If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

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Charlie24

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How does the following work with The Kingdom (for a 1000 years) after the last trump?

1 Corinthians 15:50-52
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
The rule of Christ on this earth cannot begin until the anti-christ has accomplished the near destruction of Israel.

The Second coming is when Christ takes care of him, and immediately His reign begins.

Israel has now seen Him deliver them out of the hand of the anti-christ. They now know He is the Messiah and as Zechariah says, "there will be great mourning in the land, when they see the One whom they have pierced." They now know Jesus was the Christ all along!

There are two distinct resurrections in scripture. One before the millennial reign and one after the millennial reign clearly seen in Rev. 20:4-6,

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

Vs. 4 are the tribulation saints who gave their lives for Christ and will be included with the resurrection/rapture that took place some 7-8 years earlier before the anti-christ came on the scene.

vs. 5 are all the unsaved from the beginning of time that are not yet resurrected, and will not be resurrected until the 1000 years have expired.

vs. 6 is stating the saved who have already been resurrected at the rapture and the tribulation are safe from the second death, which is eternal separation from God. These, which include all who have been saved will reign with Christ for 1000 years.

All the unsaved of all time have not been resurrected and remain in Hades until the 1000 years are over and then beginning in Rev. 20:11, we see the unsaved of all time resurrected and stand before God to be judged.

Their end is the second death, forever separated from God in the Lake of fire.

So we see three major resurrections in the future for all of man.
 
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Children are already in The Kingdom:

Matthew 19:14​
But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.​

But as adults, we have to become Reborn to enter.

The Reborn know they are GOD'S Child because they have a Relationship with GOD and they can recognize how dead their spirit was prior.


You choose GOD’S Kingdom or satan’s kingdom for your eternal destination.

Matthew 12:26​
And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?​

a child of satan's kingdom has no idea they have chosen temptation to leave GOD'S Plan of LIFE ...for spiritual death.

children of satan's kingdom are using the polar opposite of GOD'S Plan and they have pride of it. they use the tree of knowledge of good and evil to decide for themselves what should be on the plan.
 

Charlie24

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Children are already in The Kingdom:

Matthew 19:14​
But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.​

But as adults, we have to become Reborn to enter.

The Reborn know they are GOD'S Child because they have a Relationship with GOD and they can recognize how dead their spirit was prior.


You choose GOD’S Kingdom or satan’s kingdom for your eternal destination.

Matthew 12:26​
And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?​

a child of satan's kingdom has no idea they have chosen temptation to leave GOD'S Plan of LIFE ...for spiritual death.

children of satan's kingdom are using the polar opposite of GOD'S Plan and they have pride of it. they use the tree of knowledge of good and evil to decide for themselves what should be on the plan.
Yes, the believer has the Kingdom of God living within him by way of the Holy Spirit given him through faith in Christ.

Many confuse this with the reign of Christ, where the Kingdom will be seen with the eyes in physical form for 1000 years.
 

Laura798

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The rule of Christ on this earth cannot begin until the anti-christ has accomplished the near destruction of Israel.

The Second coming is when Christ takes care of him, and immediately His reign begins.

Israel has now seen Him deliver them out of the hand of the anti-christ. They now know He is the Messiah and as Zechariah says, "there will be great mourning in the land, when they see the One whom they have pierced." They now know Jesus was the Christ all along!

There are two distinct resurrections in scripture. One before the millennial reign and one after the millennial reign clearly seen in Rev. 20:4-6,

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

Vs. 4 are the tribulation saints who gave their lives for Christ and will be included with the resurrection/rapture that took place some 7-8 years earlier before the anti-christ came on the scene.

vs. 5 are all the unsaved from the beginning of time that are not yet resurrected, and will not be resurrected until the 1000 years have expired.

vs. 6 is stating the saved who have already been resurrected at the rapture and the tribulation are safe from the second death, which is eternal separation from God. These, which include all who have been saved will reign with Christ for 1000 years.

All the unsaved of all time have not been resurrected and remain in Hades until the 1000 years are over and then beginning in Rev. 20:11, we see the unsaved of all time resurrected and stand before God to be judged.

Their end is the second death, forever separated from God in the Lake of fire.

So we see three major resurrections in the future for all of man.

Three resurrections?
Where is that found in scripture?
:rolleyes:
 

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If JESUS is going to go and prepare a place for us, why would The Kingdom remain here?

John 14:2-3​
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

People that overcome ...doesn't that mean now?

Revelation 3:12​
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.​


Is the Judgment by JESUS to end Jerusalem tell us that He is Reigning over The House of Jacob from Mount Zion (GOD'S Kingdom) as a King (Luke 19:41-44)? "and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation."

If the Reborn are Kingdom Ambassadors, why are we waiting for a physical Kingdom like the Jews are? They are waiting for a Messianic Age, are we also or is LORD JESUS CHRIST Reigning right now?

Check out “amillennial eschatology”. What do people think is going on when they become Reborn? i’ll tell you, He becomes our KING.

Jews still haven’t figured out that GOD’S Kingdom isn’t physical. You become Reborn to enter it. You become Reborn for a Relationship with GOD.

very short video:


What Anointed King matches to the King in Psalm 72? What Jewish King asks for prayers continually besides the Ultimate King (Psa 72:15)? "prayer also shall be made for him continually; and daily shall he be praised."
The Kingdom has come to all believers in a limited sense right now. The full Kingdom on earth won't come until Jesus returns to establish it.
 

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Three resurrections? Where is that found in scripture?:rolleyes:
1) The rapture that Paul speaks of in 1 and 2 Thess. This is just before the antichrist comes on the scene. All who are saved from the beginning of time will be taken, those who are dead will be resurrected with a new glorified body, those who are alive will instantly be changed and receive the same glorified body.

2) The tribulation saints who have died in the Great tribulation are resurrected (Rev. 20:4-5) and are counted with those of the rapture, the first resurrection. They together will reign with Christ in this earth for 1000 years.

3) The final resurrection (Rev. 20:11-15) are all the unsaved from all time, who are resurrected to stand before the Great White Throne of Judgement. They are sentenced to the second death and cast into the Lake of fire.
 

Charlie24

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1) The rapture that Paul speaks of in 1 and 2 Thess. This is just before the antichrist comes on the scene. All who are saved from the beginning of time will be taken, those who are dead will be resurrected with a new glorified body, those who are alive will instantly be changed and receive the same glorified body.

2) The tribulation saints who have died in the Great tribulation are resurrected (Rev. 20:4-5) and are counted with those of the rapture, the first resurrection. They together will reign with Christ in this earth for 1000 years.

3) The final resurrection (Rev. 20:11-15) are all the unsaved from all time, who are resurrected to stand before the Great White Throne of Judgement. They are sentenced to the second death and cast into the Lake of fire.
Jesus told us to watch for He will come as a thief in the night, watch and be ready for you know not when your Master comes!

We know from scripture that at the Second Coming, He comes to destroy the anti-christ. That is not a thief in the night, we know when the anti-christ comes for seven years, his reign ends at the Second Coming.

Christ is speaking of the Rapture, that is what we are watching and to be ready for. It could take place at any time. Remember the parable of the 10 virgins!
 
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Does Romans 16:25-26 say The Gospel has already been spread to all nations?


Romans 16:25-26
Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
 
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//How does The Kingdom suffer violence if it isn't here yet?

Matthew 11:12 ESV
From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and the violent take it by force.



//Sure sounds like we overcome satan's kingdom to enter GOD'S Kingdom NOW.

Acts 14:22 ESV
Strengthening the souls of the disciples, encouraging them to continue in the faith, and saying that through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom of God.



//JESUS didn't say "oh, by the way, there is a 1000 years first"

Matthew 16:19 ESV
I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
 
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Jesus told us to watch for He will come as a thief in the night, watch and be ready for you know not when your Master comes!

We know from scripture that at the Second Coming, He comes to destroy the anti-christ. That is not a thief in the night, we know when the anti-christ comes for seven years, his reign ends at the Second Coming.

Christ is speaking of the Rapture, that is what we are watching and to be ready for. It could take place at any time. Remember the parable of the 10 virgins!
Does the Millennium Reign happen before or after the last trump?

1 Corinthians 15:50-52
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
 
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Revelation 1:9
I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
 
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How can flesh and blood be in The Kingdom after the last trumpet?

1 Corinthians 15:50 "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God"

Rev 11:15 "The seventh angel sounded his trumpet"..."The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ"

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Laura798

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How can flesh and blood be in The Kingdom after the last trumpet?

1 Corinthians 15:50 "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God"

Rev 11:15 "The seventh angel sounded his trumpet"..."The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ"

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Joe,

I appreciate your diligence and your irrefutable kingdom verses--apparently there are those who were either raised or have been a great many years in a denomination that has taught this millennial kingdom false doctrine--it reminds me of people who come out of cults--to become un-indoctrinated can take time--the first time i heard of this 1000 year reign--and of course had read the verses in revelation--i didn't understand at the time the spiritual meaning behind them, but i did know they were not meant to be taken literally---I knew enough to know they represented something else.. In any case when I heard this false doctrine for the first time, I studied it a bit and found it strange-- how could anyone think it was literal when Christ returns once for the believers, theres a judgment and IMMEDIATELY After this the heavens and earth are destroyed--then the new heavens and earth come into being--each thing follows in quick succession--it is instantaneous since it says in a twinkling of an eye we will all be changed (that is the believers)--as when a person thinks they are about to die and "their whole life flashes before their eyes."

I pray now always on this site--I am disturbed at how much false teaching there is here and in so many churches. It truly is discouraging.

It is no small matter to deny that Christ is reigning now. And it negates the literal verses in scripture--as Jesus himself said, "My kingdom is not of this world." To deny his current reign is to deny his substitutionary death--that he has 'bound Satan' and has victory forever over sin and death at the cross.
 
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Joe,

I appreciate your diligence and your irrefutable kingdom verses--apparently there are those who were either raised or have been a great many years in a denomination that has taught this millennial kingdom false doctrine--it reminds me of people who come out of cults--to become un-indoctrinated can take time--the first time i heard of this 1000 year reign--and of course had read the verses in revelation--i didn't understand at the time the spiritual meaning behind them, but i did know they were not meant to be taken literally---I knew enough to know they represented something else.. In any case when I heard this false doctrine for the first time, I studied it a bit and found it strange-- how could anyone think it was literal when Christ returns once for the believers, theres a judgment and IMMEDIATELY After this the heavens and earth are destroyed--then the new heavens and earth come into being--each thing follows in quick succession--it is instantaneous since it says in a twinkling of an eye we will all be changed (that is the believers)--as when a person thinks they are about to die and "their whole life flashes before their eyes."

I pray now always on this site--I am disturbed at how much false teaching there is here and in so many churches. It truly is discouraging.

It is no small matter to deny that Christ is reigning now. And it negates the literal verses in scripture--as Jesus himself said, "My kingdom is not of this world." To deny his current reign is to deny his substitutionary death--that he has 'bound Satan' and has victory forever over sin and death at the cross.
What's weird is that a month ago, i would have been right along with them fighting you on this ...something flipped for me. the third physical Temple thing ...that is on muslim land is what got me questioning.

i just watched something today that blew my mind, you might want to see this guys view:

jump to 33 min in if it doesn't already

 

Laura798

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What's weird is that a month ago, i would have been right along with them fighting you on this ...something flipped for me. the third physical Temple thing ...that is on muslim land is what got me questioning.

i just watched something today that blew my mind, you might want to see this guys view:

jump to 33 min in if it doesn't already


I love to hear about the flip--I flipped and I didn't even know I was flipping! I sent you a message re: church I had left--it wasn't what they were preaching -- it was what they weren't --there doctrine was hidden--and that's the weirdness of denominations--what they really believe, comes out sort of in stealth mode--or morris code....

I watched two of your videos--the Bible Project and one by this guy--is this a different video?
 
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I love to hear about the flip--I flipped and I didn't even know I was flipping! I sent you a message re: church I had left--it wasn't what they were preaching -- it was what they weren't --there doctrine was hidden--and that's the weirdness of denominations--what they really believe, comes out sort of in stealth mode--or morris code....

I watched two of your videos--the Bible Project and one by this guy--is this a different video?
i know i'm handing you a chore, but i think it is worth it. Yes, this is different than the others by this guy. he has a rare view, he goes through examples of prophecy symbolism throughout The Bible and then explains how we look at Rev 20 all wrong.
 

Laura798

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i know i'm handing you a chore, but i think it is worth it. Yes, this is different than the others by this guy. he has a rare view, he goes through examples of prophecy symbolism throughout The Bible and then explains how we look at Rev 20 all wrong.
i'll watch it tomorrow, thanks. i was just asking if it was the same video you posted previously, which i did watch. i've watched a couple of his videos on annihilationism. he's very academic and thorough in his explanations.
 

Charlie24

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Are you seeing this? How is there flesh and blood after The Return of CHRIST?
Flesh and blood will carry on forever on earth. When Jesus returns and destroys the anti-christ only God knows how many millions have been killed on earth. Jesus begins His 1000 year reign with all of Israel now saved (flesh and blood) with all who have been saved from the beginning of time (glorified bodies).

The remaining Gentiles on earth (flesh and blood) throughout the nations will be ruled by Christ Himself for this 1000 years. How many people left on earth at this time is unknown, no doubt the population of earth is much less after the Great tribulation.