Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy

[Grandpa]

Genesis says the day was "sanctified" -- sanctification of a thing always involves an ON GOING CONDITION of the thing, such as a sanctified heart of the Christian or a Nazarite vow. The idea that God blessed and sanctified only the first 7th day but not any 7th day thereafter is inconsistent and nonsensical.

There was only one 7th day.

Let that sink in.

Then consider what the "ON GOING CONDITION" is that is blessed. I'll give you a hint; Hebrews 4:1-10


Why do you not answer what God did on the 8th day? and the 9th day? the 10th?

Did God Himself rest every 6 days and take saturdays off to rest? Because He was tired?

Nope. That is a religious tradition. Given to those who reject Gods Grace and the rest of Christ.

If you would keep reading further down, Paul says if we're resting inwardly in Jesus, we'll demonstrate that rest by resting outwardly from routine daily work "as God did from His". I pass up thousands in OT refusing to work on Sabbath because I want to show the lost who may be working and struggling to save their own life that the only way to find it is to trust and obey "for there's no other way to be happy in Jesus, but to trust and obey".

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Let's stick to facts and put aside speculations, OK? You have no idea what is in the heart of those of us who keep the Sabbath according to the commandment. Furthermore, it's subjective to argue Sabbath-keeping is "Judaism" when the Sabbath existed before Moses even got to Pharoah: "Behold, the people of the land are many, and you (Moses) make them SHABBAT..." which refers to keeping the weekly Sabbath. Also, before they ever got to Mount Sinai, God instructed the Israelites to keep the Sabbath by gathering twice as much manna on Friday which, again, means it already existed. Abraham kept God's "statutes, commandments, and laws" long before there was a Jew. Also, the commandment begins with "remember" which indicates it was already in existence but forgotten due to centuries of slavery. Finally, Jesus said the Sabbath was made for M-A-N, not J-E-W. but M-A-N ("anthropos) which means "all mankind".
He said of the weekly cycle that we are to work the six days and rest on the 7th, period. The devil since time immemorial has led mankind to substitute false worship in place of true worship, and his prime object and weapon of deception has always been the "SUN GOD" which "SUNDAY" honors to this day, and Christians everywhere pay homage to then devil via his antichrist agent in Rome by recognizing Sunday as their "holy" day instead of what it is -- a regular work day as commandment by Jesus -- while rejecting God's commandment to worship Him on the 7th day. Rome mocks and ridicules all who claim to have only the Bible as their creed, but follow Roman Catholicism's substitution of Sabbath with Sunday.

Worshipping God on the day that Christ resurrected (Sunday) accomplishes 2 things.

1. It shows who has received Gods Grace.
2. It shows that people are more interested in worshipping the Giver of Grace rather than the traditions of ancient judaism.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

 

[Duckybill]

I don't know of anyone who obeys the Law. LOTS of preachers tho. lol

 

[Phoneman-777]

There was only one 7th day. Let that sink in. Then consider what the "ON GOING CONDITION" is that is blessed. I'll give you a hint; Hebrews 4:1-10.

The blessing and sanctification God bestowed upon that first 7th day Sabbath in Eden at that time had zero to do with sinners entering God's redemptive rest because sin had not even entered into the world yet. The day was established, blessed, and sanctified in Eden as a memorial to the Creator's magnificent work because God knew Satan plan's to lead people to worship the creation instead of the One Who created it. Only later was it expanded to be the symbol of the ReCreator's work of recreating within the sinner a new heart. That's why this same Hebrews 4 chapter says "it is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath. For he that has entered into His rest, he as ceased from his own works as God did from His." -- Hebrews 4:9-10 Lamsa's Peshitta Bible of Ancient Eastern MSS, the closest MSS to the Textus Receptus that exists.

Why do you not answer what God did on the 8th day? and the 9th day? the 10th?

I did answer that. God kept on being God after Creation Week and the 7th day kept on being blessed and sanctified thereafter, as well.

Did God Himself rest every 6 days and take saturdays off to rest? Because He was tired?

Let's stick to facts we know: God rested on, blessed, and sanctified the 7th day. If you can't show us just one instance in all of Scripture where a thing was blessed and sanctified but immediately left to gather dust in history instead of continuing forward as a force to confront men, then you need to abandon this sillyness.

Nope. That is a religious tradition. Given to those who reject Gods Grace and the rest of Christ.

Why do antinomianists argue that obedience to God's commandments is evidence of a lost condition when 1 John 2:3-4 KJV clearly says the exact opposite?

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

The reason people use such verses as this to condemn as lost men those who strive to obey God is due to either to spiritual immaturity, stubbornness, or stupidity...certainly not due to sound exegesis. Such verses are in condemnation of obedience as a means to obtain salvation, a lie which Jesus Himself put to rest in Luke 17:7-10 KJV once and for all.

Worshipping God on the day that Christ resurrected (Sunday) accomplishes 2 things.

1. It shows who has received Gods Grace.
2. It shows that people are more interested in worshipping the Giver of Grace rather than the traditions of ancient judaism.

What shows we've entered into the inward rest of Jesus is our weekly outward rest from our labor, according to Hebrews 4:9-10 KJV, not observance to a day found no where in Scripture as made holy.

And it shows mankind's blasphemous arrogance to think he can change by reason of "tradition" what God codified with His own finger in stone, which Jesus flatly condemns in Matthew 15.

 

[Phoneman-777]

I don't know of anyone who obeys the Law. LOTS of preachers tho. lol

That's like saying, "I don't know any husband or wife who's faithful to their spouse."

 

[Grandpa]

The blessing and sanctification God bestowed upon that first 7th day Sabbath in Eden at that time had zero to do with sinners entering God's redemptive rest because sin had not even entered into the world yet. The day was established, blessed, and sanctified in Eden as a memorial to the Creator's magnificent work because God knew Satan plan's to lead people to worship the creation instead of the One Who created it. Only later was it expanded to be the symbol of the ReCreator's work of recreating within the sinner a new heart. That's why this same Hebrews 4 chapter says "it is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath. For he that has entered into His rest, he as ceased from his own works as God did from His." -- Hebrews 4:9-10 Lamsa's Peshitta Bible of Ancient Eastern MSS, the closest MSS to the Textus Receptus that exists.
I did answer that. God kept on being God after Creation Week and the 7th day kept on being blessed and sanctified thereafter, as well.
Let's stick to facts we know: God rested on, blessed, and sanctified the 7th day. If you can't show us just one instance in all of Scripture where a thing was blessed and sanctified but immediately left to gather dust in history instead of continuing forward as a force to confront men, then you need to abandon this sillyness.
Why do antinomianists argue that obedience to God's commandments is evidence of a lost condition when 1 John 2:3-4 KJV clearly says the exact opposite?
The reason people use such verses as this to condemn as lost men those who strive to obey God is due to either to spiritual immaturity, stubbornness, or stupidity...certainly not due to sound exegesis. Such verses are in condemnation of obedience as a means to obtain salvation, a lie which Jesus Himself put to rest in Luke 17:7-10 KJV once and for all.
What shows we've entered into the inward rest of Jesus is our weekly outward rest from our labor, according to Hebrews 4:9-10 KJV, not observance to a day found no where in Scripture as made holy.

And it shows mankind's blasphemous arrogance to think he can change by reason of "tradition" what God codified with His own finger in stone, which Jesus flatly condemns in Matthew 15.

SOUP SANDWICH.

Everything you say is like a soup sandwich. Completely wrong and un-salvageable.

You twist Hebrews 4 into meaning working at the law instead of entering Rest??? C'mon. No one is that dumb.

Then you twist 1 John 2:3-4 to be about the 10 commandments??? C'mon. Read the 2 verses before and after those 2 verses.

Then you twist Galatians 3:10 to SOMEHOW be about salvation??? C'mon. Nowhere in Galatians 3 is the subject of salvation even hinted at.


What shows we have entered rest is working at the law in our own understanding and strength??? Do you realize how utterly dumb that is???

Probably not.

 

[justbyfaith]

I don't think you know what you believe about the Law. When have Christians ever been under the Law of Moses???

See 1 Corinthians 9:21.

 

[justbyfaith]

I don't know of anyone who obeys the Law. LOTS of preachers tho. lol

If you walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in you (Romans 8:4).

 

[Duckybill]

See 1 Corinthians 9:21.

Why don't you quote it so everyone here can see it?

"When have Christians ever been under the Law of Moses???"

 

[justbyfaith]

Rom 8:7, Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

 

[justbyfaith]

Why don't you quote it so everyone here can see it?

"When have Christians ever been under the Law of Moses???"

See Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6, 1 Corinthians 9:21.

It is my style to normally conceal knowledge (Proverbs 12:23) while at the same time dispersing it (Proverbs 15:7) by merely referencing scripture rather than quoting it most of the time.

If you want to give an answer to the scripture in question, feel free to quote it and then give your answer.

 

[Duckybill]

See Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6, 1 Corinthians 9:21.

It is my style to normally conceal knowledge (Proverbs 12:23) while at the same time dispersing it (Proverbs 15:7) by merely referencing scripture rather than quoting it most of the time.

If you want to give an answer to the scripture in question, feel free to quote it and then give your answer.

You don't answer questions. You don't quote Scripture. Why?

"When have Christians ever been under the Law of Moses???"

 

[justbyfaith]

You don't answer questions. You don't quote Scripture. Why?

I already told you.

Jhn 9:27, He answered them, I have told you already, and ye did not hear: wherefore would ye hear it again? will ye also be his disciples?

 

[justbyfaith]

"When have Christians ever been under the Law of Moses???"

See 1 Corinthians 9:21;

Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6.

 

[Duckybill]

See 1 Corinthians 9:21;

Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6.

"When have Christians ever been under the Law of Moses???"

Very simple question that you can't answer. I'll stick with the NT!

Colossians 2:16 (NKJV)
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, (the Law of Moses)

Amen Jesus, I won't!

 

[BroTan]

You can show antinomianists until you're blue in the face the Bible says over and over that our works demonstrate whether we've been saved by grace through faith or not (, but they will deny Scripture, accuse others of "Legalism" while refusing to admit they practice "License", and cling to their OSAS License to Sin with one hand and their bank accounts with the other.

I understand what you saying, but mine job is to preach the Gospel, because Jesus say in Matthew 24: 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Keep in mind it's not always the person that you speaking to who are the ones you edifying, it's those who are in silence. We are living in these last days and many are confuse, and some just give up. Sometime the case could be 1 out of 20 or more, that be edify. But also in the scripture it's written in Ezekiel 33: 7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me. 8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. 11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Those brothers and Sisters that's keep God's Commandments, statues and Judgements, they'll have there job in the vineyard as well.

 

[BroTan]

No, it is saying that the feast days (and the sabbath) were a shadow or type of the reality; which is Christ.

You may be perfectly content to touch a shadow that is cast onto the ground by the form of Jesus Christ our Lord; I would prefer to touch Jesus Himself.

A person have to have real knowledge of a thing to really understand what they kicking against. In the scriptures it's written in Proverbs 18: The heart of the prudent getteth knowledge; and the ear of the wise seeketh knowledge.
The plan of God is outlined in Leviticus chapter 23. When we begin to read this chapter we will find the Lord's weekly Sabbath and also the Lord's High and Holy Days. Each High Day has a very important meaning, and if you are familiar with them you simply know the plan of God, but some are not. These Holydays represent the future and present time, and are a shadow of good things to come, meaning some of these Holy Days have no came yet.

 

[BroTan]

What he saw on the Lord's day is NOT the same thing as what will actually happen during the Day of the LORD. John was speaking of many future events, and not all those visions were given on that Lord's day either. Kindly go back to square one.

It's no way you should of miss understood that!

 

[justbyfaith]

A person have to have real knowledge of a thing to really understand what they kicking against. In the scriptures it's written in Proverbs 18: The heart of the prudent getteth knowledge; and the ear of the wise seeketh knowledge.
The plan of God is outlined in Leviticus chapter 23. When we begin to read this chapter we will find the Lord's weekly Sabbath and also the Lord's High and Holy Days. Each High Day has a very important meaning, and if you are familiar with them you simply know the plan of God, but some are not. These Holydays represent the future and present time, and are a shadow of good things to come, meaning some of these Holy Days have no came yet.

The plan of God (for salvation) has nothing to do with worshiping God on Saturday.

 

[justbyfaith]

"When have Christians ever been under the Law of Moses???"

Very simple question that you can't answer. I'll stick with the NT!

Colossians 2:16 (NKJV)
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, (the Law of Moses)

Amen Jesus, I won't!

If you walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in you (Romans 8:4).

That is in the NT, btw....and so are all of the other verses that I referenced.

It is your prerogative not to look them up...

If you prefer to be ignorant, then of course, that is your prerogative (1 Corinthians 14:38).

 

[Duckybill]

If you walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in you (Romans 8:4).

That is in the NT, btw....and so are all of the other verses that I referenced.

It is your prerogative not to look them up...

If you prefer to be ignorant, then of course, that is your prerogative (1 Corinthians 14:38).

You're the one who can't answer the simple question.

"When have Christians ever been under the Law of Moses???"