Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy

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Pilgrimshope

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The lake of fire is the second death (Revelation 20:10-15)..
right there is a death for the flesh all
Men die once ( save Enoch and possibly Elijah )

then after our body dies ( first death by sin according to law )

our spirit faces the second death this day of eternal life or eternal spiritual damnation ( second death )

“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;

and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

all die once all will be raised up from death by Jesus word not moses he never spoke a word about it he was about sinners being executed for sin according to all he commanded isreal not to do.

don’t kill or you just be killed by the others . Don’t lie or you must be shamed and punished according to the severity of the lie told . Do Not commit adultery anyone who does must surely be executed by the others .

have no false gods among you that you worship anything or you must surely be executed by the others .

honor your parents anyone who doesn’t must be surely witnessed against by the parents and put to death to
Purge out the sin .

do not steal or Pay back double steal
Again in repetition or touch a mans probates in a fight you must surely have your hand amputated .

Work six days but do absolutely no work whatsoever don’t gather food , don’t stoke a fire , don’t gather wood upon the sabbath it’s a day of rest do
Nothing or be put to Death by all the others who witness against you seeing you lift a stick or gather food on a sabbath day

Moses law is like Jesus word once Moses wrote his law and died it is the covenant t word forever no one can ever change one word of Moses law it’s like his will he wrote his judgements and then died that’s the covenant for Israel everything Moses said and then shed the blood and said “ this is the blood of the covenant of all These words God has enjoined to you “

we don’t then go and decide which of Moses words apply all Of them do Moses words define Moses law. All he commanded is Moses law to the people and the priests to the elder and younger women and men the cm listen of Israel.

We die through Christ because that fulfills the law for us gentile or jew so we can be the children of Abraham father of many nations
 

Pilgrimshope

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I'll accept that it is Jesus' word rather than Moses' that will judge us on our day of judgment.

I would only mention that Jesus validates the law of Moses in Matthew 5:17-20.

And if He hadn't done so, He wouldn't have been the Messiah; for it is prophesied of the Messiah that He will "magnify the law and make it honourable." (Isaiah 42:21)
he was speaking to people alive before he died is why he endorsed it to them bro

“For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

after Moses died his words couldn’t change forever until what he said would happen later in Christ was fulfilled is the thing when Jesus was alive Moses words still had authority so did the priests of the leviticle order even caiphus had the authority

when Jesus had fulfilled what’s the law and prophets testified should come ( his testimony , life and death and resurrection ) all Jesus said became the testament of force forever like his life he lives forever and his words forever endure the same unchanged

while he lived Moses word still had power
 

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If circumcision translates into condemnation, then every Jew who is a part of the Abrahamic covenant (of which circumcision is the sign) is condemned.

However, that is not what is taught by holy scripture.

Rom 11:1, I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2, God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3, Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4, But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5, Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.


Rom 11:26, And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27, For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28, As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29, For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.


A Jew is not condemned over something that he has no control over (being circumcised the eighth day).
To use YOUR phony argument, you quoted that out of context.
 

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Actually, circumcision was a commandment that was given to the patriarchs (John 7:22); not to Moses.
Are you Christian? If you are then this warning is for you:

Galatians 5:2-4 (NKJV)
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

All of which means Hell fire!
 

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You quoted it out of context of the rest of the Bible; after I told you that I was circumcised the eighth day;

And the scripture in question condemns those who are circumcised.
And you admitted YOU god circumcised. You condemn yourself.
 

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Because Christ preached it. Even in my life in the kingdom of the world there is law to keep. I always use the best most successful model as my guide in anything I attempt. As a Christian, I use Christ as my model. Christ asks me to try to be perfection, but tells me repentance is sufficient.
Christians are not under the Law of Moses. When Jesus shed His Blood it gave us the New Covenant.
 

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Are you Christian? If you are then this warning is for you:

Galatians 5:2-4 (NKJV)
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

All of which means Hell fire!
The law doesn’t speak of hell it speaks of being stoned to death , burned by fire at the stake , hanged , strangled , beaten , having body parts removed all
Of those types of things for punishments of violating the law a death in thier sins is the end of the law.

the kingdom and final judgement speaks of eternal Damnation

“As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:40-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel is now our guide no longer Moses word that’s why Jesus died so we can have this word instead of the one accusing them of sin and condemning them to death

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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The law doesn’t speak of hell it speaks of being stoned to death , burned by fire at the stake , hanged , strangled , beaten , having body parts removed all
Of those types of things for punishments of violating the law a death in thier sins is the end of the law.

the kingdom and final judgement speaks of eternal Damnation

“As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:40-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel is now our guide no longer Moses word that’s why Jesus died so we can have this word instead of the one accusing them of sin and condemning them to death

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬
I cited NT. It clearly speaks of the eternal Hell fire.
 

Duckybill

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The lake of fire is the second death (Revelation 20:10-15)..
The second death meaning they were already dead but still alive. Death NEVER means "cease to exist" in the Bible. "Cease to exist" is JW / Kingdom Hall propaganda.

Rev "They will be tormented day and night FOREVER and EVER."
 
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The second death meaning they were already dead but still alive. Death NEVER means "cease to exist" in the Bible.

Rev "They will be tormented day and night FOREVER and EVER."
Rev 20:10 applies to three individuals.
 

Duckybill

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Rev 20:10 applies to three individuals.
Yes, but not ONLY.

Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
 

Duckybill

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Yes, BILLIONS of humans will be "tormented day and night forever and ever" in Hell fire.
 
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Yes, but not ONLY.

Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Mat 25:41 mentions that the fire is everlasting, Rev 20:10 mentions that three individuals are tormented endlessly or in perpetuity.

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/what-are-you-thoughts-on-annihilation.201874/
 

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I would simply point out that we can be perfected in this life when we are sanctified wholly (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv), Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), 1 John 3:9 (kjv); 1 John 3:7, 1 John 3:3, 1 John 2:6; 1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17; Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10)
 

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Are you Christian? If you are then this warning is for you:

Galatians 5:2-4 (NKJV)
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

All of which means Hell fire!
I do not need to be uncircumcised in order to have salvation, according to the Bible.

If I were a Gentile Christian and thought that I could be saved through circumcision, then in being circumcised I would lose my salvation; because I would at that point be trusting in something other than the finished work of the Cross to save me.

If I become circumcised as a Gentile who is not circumcised, Christ will profit me nothing.

But if I have already been circumcised on the eighth day, and then come to Christ, the fact that I was circumcised before will not exclude me from the salvation that Christ offers.

Jhn 6:37, All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
 

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And you admitted YOU god circumcised. You condemn yourself.
The whole of what I said:

You quoted it out of context of the rest of the Bible; after I told you that I was circumcised the eighth day;

And the scripture in question condemns those who are circumcised.

(therefore your intention was indeed to condemn me)

It is the untrained eye who might see it that way (that the scripture in question condemns those who are circumcised).

For the one who knows all of what is taught by holy scripture, it is understood that the condemnation is to the Gentile who seeks to be justified through circumcision of the fleshly organ (thus seeking to be saved through Judaism and all of its tenets).

Such a person is attempting to be justified by the law and is fallen from grace because the law is an alternative means of justification to being redeemed through faith in the blood of Christ; (the law being) a means which also will utterly fail practically 99.999999999999999999% of the time (Jesus being the only exception since He lived a perfect life; and His perfect life is imputd to us through faith).

Because those who seek to be justified by the law, their works, or their personal merits, are required to keep the whole law perfectly from conception into eternity. And the only one who has ever done that is Jesus Christ.

Therefore our only means of salvation is to have His perfect life, blood, and righteousness applied to our account, as we place our faith and trust in Him.

If we do that, then circumcision doesn't matter (1 Corinthians 7:19, Galatians 5:6, and Galatians 6:15); we are saved.
 

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I do not need to be uncircumcised in order to have salvation, according to the Bible.

If I were a Gentile Christian and thought that I could be saved through circumcision, then in being circumcised I would lose my salvation; because I would at that point be trusting in something other than the finished work of the Cross to save me.

If I become circumcised as a Gentile who is not circumcised, Christ will profit me nothing.

But if I have already been circumcised on the eighth day, and then come to Christ, the fact that I was circumcised before will not exclude me from the salvation that Christ offers.

Jhn 6:37, All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
You already admitted you got circumsised. Stop backpeddling. Jesus said, "Christ will profit you nothing", You have become estranged from Christ", "you have fallen from grace"!

Galatians 5:2-4 (NKJV)
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.