If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

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There isn't sin after we are Reborn THROUGH HIM.
You foolish man.

18 I warn every one who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if any one adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, 19 and if any one takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
 
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You want me to be taking something away or adding something ...because then you don't have to consider an interpretation that doesn't agree with a generation getting an unfair chance at SALVATION.
 
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The kingdom of the world becomes the Kingdom of GOD at the regeneration. No time for a thousand years.

Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
 
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Ain't gonna be one either, lol!
Your answers seldom appear clear or logically sound, but in some ways you already did answer the question, you just haven't been consistent in your answers.

Jesus is definitely going to have His Kingdom on this earth!
The Jews were to accept Christ and introduce the Messiah to the world, but they failed, and God chose the Church to carry out this mission. We must realize that the Church is God's second choice! His original choice was His chosen people, the Jews!
Here you have established the hateful rhetoric that there is no such thing as a Christian with Jewish or Israelite ancestry. This rhetoric about Christians being a second choice is contrary to scripture and misses the point that Christianity is a merger between Israelites and Gentiles. The descendants are a fusion of Israelite and Gentile! There is neither Jew nor Gentile, all are one in Christ.

If Christ is reigning [...] scripture says "He will rule with a rod of iron." The entire world will fall under His rule and they will obey or no rain will come to that land, etc, etc.
Here you show a fundamental lack of understanding of New Testament teachings:

"That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust." - Matthew 5:45 KJV

The thousand year reign of [the messiah] is a switching of world power from the Gentiles to Israel! The Jews will reign supreme over this world as God originally planned.
This is an antiChristian Talmudic teaching. This is not a Biblical concept.

The entire world will come through the Jews to see Christ.
This is another antiChristian Talmudic blasphemy. NonChristian Jews are not the gatekeepers to Christ. But the Talmud does teach that.

For 1000 years the Jews will reign as the premiere nation on this earth and all the Gentile nations will pay them respect. They will "no longer be the tail, but they will be the head" as God said they will be!
That's not what the Bible says. Another Talmudic teaching.

I must be wrong! Can you explain why God gave only the Law to Israel and why He chose and created this people for His Son to be born through this people? Why did God choose Israel, what was their purpose? Why were the Gentile nations left out of His original plans?
Here you show another fundamental lack of understanding of New Testament teachings about afore preparation unto glory (even Abraham started as a Gentile) :

"Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?" - Romans 9:20-24 KJV

If you've kept up with what's going on in Israel, they are purging the land of Christians. Anyone who proclaims Christ is shut down immediately, their business is gone. Anyone who hires a Christian is penalized by the government. Jewish Christians in Israel live in fear and silence!
Here you almost explicitly say that "Biblical Israel = modern geopolitical Israel". You also affirm here that the modern geopolitical Israel is antiChrist (no kidding).

Rom. 11:25-27
Who is Israel? Paul plainly tells us they are "Jacob." The natural seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob! This rules out the Muslims! God has now a remnant of Jacob, but for the most part Jacob (Israel) is in unbelief!
So somehow Moslems aren't the natural seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. You have no way to make that judgement call, unless you are placing trust in the account of the antiChristian Rabbinic Order which states that is the case.

But! You included an puzzling phrasing here when you said "for the most part Israel is in unbelief". If it is only the most part, that means that some part is in belief, which means that this part of Israel is Christian. If you have admitted that Biblical Israel is incorporated into Christianity, this contradicts your earlier statement that the geopolitical state of Israel is the whole Biblical Israel. You refuse to clarify, so the summary is merely that your position stands as an incoherent heap of contradictions until you make a point of clarifying that discrepancy.

Israel is not saved nationally as they thought by being given the Law.
And they are saved by... Christ?
Meaning... that they become Christian?
Meaning... they accept the Gospel of Christ and reject the Talmud?
Meaning... they cease to be Talmudic Jews?

I certainly hope that is your answer if you are claiming to be a Christian. That brings us back to the question of whether Christians can count as "Jewish by blood" or not. You have presented no clear measuring stick for determining who counts as a Jew yet incessantly insinuate that Christians are in no way Jewish. How are you defining "Jewishness"? By geopolitical-Israel's law of return? Who gave the Rabbinic Order authority if Christ is the current head of the priesthood?

In the end, I get a strange feeling you're just taking talking points from a book of opinions instead of having a genuine conversation. Shame really. It would be interesting to have an honest conversation with the author of your thoughts. I suspect these "great theologians" you speak of aren't Christian.

The conclusions from a nonChristian perspective about the nature of the kingdom is always going to be different than the conclusions from a Christian perspective. Different source material, different potential projections, and a different range of valid answers. Might as well be speaking two different languages at that point.

"Ha! lol! TL;DR"

The silence speaks for itself.
 

Charlie24

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So keep your head in the sand about the Promises being Infinite? You only want Israel to be the core for a thousand years?
I take it that
Your answers seldom appear clear or logically sound, but in some ways you already did answer the question, you just haven't been consistent in your answers.



Here you have established the hateful rhetoric that there is no such thing as a Christian with Jewish or Israelite ancestry. This rhetoric about Christians being a second choice is contrary to scripture and misses the point that Christianity is a merger between Israelites and Gentiles. The descendants are a fusion of Israelite and Gentile! There is neither Jew nor Gentile, all are one in Christ.



Here you show a fundamental lack of understanding of New Testament teachings:

"That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust." - Matthew 5:45 KJV



This is an antiChristian Talmudic teaching. This is not a Biblical concept.



This is another antiChristian Talmudic blasphemy. NonChristian Jews are not the gatekeepers to Christ. But the Talmud does teach that.



That's not what the Bible says. Another Talmudic teaching.



Here you show another fundamental lack of understanding of New Testament teachings about afore preparation unto glory (even Abraham started as a Gentile) :

"Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?" - Romans 9:20-24 KJV



Here you almost explicitly say that "Biblical Israel = modern geopolitical Israel". You also affirm here that the modern geopolitical Israel is antiChrist (no kidding).



So somehow Moslems aren't the natural seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. You have no way to make that judgement call, unless you are placing trust in the account of the antiChristian Rabbinic Order which states that is the case.

But! You included an puzzling phrasing here when you said "for the most part Israel is in unbelief". If it is only the most part, that means that some part is in belief, which means that this part of Israel is Christian. If you have admitted that Biblical Israel is incorporated into Christianity, this contradicts your earlier statement that the geopolitical state of Israel is the whole Biblical Israel. You refuse to clarify, so the summary is merely that your position stands as an incoherent heap of contradictions until you make a point of clarifying that discrepancy.



And they are saved by... Christ?
Meaning... that they become Christian?
Meaning... they accept the Gospel of Christ and reject the Talmud?
Meaning... they cease to be Talmudic Jews?

I certainly hope that is your answer if you are claiming to be a Christian. That brings us back to the question of whether Christians can count as "Jewish by blood" or not. You have presented no clear measuring stick for determining who counts as a Jew yet incessantly insinuate that Christians are in no way Jewish. How are you defining "Jewishness"? By geopolitical-Israel's law of return? Who gave the Rabbinic Order authority if Christ is the current head of the priesthood?

In the end, I get a strange feeling you're just taking talking points from a book of opinions instead of having a genuine conversation. Shame really. It would be interesting to have an honest conversation with the author of your thoughts. I suspect these "great theologians" you speak of aren't Christian.

The conclusions from a nonChristian perspective about the nature of the kingdom is always going to be different than the conclusions from a Christian perspective. Different source material, different potential projections, and a different range of valid answers. Might as well be speaking two different languages at that point.

"Ha! lol! TL;DR"

The silence speaks for itself.
Man, If I've done all that do I need to turn myself in to the authorities? Some of that must be a felony!
 
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To determine whether the kingdom of God is now or in the future requires an understanding of what the phrase ‘kingdom of God’ means according to the bible. Am sure all bible readers know that the kingdom of God is synonymous with the kingdom of heaven and it means different things in different passages in the bible.
In the general sense,the kingdom of God is rule of the omniscient,omnipresent and omnipotent creator(God) over all universe.the babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar calls his kingdom eternal in Daniel 4:3,David in Psalms 103:19 says God has established his throne in heaven and his kingdom rules over all.
In another direction,it means the spiritual rule over the lives and hearts of those who willingly submit to the authority and Lordship of Jesus Christ. John 3:5-7 Jesus teaches you cannot enter the kingdom if God unless you be born again,Paul says in Romans 14:17 that its not eating or drinking but rather righteousness,peace and joy in the holy ghost and this seems to be happening at this time!!!
Another wider and common is the literal rule of Christ on earth during the millenium and this was prophesied by so many old testament men of God-Obadiah 1:21,Micah 4:2,Daniel 2:44 among others, So the kingdom of God is now and its in the future depending on the exact direction you might want to take!!!
 

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If JESUS is going to go and prepare a place for us, why would The Kingdom remain here?

John 14:2-3​
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

People that overcome ...doesn't that mean now?

Revelation 3:12​
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.​


Is the Judgment by JESUS to end Jerusalem tell us that He is Reigning over The House of Jacob from Mount Zion (GOD'S Kingdom) as a King (Luke 19:41-44)? "and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation."

If the Reborn are Kingdom Ambassadors, why are we waiting for a physical Kingdom like the Jews are? They are waiting for a Messianic Age, are we also or is LORD JESUS CHRIST Reigning right now?

Check out “amillennial eschatology”. What do people think is going on when they become Reborn? i’ll tell you, He becomes our KING.

Jews still haven’t figured out that GOD’S Kingdom isn’t physical. You become Reborn to enter it. You become Reborn for a Relationship with GOD.

very short video:


What Anointed King matches to the King in Psalm 72? What Jewish King asks for prayers continually besides the Ultimate King (Psa 72:15)? "prayer also shall be made for him continually; and daily shall he be praised."
Jesus is Lord of Heaven and EARTH, in Heaven His Lordship is recognised and submitted to, on Earth His Lordship is not universally recognised and submitted to ... but it will be. He is going to put down all power and authority.

But right up until His appearing the world will be at variance with Him ... therefore His Lordship over the Earth will be acknowledged in the next age. The millennial age.
 
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The 1000 years symbolize the Church Age.
The time of the gentiles are fulfilled.....that's the age of grace....as I said before you are all over the place with your eschatology.
The thousand year reign is fulfillment of prophecy.
It is the fulfillment of christ prayer....thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
This is the fulfillment of the order of Melchizedek.
The restoration of the earth, Israel and all that God has said he would do must come to pass. And will.
The title of King of Kings and Lord of Lord's is established right before our very eyes.

After all has passed in which were prophesized by the prophets of old a new heaven and new earth shall be created.
 
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pottersclay

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The kingdom of the world becomes the Kingdom of GOD at the regeneration. No time for a thousand years.

Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Keep youtubing your eschatology next they will have you believing you can go to heaven with your boots on.
 
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The time of the gentiles are fulfilled.....that's the age of grace....as I said before you are all over the place with your eschatology.
The thousand year reign is fulfillment of prophecy.
It is the fulfillment of christ prayer....thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
This is the fulfillment of the order of Melchizedek.
The restoration of the earth, Israel and all that God has said he would do must come to pass. And will.
The title of King of Kings and Lord of Lord's is established right before our very eyes.

After all has passed in which were prophesized by the prophets of old a new heaven and new earth shall be created.
You are demanding the same Messianic Age that the Jews did. How many times do i have to say that the Promises are for Infinity ...not a thousand years?
 
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Keep youtubing your eschatology next they will have you believing you can go to heaven with your boots on.
This scripture ends the debate:

Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
 
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Jesus was speaking to his disciples
 
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JESUS was the first to overcome the beast.

humans use death to gain power.

JESUS was the Passover Lamb, The Day that Jews were set free from egypt.

evil's only real power is death, JESUS overcame it with an act of Love by giving His life.

JESUS is Reigning now because He gave us The Way out of babylon (death). JESUS Reigns over the kingdom of the world now and continues to after it becomes The Kingdom of GOD for Infinity.

What is wrong with you if you can't say JESUS is LORD (King) ...right now?

 
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Jesus is Lord of Heaven and EARTH, in Heaven His Lordship is recognised and submitted to, on Earth His Lordship is not universally recognised and submitted to ... but it will be. He is going to put down all power and authority.

But right up until His appearing the world will be at variance with Him ... therefore His Lordship over the Earth will be acknowledged in the next age. The millennial age.
Hi Brother, we have the Kingdom of God now thru the Holy Spirit and when HE Comes and FOREVER - Amen
 

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I'll bet I have more of those red circles with the white "x" in the middle that anyone on this forum, you guys are making me the man!
If it makes you feel any better Charlie --I have 60 of those red x's--albeit 80% are probably from the same two curmudgeons..:confused:

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Charlie24

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If it makes you feel any better Charlie --I have 60 of those red x's--albeit 80% are probably from the same two curmudgeons..:confused:

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Well I see that I'm dethroned, that didn't last long! LOL

It's just me but I don't give the "disagree" icon to anyone.

If I disagree I will post why I disagree and not with that icon.

It's silly I know but that icon is a rather bold statement.

Just something I would choose not to use.
 

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Well I see that I'm dethroned, that didn't last long! LOL

It's just me but I don't give the "disagree" icon to anyone.

If I disagree I will post why I disagree and not with that icon.

It's silly I know but that icon is a rather bold statement.

Just something I would choose not to use.
I agree--it is too bold--it screams "You are wrong! (And of course that means I am RIGHT! Bwwhhaaaa!:mad:)

We should all blast the admins and request something subtler....like a machine gun emoji or a machete.;)
Seriously, I'd like to see something like I don't know--maybe a little guy holding a flag that says "I disagree". I'm also surprised we don't have the little angel emoji.... the heart can be a little too valentine looking....


So I take it you didn't like my meme--I thought it would warrant at least a laugh or thumbs up emoji--or you dont like those emojis either?:unsure:
 

Charlie24

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I agree--it is too bold--it screams "You are wrong! (And of course that means I am RIGHT! Bwwhhaaaa!:mad:)
Or I simply do not like you...like the curmudgeon cousins.

We should all blast the admins and request something subtler....like a machine gun emoji or a machete.;)
Seriously, I'd like to see something like I don't know--maybe a little guy holding a flag that says "I disagree".


So I take it you didn't like my meme--I thought it would warrant at least a laugh or thumbs up emoji--or you dont like those emojis either?:unsure:
I probably didn't catch it. I've found that my brain cramps are increasing the more I try to think.

Thinking is overrated anyway! I'm trying to avoid it as much as possible.