What did Jesus say about HIMSELF?

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Laura798

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his claims about himself are fulfillment of the prophecies beforehand to understand what he was saying of himself one needs to hear and acknowledge the prophets

Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.

Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.

Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour. Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?

I am the Lord, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.

Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old. Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:8-11, 13, 15, 18-19‬ ‭KJV‬

When you read prophecy like this you begin to realize what exactly Jesus eas saying about himself then the epistles make it concrete

“And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There is one Lord and he’s always been speaking of himself so man would know him when he came
And this is a very important point you make, Pilgrim. The first century believers had a few letters, but they often went to different locations--they weren't compiled in any sort of way until. 200 A.D. and not until the 5th Century was the NT Canon agreed upon. So the Bereans were studying Old Testament Scripture to see if "what Paul was saying was true."

Just like our schools, so many of our modern churches have watered down the gospel and made it 'milk' not meat--they often don't teach from the Old Testament--or really the New for that matter.:(

Most believers in the first century were not 'schooled' --also, it was harder for them to have direct access to the scriptures, yet they seem to be so much more intelligent-so much more critical in their thinking than we are now. They were meeting frequently together and it was much more interactive for those meeting in homes. They weren't passive spectators like we are now--getting the movie trailer version of the gospel each Sunday, if that.

"13For we do not write you anything that is beyond your ability to read and understand. And I hope that you will understand us completely, "--2 Corinthians 1:13
 

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Wrong spin on scripture.
But there is one "Lord" to US, but what about HIS Lord?
Do you honor HIM?
How can Pilgrim have a 'wrong spin' when he is simply quoting scripture?:unsure:
 

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And this is a very important point you make, Pilgrim. The first century believers had a few letters, but they often went to different locations--they weren't compiled in any sort of way until. 200 A.D. and not until the 5th Century was the NT Canon agreed upon. So the Bereans were studying Old Testament Scripture to see if "what Paul was saying was true."

Just like our schools, so many of our modern churches have watered down the gospel and made it 'milk' not meat--they often don't teach from the Old Testament--or really the New for that matter.:(

Most believers in the first century were not 'schooled' --also, it was harder for them to have direct access to the scriptures, yet they seem to be so much more intelligent-so much more critical in their thinking than we are now. They were meeting frequently together and it was much more interactive for those meeting in homes. They weren't passive spectators like we are now--getting the movie trailer version of the gospel each Sunday, if that.

"13For we do not write you anything that is beyond your ability to read and understand. And I hope that you will understand us completely, "--2 Corinthians 1:13
yes it’s actually where Paul’s doctrine comes from is the law and prophets but he’s revealing what was obscure in thoer time because Christ had not been revealed to the world yet Paul’s doctrine is rooted here according to him

“Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead,

and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭26:22-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s what the ot was always foretelling that Christ would come and die for sin and be raised up and that he would send light into the world

“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people. My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul was receiving revelation of the ot prophets and what they had been saying all along it was the same with Peter

“Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:21-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they were preaching Jesus from the law and prophets and what was written down already

“And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:23‬ ‭

when I realized that the prophets even the psalms and writings of David were talking about Jesus all along in various ways it changed a lot for me because the prophets witness teach us what Jesus is actually saying when he says the obscure stuff we don’t understand but that’s only my own take on it

I believe as we believe the gospel well want to begin to look into what the prophets were saying about the gospel like the apostles were teaching from Moses writings are a lot about Jesus we can’t really understand elsewhere so are some of the prophets writings things they say clearly and it only makes sense now because Jesus has come
 
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oh your one of those folks I see

how is that “ the wrong spin on scripture ?”

I’d need some clarification on that one

and what i do is between Jesus and myself what does that have to do with the post you asked what people thought about ?

there’s no benefit in arguing and having an attitude that creates conflict .

what I was saying was the prophets explain about the New Testament and who Jesus is pretty simple maybe a better example for you

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder:

and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.

The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6-8

that’s prophecy and then you have fulfillment in the gospel

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

…But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-5, 10, 12-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬


prophecy makes sense of things in the nt like God being manifest in the flesh of Jesus Christ is what I was saying

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,

justified in the Spirit,

seen of angels,

preached unto the Gentiles,

believed on in the world,

received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬
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WHO has given us this "child"?
(And 'bravo' on the mistranslated scriptures)
 

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WHO has given us this "child"?
(And 'bravo' on the mistranslated scriptures)
ahhh so your definately one of those folks alrighty well I hope you get some conflict with others I’ll move on to a productive thread , God bless brother
 
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no one is going to get the answers right here, but you are inspired

have your fun while it lasts

ta ta
 

Laura798

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yes it’s actually where Paul’s doctrine comes from is the law and prophets but he’s revealing what was obscure in thoer time because Christ had not been revealed to the world yet Paul’s doctrine is rooted here according to him

“Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead,

and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭26:22-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s what the ot was always foretelling that Christ would come and die for sin and be raised up and that he would send light into the world

“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people. My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul was receiving revelation of the ot prophets and what they had been saying all along it was the same with Peter

“Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:21-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they were preaching Jesus from the law and prophets and what was written down already

“And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:23‬ ‭

when I realized that the prophets even the psalms and writings of David were talking about Jesus all along in various ways it changed a lot for me because the prophets witness teach us what Jesus is actually saying when he says the obscure stuff we don’t understand but that’s only my own take on it

I believe as we believe the gospel well want to begin to look into what the prophets were saying about the gospel like the apostles were teaching from Moses writings are a lot about Jesus we can’t really understand elsewhere so are some of the prophets writings things they say clearly and it only makes sense now because Jesus has come

And it is what confirms the truth of the gospel! Not sure how accurate this is "Alfred Edersheim found 456 Old Testament verses referring to the Messiah or His times." but even so, we know it is in the hundreds and that is not counting all the other prophecies that have come true about Israel and the end times-- e.g. in ONE day Israel becoming a nation, the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD, etc.
 

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And it is what confirms the truth of the gospel! Not sure how accurate this is "Alfred Edersheim found 456 Old Testament verses referring to the Messiah or His times." but even so, we know it is in the hundreds and that is not counting all the other prophecies that have come true about Israel and the end times-- e.g. in ONE day Israel becoming a nation, the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD, etc.
“And it is what confirms the truth of the gospel!”

amen to all that but that it conforms the gospel is my take also the law and prophets both conform and witness of Jesus Christ like nothing else can . the epistles are constructs of the ot promises of Christ having been now revealed to mankind through the apostles when Jesus gives revelation like Paul said there of what Moses and the prophets had been saying he opens up understanding of scripture to see the message about him that’s hidden in it

“And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:44-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

same witness Paul testified of his doctrine same thing Peter testified of his it turns out Moses had testified to it , the prophets had all witnesses it ect

it’s amazing how many things jesus is for a believer
 

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WHO has given us this "child"?
(And 'bravo' on the mistranslated scriptures)

But still IBG, what is your point? So the translation Pilgrim uses says God--others say 'He' meaning Jesus. But Jesus is GOD!
So where is the disagreement?


Again you seem to want to see God as having human attributes--e.g. if there are three humans they are three separate persons, but God IS NOT HUMAN--it's foolishness to attempt to understand Him in that way. There is only ONE GOD--why do you ignore all the rest of scripture 3 in 1 is UNIQUE to God--there is nothing to compare this to in the known universe.

God said in the Old Testament: I AM.
Jesus said in the New Testament : I AM.

God merely SPOKE and the world came into being. What was the WORD--Christ. Who hovered over the waters? The Spirit.

These three are ONE. A mystery, but TRUE!

Why do you fight so much against it--to what purpose? How does thinking in such limited terms reveal the glory and mystery of our Creator and His plan of Salvation.


You think you are clear, but if someone says you aren't and you want to be understood, then please stop speaking in truncated sentences/ Morris Code and say PLAINLY what you mean.
 
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Jesus gave himself.
God had a symbolic name used once, while the REAL name was removed 7,000 times from most Bible.
A Holy Ghosthy was over the sea!

Such are the fairy tales given!
 

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Jesus gave himself.
God had a symbolic name used once, while the REAL name was removed 7,000 times from most Bible.
A Holy Ghosthy was over the sea!

Such are the fairy tales given!

Again--what is your point? Where is the 'fairy tale'? What is it you want us to know or see? God is God--he has many names.

Throughout the Bible, people have given many names to or for God. Sometimes they were given in response to something God had done, other times they were to describe who he is. Let's take a look at some of the most popular names of God.


Most familiar use Jehovah, a variant of Yahweh, which is translated into English as LORD. These are:

Other names of God in Scripture:


  • El-Shaddai, God Almighty: When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him and said, “I am El-Shaddai —‘God Almighty.’ Serve me faithfully and live a blameless life (Genesis 17:1, NLT).
  • Abba Father: For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” (Romans 8:15).
  • Adonai: Adonai is a Hebrew word that translates as "Lord" of "Lord Master" from its derivation "sovereignty". In 1 Samuel 24:8, when David has the chance to take the life of the King of Israel, Saul, who is trying to kill him, and he chooses to spare Saul, he emerges from a cave he has been hiding and calls Saul, “My lord,” its root form in the Hebrew similar to Adonai.
  • Alpha and Omega: In the last book of the Bible, Jesus reveals himself as "the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." Present at the world's beginning, Jesus will also be present at its end, when he and his work are finally and fully revealed. "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." Revelation 22:13
  • Ancient of Days: God is referenced as the "Ancient of Days" three times in the book of Daniel, chapter 7. It was the venerable appearance of old age that was uppermost in the writer's mind. "What Daniel sees is not the eternal God Himself, but an aged man, in whose dignified and impressive form God reveals Himself
  • El Roi: "The God who sees me" - used by Hagar in Genesis 16.
  • Elohim: Elohim is the Hebrew word for God that appears in the very first sentence of the Bible. Genesis 1:1 says, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." It literally says, "In the beginning Elohim, Elohim created the heaven and the earth." The term "Elohim" means “supreme one” or “mighty one”.
  • El Elyon: El Elyon, God Might High, or sometimes LORD Most High is used through Scripture to refer to the LORD, Creator of heaven and earth. Psalm 57:2 says, “I cry out to God Most High, to God who fulfills his purpose for me.”
Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?” God said to Moses, “I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’” God also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers — the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob — has sent me to you.’ “This is my name forever, the name you shall call me from generation to generation (Exodus 3:13-15).

In this passage, we see two names that God gives himself, emphasizing the second in a decree. In two more places, we find him declaring this same name of LORD.


And the LORD said, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the LORD, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion (Exodus 33:19).

I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols (Isaiah 42:8).

Why Is it Important that We Know the Names of God?
If you don't know all the names of God, does that make you a bad Christian? Of course not. There are literally hundreds of names and titles for God found scattered throughout Scripture. Even some of the most mature Christians in the faith may not know all of them.


https://www.christianity.com/wiki/god/what-are-all-the-names-of-god.html
 

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Why do you fight so much against it--to what purpose?
Those who attack the deity of Christ are under the power of Satan. Satan hates the fact the God became a Man to die for our sins, and destroy the power of Satan at the same time (and eventually send him to Hell, the Lake of Fire). He knows his time is short, so he works day an night to undermine the true Gospel and Gospel truth about Christ. In the meantime, he is working day and night through the COVID tyrants to steal, kill, and destroy right across the globe.
 
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Again--what is your point? Where is the 'fairy tale'? What is it you want us to know or see? God is God--he has many names.

Throughout the Bible, people have given many names to or for God. Sometimes they were given in response to something God had done, other times they were to describe who he is. Let's take a look at some of the most popular names of God.

Most familiar use Jehovah, a variant of Yahweh, which is translated into English as LORD. These are:

Other names of God in Scripture:


  • El-Shaddai, God Almighty: When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him and said, “I am El-Shaddai —‘God Almighty.’ Serve me faithfully and live a blameless life (Genesis 17:1, NLT).
  • Abba Father: For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” (Romans 8:15).
  • Adonai: Adonai is a Hebrew word that translates as "Lord" of "Lord Master" from its derivation "sovereignty". In 1 Samuel 24:8, when David has the chance to take the life of the King of Israel, Saul, who is trying to kill him, and he chooses to spare Saul, he emerges from a cave he has been hiding and calls Saul, “My lord,” its root form in the Hebrew similar to Adonai.
  • Alpha and Omega: In the last book of the Bible, Jesus reveals himself as "the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." Present at the world's beginning, Jesus will also be present at its end, when he and his work are finally and fully revealed. "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." Revelation 22:13
  • Ancient of Days: God is referenced as the "Ancient of Days" three times in the book of Daniel, chapter 7. It was the venerable appearance of old age that was uppermost in the writer's mind. "What Daniel sees is not the eternal God Himself, but an aged man, in whose dignified and impressive form God reveals Himself
  • El Roi: "The God who sees me" - used by Hagar in Genesis 16.
  • Elohim: Elohim is the Hebrew word for God that appears in the very first sentence of the Bible. Genesis 1:1 says, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." It literally says, "In the beginning Elohim, Elohim created the heaven and the earth." The term "Elohim" means “supreme one” or “mighty one”.
  • El Elyon: El Elyon, God Might High, or sometimes LORD Most High is used through Scripture to refer to the LORD, Creator of heaven and earth. Psalm 57:2 says, “I cry out to God Most High, to God who fulfills his purpose for me.”
Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?” God said to Moses, “I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’” God also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers — the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob — has sent me to you.’ “This is my name forever, the name you shall call me from generation to generation (Exodus 3:13-15).

In this passage, we see two names that God gives himself, emphasizing the second in a decree. In two more places, we find him declaring this same name of LORD.


And the LORD said, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the LORD, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion (Exodus 33:19).

I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols (Isaiah 42:8).

Why Is it Important that We Know the Names of God?
If you don't know all the names of God, does that make you a bad Christian? Of course not. There are literally hundreds of names and titles for God found scattered throughout Scripture. Even some of the most mature Christians in the faith may not know all of them.


https://www.christianity.com/wiki/god/what-are-all-the-names-of-god.html
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Jehovah only has ONE name. I quote it AGAIN~

Ex 3:14- And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. 15- And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,
>>> Jehovah, <<<
the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you:
>>> this is my name FOREVER, <<<
and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Neither Judiasm, Koine Greek, nor the foul Trinity Dogma can change that.
FINALLY, the Name "Jesus" in Hebrew means "the Salvation of JEHOVAH"!
Thus, REAL Christians honor BOTH names, while church-goers just PRETEND to honor one...
 

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Jehovah only has ONE name. I quote it AGAIN~

Ex 3:14- And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. 15- And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,
>>> Jehovah, <<<
the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you:
>>> this is my name FOREVER, <<<
and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Neither Judiasm, Koine Greek, nor the foul Trinity Dogma can change that.
FINALLY, the Name "Jesus" in Hebrew means "the Salvation of JEHOVAH"!
Thus, REAL Christians honor BOTH names, while church-goers just PRETEND to honor one...

You have ignored all the names that he is called by and what God calls Himself :"I AM." , "LORD", "EL SHADDAI."

Foul Trinity dogma--how so? Who do you say Christ is?

"ALL Fanaticism come from the isolation of verses."
 

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Those a SYMBOLIC names.
No they aren't-they speak of His Characteristics. And what God call Himself ARE not symbols OR characteristics.

God calls Himself :"I AM." , "LORD", "EL SHADDAI."

"But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves."--2 Peter 2:1

I don't say this often, but you are lost because you preach a false gospel and do not acknowledge the deity of Christ--it is impossible to be saved without acknowledging this.