The significance of Christ keeping the Law

[justbyfaith]

You preach the Law of Moses? For instance?

Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48.

 

[Duckybill]

Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48.

You don't even know where the Law of Moses is in the Bible? I think I know why you are avoiding it like plague. Have you read the Law of Moses?

Hint: It's close to Genesis

 

[justbyfaith]

You don't even know where the Law of Moses is in the Bible? I think I know why you are avoiding it like plague. Have you read the Law of Moses?

Hint: It's close to Genesis

There is no need to talk condescendingly towards me; I assure you that I am very humble.

 

[Duckybill]

There is no need to talk condescendingly towards me; I assure you that I am very humble.

If you were offended it was the Bible that offended you. Have you read the Law of Moses? No, it's not the New Covenant!

 

[justbyfaith]

If you were offended it was the Bible that offended you. Have you read the Law of Moses? No, it's not the New Covenant!

I was not offended, brother.

The law is written on the hearts and minds of believers under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 john 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6, 1 Corinthians 9:21)

 

[Duckybill]

I was not offended, brother.

The law is written on the hearts and minds of believers under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 john 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6, 1 Corinthians 9:21)

But you avoid the Law, even while you preach it.

The Law of Moses / Torah: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy

Christians are not under the Law of Moses, period.

Galatians 3:10 (NKJV)
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."

 

[Gideon300]

Totally agree
Christ righteousness covers our unrighteousness.
But just because we fail to keep the law perfectly do we give up and through the law out.

Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

We are not held by the law because of Jesus paid the price for us but that doesn't mean we can continue in sin that grace might abound.

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

The definition of sin is not just breaking the Law. The rich young ruler was law abiding, but Lord Jesus laid a condition on him that is not in the law and that the young ruler would not obey. The true definition of sin is whatever is not of faith. You don't need faith to keep the law. The rich ruler demonstrated that he did not have saving faith because he could not see that to give all he had was better than dying with great riches.

 

[Gideon300]

What will be changed? No doubt our physical nature but what about our characters. The fallen nature will not enter Heaven.
Will God change our characters? If i delight in sin and desire to sin, will God force me to be sinless. If we are able to follow the Spirit today and refuse, will God force us to follow the Spirit when He comes? Today is the day of salvation. Salvation from sin is to obey the law. Jesus did it for us to Give us salvation but God will not force us to be obedient in heaven.

i'm not saying we will not be changed and made perfect, but be careful, many will think they are saved and be found wanting when Jesus comes.
king Nebuchadnezzar's heart was lifted up and ......
Dan 5:27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Rubbish. Obeying Christ is not just obeying rules and regulations. Muslims do that. Whatever is not of faith is sin. Obeying the law does not make you righteous. You don't need faith to obey rules, that's why the law appeals to so many. They can boast in their self righteousness. It is such people who shut themselves out of God's kingdom. The self righteous boast about what they have done. When I face Lord Jesus, my boast will be only in what He has done.

You quote the Bible but you do not know God's word. Otherwise you would know that those who are born again have a new nature and it is that which is of heaven. The law is the shadow, as the rich young ruler discovered. Lord Jesus said, as He says to all who seek to follow Him fully, "Sell all you have....." Luke 18:22

This is not talking about money only. It is everything that you hold dear, everything that you cling to as more important than God's kingdom. Those who are willing to forsake everything for the sake of the Kingdom will receive the greatest rewards in heaven. God won't have to force his people to be obedient in heaven. Everything that hinders obedience will be stripped away before we enter heaven. How much better to lose it in this life than to be stripped of it in the next.

 

[justbyfaith]

But you avoid the Law, even while you preach it.

The Law of Moses / Torah: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy

Christians are not under the Law of Moses, period.

Galatians 3:10 (NKJV)
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."

There are "Christians" (those who say to Jesus, Lord, Lord) who are not on their way to heaven (Matthew 7:21-23) and such "Christians" are under the law of Moses....it will be their judge on the final day and will account them guilty before God (Romans 3:19-20).

 

[justbyfaith]

The definition of sin is not just breaking the Law. The rich young ruler was law abiding, but Lord Jesus laid a condition on him that is not in the law and that the young ruler would not obey. The true definition of sin is whatever is not of faith. You don't need faith to keep the law. The rich ruler demonstrated that he did not have saving faith because he could not see that to give all he had was better than dying with great riches.

The condition that Jesus laid upon him was indeed in the law...

"love thy neighbor as thyself"

Jesus just specified more clearly what that would mean for the rich young ruler if he were really going to carry it out in a practical manner.

Also, for us who know the gospel, the demand that Jesus made on the rich young ruler was something that Jesus told him because he was trusting in his own personal merits / works/ law-keeping for salvation.

If the rich young ruler would have simply trusted in Jesus and believed in Him for eternal life, the requirement would not have been required of him any more; because he would have not been any longer trusting in the law to save him. He would have been saved through faith alone in Jesus Christ.

Who knows? Such a faith might have led him to give up all he had and give to the poor...

 

[justbyfaith]

Obeying the law does not make you righteous.

True....however, if you are made righteous, it may lead you to be observant of the law.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The rich young ruler was law abiding, but Lord Jesus laid a condition on him that is not in the law and that the young ruler would not obey.

You could look at this another way. Which commandments did Jesus not mention, and how do they have a bearing on this matter? These are the only commandments Jesus mentioned:
VI. Thou shalt do no murder,
VII. Thou shalt not commit adultery,
VIII. Thou shalt not steal,
IX. Thou shalt not bear false witness,

So Christ did not refer to commandments I-V and also X. This man was covetous and had made his wealth his god. So he had broken the six commandments not mentioned. And even had he obeyed all Ten Commandments perfectly, that would not have earned him salvation. So this was really a test, and he failed the test. Instead of Jesus saying "You cannot inherit or earn eternal life" he tested this man's integrity.

 

[Duckybill]

There are "Christians" (those who say to Jesus, Lord, Lord) who are not on their way to heaven (Matthew 7:21-23) and such "Christians" are under the law of Moses....it will be their judge on the final day and will account them guilty before God (Romans 3:19-20).

If you are obsessed with the Law so much why don't you quote it? It's a curse!

 

[justbyfaith]

If you are obsessed with the Law so much why don't you quote it? It's a curse!

Yes, it is a curse on those who are attempting to be justified by it.

For those who know that they know that they know that they have been justified through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ, and that their performance has nothing to do with their righteousness,

It becomes a blessing to be able to look into the perfect law of liberty and to continue in it (James 1:25)...not a curse, therefore, to be obedient to the law...only a curse if you are attempting to be justified thereby.

Those who are justified through the blood of Jesus have been set free to obey the Lord...

They are no longer slaves of sin but of righteousness (Romans 6, John 8:31-36).

 

[Duckybill]

Yes, it is a curse on those who are attempting to be justified by it.

Which is exactly what you do!

For those who know that they know that they know that they have been justified through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ, and that their performance has nothing to do with their righteousness,

It becomes a blessing to be able to look into the perfect law of liberty and to continue in it (James 1:25)...not a curse, therefore, to be obedient to the law...only a curse if you are attempting to be justified thereby.

Those who are justified through the blood of Jesus have been set free to obey the Lord...

They are no longer slaves of sin but of righteousness (Romans 6, John 8:31-36).

So drop the "obsolete" Law of Moses. You don't obey it! You don't even quote the Law. Christians have the New Covenant.

 

[justbyfaith]

Yes, it is a curse on those who are attempting to be justified by it.

Which is exactly what you do!

No, it is not what I do. I obey the commandments of Jesus because I love Him (John 14:15, 15:10); because He has saved me from the certain penalty of death as the wages of sin.

There is a difference between that and seeking to obey the law in order to save yourself by proving yourself worthy of everlasting life.

In one instance, you have already been saved and are obedient out of sheer thankfulness for what the Lord has done for you.

In the other, a person who is not saved is seeking to save themselves by what they do for God; thinking that God will somehow owe them everlasting life if they do this or that for Him.

But God will not owe any man any thing (Romans 4:4); He offers salvation to all generously as a free gift (Romans 5:15-17).

So drop the "obsolete" Law of Moses. Christians have the New Covenant.

It is the Old Covenant that is obsolete; not the law.

For the law is written on the hearts and minds of believers under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10).

Heb 8:8, For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9, Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10, For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

 

[Evmur]

Yes, I do see it. Jesus met the demands of the broken Law for us by becoming the Second Adam and undoing what the first Adam had done, separated us from God by sin.

He kept the Law perfectly as demanded for man to do, (but man couldn't), in order to be that perfect sacrifice, having now fulfilled the Law of God, the righteousness of the Law is fulfilled in us by faith in Him who did keep the Law perfectly.

The Law ended in Christ, He is the culmination of the Law. By faith in Christ, when God sees us in Christ, He sees perfection even though we are not perfect. He sees a perfect Law-keeper in us by the victory of Christ. It's all by faith in Christ.

Not only so but He also paid the full price of breaking the law for us. The penalty is death and Jesus paid it for us.

The law therefore can have no further demand upon us.

 

[Duckybill]

No, it is not what I do. I obey the commandments of Jesus because I love Him (John 14:15, 15:10); because He has saved me from the certain penalty of death as the wages of sin.

There is a difference between that and seeking to obey the law in order to save yourself by proving yourself worthy of everlasting life.

In one instance, you have already been saved and are obedient out of sheer thankfulness for what the Lord has done for you.

In the other, a person who is not saved is seeking to save themselves by what they do for God; thinking that God will somehow owe them everlasting life if they do this or that for Him.

But God will not owe any man any thing (Romans 4:4); He offers salvation to all generously as a free gift (Romans 5:15-17).



It is the Old Covenant that is obsolete; not the law.

For the law is written on the hearts and minds of believers under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10).

Heb 8:8, For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9, Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10, For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

If you are trying to be justified by the Law of Moses then drop it!

 

[Charlie24]

Not only so but He also paid the full price of breaking the law for us. The penalty is death and Jesus paid it for us.

The law therefore can have no further demand upon us.

The demands of the Law ended in Christ by faith! Whatever God may demand of us is fulfilled by faith in His Son!

It's about His perfection, not any we think we may have!

 

[justbyfaith]

Not only so but He also paid the full price of breaking the law for us. The penalty is death and Jesus paid it for us.

The law therefore can have no further demand upon us.

Except that if we are born again, the love of the Lord has been shed abroad in our hearts (Romans 5:5).

And if we truly love other people, we will not be disobedient to the moral tenets of the law (Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6).