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What I still don't get about it all, is why you joined a thread to trash "nice guys" because this last speech of yours seems to go more after behaviour associated with "bad boys" than people who are "too nice." I mean overall you seem to have a LOT of issues. Women hate you, men hate you, you claim you tell things straight and then refused to. You strike me as being a super drama queen and please when I say that understand this allegation is thrown straight at YOU as I find most women much more relaxed and calm than you.
I guess my last thought is the way you seem so angry at your body, seem to have some issues with Christians and accuse me of being (oh, the awful liberal slur word) "close minded" (not sure how) you have me suspecting that you suffer from transgender issues and wish that you actually were a man. If I am wrong and you are actually a woman looking for a man, I give you this unsolicitated advise... you might want to stop accusing men of "being nice" to suck up to you, because your apparent rating as the ultimate femmo boardroom nazi probably means they actually just suck up out of pure and simple FEAR.
J
I think both genders do get caught up in stereotyping. Some of it we bring upon ourselves, some we don't. We're clearly different and I celebrate it.
I, too, have worked in a "man's world" all of my life. The truth of it is that we have to work twice as hard to earn their respect. Fair, no? But, why? Because SOME women DO use their feminine wiles in the workplace to get what they want and it makes it tough on the rest of us. There are also men who will never see women as anything more than toys, but most guys are not like that.
I remember going for a job interview for a part time job while I was in college and the eyes of the guy interviewing me never made it up to my face. I couldn't wait to leave and never went back.
Yes, we have curves. And, let's be totally honest here. There are times when we DO want them to be noticed by someone we are attracted to, just as men like certain of their attributes to shine forth when they are doing the peacock thing. But, the workplace is not the place for that. That's why allforfun wears suits and it's the reason I do too. It's a way of saying "I'm here to be serious and do my job and I'm not here to be oogled". When we go out with a gentleman, we will wear something softer that shows our femininity. There's a time and place for everything. Guys may say they don't do the same, but I don't know of many guys who wear the same sweaty t-shirt, jeans and dirty work boots out on a date that they wear to work.
I'm not a man. I don't want to be. I'm NOT a feminist. I'm a woman. A godly woman. I'm a strong woman. I'm not a stupid woman. What I've learned is that, for the most part, I will be treated by men according to the way I present myself to them. I learned quickly to keep my mouth shut, my eyes open and to do my job twice as well as they did. That's a good thing to know whether you are male or female.
There will always been guys out there who make you feel as though you need to go home and take a shower to get the leer off. There are also WOMEN who are just as crude to men and objectify them just as much. MOST of us are just kidding about stuff like that, but some are not.
I, too, have worked in a "man's world" all of my life. The truth of it is that we have to work twice as hard to earn their respect. Fair, no? But, why? Because SOME women DO use their feminine wiles in the workplace to get what they want and it makes it tough on the rest of us. There are also men who will never see women as anything more than toys, but most guys are not like that.
I remember going for a job interview for a part time job while I was in college and the eyes of the guy interviewing me never made it up to my face. I couldn't wait to leave and never went back.
Yes, we have curves. And, let's be totally honest here. There are times when we DO want them to be noticed by someone we are attracted to, just as men like certain of their attributes to shine forth when they are doing the peacock thing. But, the workplace is not the place for that. That's why allforfun wears suits and it's the reason I do too. It's a way of saying "I'm here to be serious and do my job and I'm not here to be oogled". When we go out with a gentleman, we will wear something softer that shows our femininity. There's a time and place for everything. Guys may say they don't do the same, but I don't know of many guys who wear the same sweaty t-shirt, jeans and dirty work boots out on a date that they wear to work.
I'm not a man. I don't want to be. I'm NOT a feminist. I'm a woman. A godly woman. I'm a strong woman. I'm not a stupid woman. What I've learned is that, for the most part, I will be treated by men according to the way I present myself to them. I learned quickly to keep my mouth shut, my eyes open and to do my job twice as well as they did. That's a good thing to know whether you are male or female.
There will always been guys out there who make you feel as though you need to go home and take a shower to get the leer off. There are also WOMEN who are just as crude to men and objectify them just as much. MOST of us are just kidding about stuff like that, but some are not.
J
I have to admit that playing ANY sport is far more interesting than watching it, but I am a total baseball fan. 
HUGE deal in my family. Most of my childhood was spent in Europe and basketball and football weren't played much there, but baseball was. As girls, we played more volleyball, soccer, field hockey, swimming and gymnastics.
I would probably enjoy watching football more if I knew more about it. Liamson's post a few weeks back was helpful. I don't watch many games on tv, but I have been to several Colts and Dolphins games that were a lot of fun.
Nuke, if I get a bite of your Dagwood sandwich, you can stay
HUGE deal in my family. Most of my childhood was spent in Europe and basketball and football weren't played much there, but baseball was. As girls, we played more volleyball, soccer, field hockey, swimming and gymnastics.I would probably enjoy watching football more if I knew more about it. Liamson's post a few weeks back was helpful. I don't watch many games on tv, but I have been to several Colts and Dolphins games that were a lot of fun.
Nuke, if I get a bite of your Dagwood sandwich, you can stay
lol... and I guess we'd call you a bit of a coward for not touching the "white guys finish last" comments... even though apparently they upset you.
I've learnt long ago to completely ignore the politically correct crowd and to not try to censor myself in the least for their benefit. I'll take "troll" as a compliemnt, however, I do think my points are fair. We have at least two threads on this chat site saying that "bad boys" are preferred to "nice guys." That was NOT me, but WOMEN who voiced that. So questions..... why is that? And what exactly then are the behaviours of these oh so exciting "bad boys"? To me, allforfun's despised behaviour is the most simple and obvious trait of "badboys." LOOKING where opportunity presents itself rather than pretending not to notice like the "niceguys"would.
I've had this discussion before, and apparently after telling how exciting "badboys" are, women seem to refuse to fully describe what the actual behaviour is. In other cases, I found out that they were basically just speaking in code and really just meant "BLACK guys are cool." Which to me strikes me as pathetic because where I live it is simply the case that black guys are allowed to behave in manners that white guys are instantly in trouble for. That's just another sick joke of multiculturalism.
I find it all very interesting that in a time where I can be thrown out of school, fired, etc. for a CASUAL glance to some woman that might be a little hyper sensitive, the MAJORITY of WOMEN are saying "we want guys who have even worse behaviour! Its exciting to us!"
I've learnt long ago to completely ignore the politically correct crowd and to not try to censor myself in the least for their benefit. I'll take "troll" as a compliemnt, however, I do think my points are fair. We have at least two threads on this chat site saying that "bad boys" are preferred to "nice guys." That was NOT me, but WOMEN who voiced that. So questions..... why is that? And what exactly then are the behaviours of these oh so exciting "bad boys"? To me, allforfun's despised behaviour is the most simple and obvious trait of "badboys." LOOKING where opportunity presents itself rather than pretending not to notice like the "niceguys"would.
I've had this discussion before, and apparently after telling how exciting "badboys" are, women seem to refuse to fully describe what the actual behaviour is. In other cases, I found out that they were basically just speaking in code and really just meant "BLACK guys are cool." Which to me strikes me as pathetic because where I live it is simply the case that black guys are allowed to behave in manners that white guys are instantly in trouble for. That's just another sick joke of multiculturalism.
I find it all very interesting that in a time where I can be thrown out of school, fired, etc. for a CASUAL glance to some woman that might be a little hyper sensitive, the MAJORITY of WOMEN are saying "we want guys who have even worse behaviour! Its exciting to us!"
Thank you for continuing the conversation. No, I don't consider myself a misogynist. I admit I feel baffled by women quite often. Because like I say, I am obligated to follow feminism and at the same time find women like on here who say they want a dominating man. Again, dominating was not my word. Further, I discover things that go against "truisms." I found many women really like to be looked at! Interesting thing, is its not even a judgment at all on my part. If I was a woman and blossomed into womanhood I think I would really appreciate being noticed. I don't knock women at all for this. But like I say there is double talk of what is acceptable. I know many people hate cheerleaders and pageants yet I know many who aspire to this. So which is wrong and harmful to women?
J
As christians, most of us don't fit into the politically correct crowd. Hopefully, we do fit into the loving our siblings in Christ crowd. There's a huge difference between expressing an unpopular opinion and personally attacking folks. One is respectful. The other is not. I would also hope most folks to be wise enough to know that much of what is said here is tongue in cheek.