If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

[Laura798]

Show us how you know it's symbolic!

If the 1000 year reign is symbolic so is Satan being cast in hell symbolic. So is the resurrection symbolic. So is the Judgement symbolic beginning in Rev. 20:11. So is the new heaven and the new earth symbolic.

See PJ, you can't just pick out one event and say it's symbolic without the surrounding context also being symbolic.

It's symbolic PJ because ALL of Revelation is SYMBOLIC--again. Please show us a literal verse in another book of the bible that says Christ is going to reign a literal thousand years--it's impossible by virtue of all the end time prophecies and the fact that scripture states clearly and plainly that Jesus comes, their is the judgment of both the wicked and the just and then IMMEDIATELY following this the current heavens and earth are DESTROYED--there is nowhere for Him to reign! Scripture also says Christ at that time hands the kingdom over to the Father, then we have the New Heavens and New Earth so of COURSE it must be symbolic.

"Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power."--1st Corinthians 15:24

Please look up 1000 years in scripture--in every single case it signifies a long period of time--it is never a literal 1000 years. "To the Lord a day is as a thousand years..." "He owns the cattle on a thousand hills"---there are more--do you really believe these are meant to be taken literally?

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."--Matthew 24:29-30

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Revelation 11:17
Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.


The seat of David was on Mount Zion. Mount Zion is GOD'S Kingdom.

The House of Jacob is Israel, JESUS Displayed that He is Reigning by Judging it.

 

[Charlie24]

It's symbolic PJ because ALL of Revelation is SYMBOLIC--again. Please show us a literal verse in another book of the bible that says Christ is going to reign a literal thousand years--it's impossible by virtue of all the end time prophecies and the fact that scripture states clearly and plainly that Jesus comes, their is the judgment of both the wicked and the just and then IMMEDIATELY following this the current heavens and earth are DESTROYED--there is nowhere for Him to reign! Scripture also says Christ at that time hands the kingdom over to the Father, then we have the New Heavens and New Earth so of COURSE it must be symbolic.

"Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power."--1st Corinthians 15:24

Please look up 1000 years in scripture--in every single case it signifies a long period of time--it is never a literal 1000 years. "To the Lord a day is as a thousand years..." "He owns the cattle on a thousand hills"---there are more--do you really believe these are meant to be taken literally?

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."--Matthew 24:29-30

There is no solid basis for denying the literal interpretation of Christ's reign on earth and its duration being 1,000 years.

The scripture plainly says 1000 years, the Lord would not have stated a specific time frame if He meant "an unknown period of time."

In Matt. 19:28 the Lord tells the 12 that when He sits on His throne, they also will sit with Him on 12 thrones.

"And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

The "regeneration" that Jesus is speaking of is the Millennial Reign on earth, it's a new Age in time.

 

[Laura798]

There is no solid basis for denying the literal interpretation of Christ's reign on earth and its duration being 1,000 years.

The scripture plainly says 1000 years, the Lord would not have stated a specific time frame if He meant "an unknown period of time."

In Matt. 19:28 the Lord tells the 12 that when He sits on His throne, they also will sit with Him on 12 thrones.

"And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

The "regeneration" that Jesus is speaking of is the Millennial Reign on earth, it's a new Age in time.

This is speaking of the judgment--please give literal verses that support a thousand year reign that is NOT in the Vision of Revelation.

 

[Charlie24]

This is speaking of the judgment--please give literal verses that support a thousand year reign that is NOT in the Vision of Revelation.

Matt. 25:31

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:"

This is at the Second Coming, Laura, it can't get any plainer than this!

 

[Charlie24]

Matt. 25:31

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:"

This is at the Second Coming, Laura, it can't get any plainer than this!

Rev. 20:6

"Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years."

You can plainly see here that Christ reigns for a 1000 years, AFTER the resurrection.

That is not during this life, Laura!

 

[Laura798]

Matt. 25:31

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:"

This is at the Second Coming, Laura, it can't get any plainer than this!

Hmm? Is it possible you are unable to find a verse that says he will literally reign on this physical earth 1000 years--again how is that even possible since as soon as He comes and judges the whole thing will go up in smoke?

He is sitting on the throne of His GLORY. I pointed this out before-it is not a literal throne--this happens at the judgment--it is all part of John's vision which REPRESENTS both His coming and His Judgment--it is not a REAL THRONE.

"Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory."--Mark 13:26

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Rev 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 1:3
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Rev 1:4
John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

//What do you think the "seven Spirits" are? It's GOD'S Omnipresence.

Rev 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Rev 1:6
And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

It doesn't say He makes us kings and priests after.

 

[Charlie24]

Hmm? Is it possible you are unable to find a verse that says he will literally reign on this physical earth 1000 years--again how is that even possible since as soon as He comes and judges the whole thing will go up in smoke?

He is sitting on the throne of His GLORY. I pointed this out before-it is not a literal throne--this happens at the judgment--it is all part of John's vision which REPRESENTS both His coming and His Judgment--it is not a REAL THRONE.

"Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory."--Mark 13:26

Hmmm? is it possible you can't make a case whatsoever the 1000 years are symbolic?

 

[Laura798]

Rev. 20:6

"Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years."

You can plainly see here that Christ reigns for a 1000 years, AFTER the resurrection.

That is not during this life, Laura!

Again.There are many literal verses that say after Christ comes the heavens and earth will be destroyed. Please give at least three literal verses elsewhere in Scripture and not-- I repeat NOT in the book of Revelation--which is a VISION John sees---all of the visual represents something else--please look up the number 1000--in all of scripture it is representative of a large number and of 'fullness'

 

[Laura798]

Hmmm? is it possible you can't make a case whatsoever the 1000 years are symbolic?

I did make a case--you just aren't reading it--show me one verse in the bible where 1000 is a literal number--you can't.

Can someone please tell me the word or idea for when a person refuses to answer a question and instead answers it with another question?

 

[Charlie24]

Again.There are many literal verses that say after Christ comes the heavens and earth will be destroyed. Please give at least three literal verses elsewhere in Scripture and not-- I repeat NOT in the book of Revelation--which is a VISION John sees---all of the visual represents something else--please look up the number 1000--in all of scripture it is representative of a large number and of 'fullness'

There will never be enough verses for Covenant Theologists, they are living in a lie and will not accept it!

So you say it will take 3 more verses, lol! When I show them, you will ask for 3 more, etc. etc.

 

[Rondonmon]

If JESUS is going to go and prepare a place for us, why would The Kingdom remain here?

John 14:2-3​

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.​

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.​

People that overcome ...doesn't that mean now?

Revelation 3:12​

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.​

Is the Judgment by JESUS to end Jerusalem tell us that He is Reigning over The House of Jacob from Mount Zion (GOD'S Kingdom) as a King (Luke 19:41-44)? "and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation."

If the Reborn are Kingdom Ambassadors, why are we waiting for a physical Kingdom like the Jews are? They are waiting for a Messianic Age, are we also or is LORD JESUS CHRIST Reigning right now?

Check out “amillennial eschatology”. What do people think is going on when they become Reborn? i’ll tell you, He becomes our KING.

Jews still haven’t figured out that GOD’S Kingdom isn’t physical. You become Reborn to enter it. You become Reborn for a Relationship with GOD.

very short video:

What Anointed King matches to the King in Psalm 72? What Jewish King asks for prayers continually besides the Ultimate King (Psa 72:15)? "prayer also shall be made for him continually; and daily shall he be praised."

Jesus told Peter my Kingdoms, not of THIS WORLD. So, as long as Satan has the Birthright over this world he is the ruler of this evil world. He won that birthright from Adam whom he tricked, Adam was clearly told by God that he was given DOMINION over this world, and all of its animals/inhabitants thus Satan stole his birthright. Thus Jesus gave mankind a way to overcome that curse of Sin Satan placed upon mankind via his death/sacrifice, then God allowed a period of time for men to repent, to turn back unto God, its called the Church Age after tat Jesus will be sent back to break Satan's Rule over mankind once and for all. And at THAT TIME thus below will come to pass.

Psalm 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Jesus told Peter my Kingdoms, not of THIS WORLD. So, as long as Satan has the Birthright over this world he is the ruler of this evil world. He won that birthright from Adam whom he tricked, Adam was clearly told by God that he was given DOMINION over this world, and all of its animals/inhabitants thus Satan stole his birthright. Thus Jesus gave mankind a way to overcome that curse of Sin Satan placed upon mankind via his death/sacrifice, then God allowed a period of time for men to repent, to turn back unto God, its called the Church Age after tat Jesus will be sent back to break Satan's Rule over mankind once and for all. And at THAT TIME thus below will come to pass.

Psalm 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

i'm pretty sure that is the battle of gog and magog at the end of the thousand years ...The Church Age ends.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

If JESUS "made us kings and priests" at the beginning of Revelation (Rev 1:6), why are we waiting from a thousand year period after His Return?

Rev 1:6
And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[Laura798]

Matt. 25:31

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:"

This is at the Second Coming, Laura, it can't get any plainer than this!

Exactly, the Second Coming! He came ONCE to DIE and he comes again to receive His own--that is the believer! 1+1 = 2

It is called the Second Time for a reason--to make it clear He is only comes back ONCE!

We must always test scripture against scripture and when in doubt about end times prophecy we have only to look of the literal verses given to us by Christ and the Apostles.

All false doctrine and fanaticism comes from the 'isolation' of verses--which is precisely what you are doing here,

 

[Charlie24]

The bottom line Laura and PJ, is that you are denying Rev. 20:6, that Jesus literally reigns for a 1000 years after the resurrection, not in this life!

But all who hold to Covenant Theology are denying this to push their agenda!

The Lord is not happy with this false teaching and all who teach this heresy will answer to the Lord on the appointed day!

All I have to say on the subject!

 

[pittsburghjoe]

The bottom line Laura and PJ, is that you are denying Rev. 20:6, that Jesus literally reigns for a 1000 years after the resurrection, not in this life!

But all who hold to Covenant Theology are denying this to push their agenda!

The Lord is not happy with this false teaching and all who teach this heresy will answer to the Lord on the appointed day!

All I have to say on the subject!

Denying JESUS is LORD right now might be an issue.

 

[Laura798]

The bottom line Laura and PJ, is that you are denying Rev. 20:6, that Jesus literally reigns for a 1000 years after the resurrection, not in this life!

But all who hold to Covenant Theology are denying this to push their agenda!

The Lord is not happy with this false teaching and all who teach this heresy will answer to the Lord on the appointed day!

All I have to say on the subject!

Okay--if this is the case it is is the ONLY verse in all of the bible that uses 1000 years as a literal term--that also means that we must take all John's vision as literal! (which is preposterous)

How to Read Revelation:

"Whether you find that intimidating or enticing, we need some guardrails to keep us from getting lost in Revelation’s prophecies, metaphors, and apocalyptic imagery."...

For example, what happens when we try to take the reference in Revelation 17:9 to the woman who sits on seven hills literally? To force this image into a literal mold results either in one very large woman or in seven very small hills. But when we say that the woman in 17:9 is not a literal woman, it doesn’t deny the reality of Scripture. First-century Christians would naturally understand the woman to represent Rome, a city built on seven hills. The text probably also looks beyond Rome to powerful pagan empires opposed to God. We take picture language seriously, but not literally.

Revelation 1:1 says that God “signified” (KJV) the book to John. The word translated “signify” (NIV, “made it known”) suggests that God communicated the book to John through signs or symbols. According to G.K. Beale, the background of this term is Daniel 2, where God “signifies” to the king what will occur in the latter days by showing him a pictorial revelation (Daniel 2:45). For most of the Bible, the general rule is to interpret literally except where the context clearly calls for a symbolic reading.

The word “signify” in Revelation 1:1 suggests that the general rule is the reverse: interpret symbolically unless the context calls for a literal reading.

https://zondervanacademic.com/blog/how-read-revelation

 

[Charlie24]

Denying JESUS is LORD right now might be an issue.

No one is denying Christ! That is a copout aimed at those who disagree with you!

What you and Laura are denying is the literal reign of Christ on this earth which is and must fulfill the prophecy of the Son of God sitting on the throne of David.

David's throne was literal and so will Christs' throne be literal to fulfill the prophecy.