to the rapture although rapture occurs soon after that bodily change.
That happens moments after the rapture.
Those who are in the trib, and turn to God are looking for the rule of the Messiah through Israel, the good news of the coming kingdom rule of Christ through Israel, as promised.
God`s word is NOT all about US but about the Lord and HIS purposes for the Body of Christ, for Israel and for the nations.
God`s word is NOT all about US but about the Lord and HIS purposes for the Body of Christ, for Israel and for the nations.
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