Hitler the seventh head of the beast

[ResidentAlien]

In Revelation 17:9-10 we read: "This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other [the 7th] has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while."

Okay, the 7th king will come sometime after the writing of Revelation and will remain "only a little while." Hitler and Nazis were in power twelve years; relatively speaking a very short time. Revelation 13:3 says one of the heads of the beast had a fatal wound which had been healed: "One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast." It's interesting to note that Hitler died of a gunshot wound to his head.

Revelation 17:11 describes the beast itself as an 8th head: "As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven. . ." v.8 says: "The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit. . ."

So we have a beast which "belongs to the seven" and will be fatally wounded and will rise again. This suggests that the final beast will somehow be in Hitler's image. Not a literal reincarnation necessarily; if Hitler were to be literally reincarnated no one would listen to or follow him. But the final beast will follow in the mold established by Hitler.

I'm reading a very good book called Plotting Hitler's Death: The Story of the German Resistance by Joachim Fest. On pg. 20 there's an interesting account of the mood that was present in Germany shortly after Hitler came to power:

"Wilhelm Hoegner, the future prime minister of Bavaria, recalled wandering through the streets of Munich feeling that all of a sudden they had become hostile and threatening. Helmuth von Molke's mother felt profoundly uprooted, as if she 'no longer belonged to the country.' Others have spoken of losing old friends, of an atmosphere of suspicion, of spying neighbors and the rapid disintegration of their social lives even as the alleged brotherhood of all Germans was being celebrated in delirious parades and pseudo religious services, mass swearing of oaths and vows under domes of light, addresses by the Fuhrer, nightly bonfires on hills and mountains, secular chants and hymns. All this fervor was fueled by the intense sensation that history was in the making." ​

Now let's look at some scriptures that that describe similarities between this and the reign of the Antichrist:

Hostile and threatening: "And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain."—Revelation 13:15

An atmosphere of suspicion: "You will be delivered up even by parents and brothers and relatives and friends, and some of you they will put to death."—Luke 24:16

Brotherhood of all Germans: "and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast."—Revelation 13:3

Pseudo religious services: A lot of people may not be aware that Hitler actually tried to wipe out true Christianity in Germany and replace it with a National "Christian" religion called German Christians. Dietrich Bonhoeffer was one of the true Christians who resisted Hitler and it eventually cost him his life.

Swearing of oaths and vows: "Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon. It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence, and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed."—Revelation 13:11-12

History in the making: "and they worshiped the beast, saying, 'Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?' "—Revelation 13:4

I'm sure there are plenty of other similarities between Hitler and the final beast. I might add them as I come across them.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Beginning in Daniel 11:21 to the end of the chapter is a description of a person generally believed to be the Antichrist. Daniel 11:21 says:

"but he shall come in peaceably, and seize the kingdom by intrigue."

This is exactly how Hitler came to power, peaceably and through legal channels, using manipulation and deception. This is another good example of Hitler as a foreshadowing of the Antichrist. There are other interesting similarities in the rest of Daniel 11.

 

[iamsoandso]

Sometime between ad64 and ad96(debated dates of the Revelation) the angel states in Revelation 17:8 that "the beast that you saw was (past tense) and not is (present tense) and is about to come up out of the Abyss..." So some time prior to the time John saw the vision the 8th beast had existed,,but did not at that time(was in the Abyss at that time) in other words the beast your looking for(the 8th head) has to have existed before the Revelation was seen. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/17-8.htm

 

[ResidentAlien]

Sometime between ad64 and ad96(debated dates of the Revelation) the angel states in Revelation 17:8 that "the beast that you saw was (past tense) and not is (present tense) and is about to come up out of the Abyss..." So some time prior to the time John saw the vision the 8th beast had existed,,but did not at that time(was in the Abyss at that time) in other words the beast your looking for(the 8th head) has to have existed before the Revelation was seen. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/17-8.htm

Not necessarily. "was, is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss" may refer to the fact that the seventh head had a mortal wound but it was healed. In other words, when Hitler lived the beast was, when he died it was not, and the 8th and final beast will come up out of the abyss.

 

[Rondonmon]

In Revelation 17:9-10 we read: "This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other [the 7th] has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while."

Okay, the 7th king will come sometime after the writing of Revelation and will remain "only a little while." Hitler and Nazis were in power twelve years; relatively speaking a very short time. Revelation 13:3 says one of the heads of the beast had a fatal wound which had been healed: "One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast." It's interesting to note that Hitler died of a gunshot wound to his head.

Revelation 17:11 describes the beast itself as an 8th head: "As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven. . ." v.8 says: "The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit. . ."

So we have a beast which "belongs to the seven" and will be fatally wounded and will rise again. This suggests that the final beast will somehow be in Hitler's image. Not a literal reincarnation necessarily; if Hitler were to be literally reincarnated no one would listen to or follow him. But the final beast will follow in the mold established by Hitler.

You jump from the 6th head having a mortal wound (that's the one spoken of) to the 8th rising from the dead. All this is guessing, and I understand the fascination, but we don't have to guess, we can weigh the evidence and understand this. I have been called to end-time eschatology for 35 plus years. I will give you the clues that lead us to solve the problems.

1.) What are God's intentions in Rev. 17 when he reduces the kingdoms to kings who have fallen?
2.) Why does Rev. 17 say the Beast in that chapter was of the 7 (A CLOSED GROUP it was a 7 Headed Beast not 8) but is an 8th?
3.) Why does Rev. 13 use a 7 Headed Beast for imagery? Is it real or figurative in nature?
4.) If a Head of a FIGURATIVE BEAST is wounded, doesn't that mean the FIGURATIVE BEAST just goes away? For awhile.
5.) Why are there CROWNS on the 7 Heads in Rev. 12 CROWNS on the 10 Hornsin Rev. 13 and NO CROWNS n Rev. 17 ?

THE REVEAL:

1.) God reduces the 7 kingdoms to 7 kings who fall to let us know the last Beast will be a MAN, not a Kingdom per see. And he rules only 42 months (SHORT TIME or ONE HOUR) unlike all the other Beasts who passed their kingdoms down to others, this Beast will be stopped by Jesus Christ and cast straight into hellfire. (Dan. 7:11 and Rev. 19:20 both say this)

2.) It says he's of the 6 (From Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome.......then also of the Anti-Christ (7th) and this is almost a 3000-year span of time. Common sense tells us this Beast power is not human, but a Demonic spirit who was over Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome...........then placed in the bottomless pit by God for nigh 2000 years (Mortal Wound).......then he's released at the 1st Woe..........then he is over the Anti-Christ once again, thus he is "OF THE 7" and he is the king of the bottomless pit or in other words, he is also a KING, just not a king on this earth which is Satan's prized possession, he's an underling to Satan on this earth, thus Satan has 7 CROWNS in Rev. 12 and Apollyon (the Scarlet Colored Beast) the Revelation 17 Beast has NO CROWNS. Thus he's of the 7 (Satan placed him as a Demonic prince or "PRINCIPALITY" over the region), and he was IMHO, the prince of Persia who resited Micheal for 21 days in Daniel chapter 10. Men do not rise from a pit. God placed Apollyon in the pit, his job was to DESTROY Israel, thus they called him "The Destroyer" which is what Apollyon means in Greek.

3.) So why a 7 Headed Beast that represents a time span of almost 3000 years from Egypt to the Anti-Christ? God did this in order to let us know this was not a human battle per se (we wrestle not with flesh and blood but against spiritual wickedness in high places, with principalities, etc...) So, we have to understand what a Beast means in the bible, it simply means an Animal that DOMINATES over a territory. These 7 Heads all DOMINATE over the Mediterranean Sea Region, thus they all arise out of the Sea in Daniel chapter 7. Each kingdom successively took over more and more of the Mediterranean Sea Coastline until Rome held every square inch from Spain or Gibraltar to all of the North African Coastline. See the difference between Greece and Rome BELOW:

Notice how Alexander the Great's kingdom stretched more toward the east, and he only conquered about half the coastline, if that.



Meanwhile, Rome Conquered every inch of the Mediterranean Sea Coastline.



So, the Fourth Beast, as per the Mediterranean Sea Region, was far fiercer in nature, he dominated the WHOLE REGION. The coming Anti-Christ is said to come out of the Fourth Beasts head for one reason, on a map, he will have an identical kingdom to the one above (Fourth Beast), just add the European Union together with those kingdoms he Conquers in Daniel 11:40-43 and we have a clear picture of who this man's kingdom will look like, but we already have a MAP of this because the E.U. has entered 7-year Agreements via the European Neighborhood Policy agreements, and we can see what it would look like if the E.U. Conquered all of those Nations SEE BELOW:


On the above map, ENP stands for European Neighborhood Policy. Now go to Wikipedia and you will see the E.U. currently has 7-year agreements that ran from 2007-2013 and from 2014-2020 with Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and Libya. Now, go look at Daniel 11:40-43, he conquers MANY COUNTRIES, not just Israel, he conquers all of North Africa also. Now we also know why Daniel 8:25 says e destroys MANY by peace, and why Daniel 9:27 says he makes a covenant (AGREEMENT) with MANY !! Because to be a Beast you have to rule the Mediterranean Sea Region.

Thus the 7-Headed Beast is a figurative image of all 7 Beasts who rule over Israel while she is an ENTITY. From Egypt to Rome, then Israel was no more for nigh 2000 years because God stated she was as DEAD MEN'S BONES and did not exist in His eyes, thus the Diaspora. That is what the Mortal Wound means, there was no Israel, thus no one could Beast over Israel, and the Church came into being and we DELIVERED that Mortal Wound to Rome, we changed them from an Anti-God Beast to a people who were like unto a conveyor belt for the Gospel, the Latin Vulgate was the main Bible used for over a 1000 years to spread the Gospel to the world.

So, the Mortal Wound is to the FIGURATIVE BEAST, not to a man, why would anyone think that via the imagery we are given of a Beast with 7 Heads? If one of the Beast Heads is Wounded, the 7 Headed Beast goes away for a time then is resurrected, it doesn't mean one man dies and is resurrected. So, as long as the Church is on earth there will be no Beast, but notice as soon as Israel was reborn in 1948, the Council of Rome came into being in the 1950s (LOL). So, God raises up Israel's Dead Bones and only then is Europe allowed to start reforming as one entity via the European Union. As soon as the Church is Raptured (about a billion people all die at once) the 70th week will start, then in the middle of that week, an asteroid will strike the earth, and that is the cue this man needs to break all his agreements, he goes forth Conquering (Dan. 11:40-43) while the rest of the world is dealing with the chaos. No man gets killed and is raised from the dead, the Mortal Wound was to the SEVEN HEADED BEAST !! As soon as he Conquers Israel AND the whole Mediterranean Sea Region the WOUND will be healed, the 7 Headed Beast will be in operation once again !!

4.) CONTINUED

 

[Rondonmon]

CONTINUED

4.) I think I answered this in #3 above, to be honest.

5.) In Rev. 12 we are told who the Dragon is and where he resides, thus a SIGN in Heaven. He has CROWNS on the 7 Heads because he of course os over the whole world as Luke 4 shows us, he offered it all tho Christ. Apollyon is his underling on earth.

In Rev. 13 we see a Beast who is a MAN with a Kingdom, he has 10 under him (10 simply means COMPLETENESS, thus ALL of Europe gives their kingdoms not him) and they make AGREEMENTS (Covenant in Hebrew simply means agreements) with everyone in the Mediterranean Sea Region. Thus he has 10 CROWNS on the horns, and he is one of the 7 HEADS.

In Rev. 17, Apollyon is the Scarlet Colored Beast (a Demon) he was (over Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome) he IS NOT (he's in the bottomless pit as we speak) but he YET IS (he will once again be over the Anti-Christ when he's freed from the pit). NOTICE: The Scarlet Colored Beast has NO CROWNS, thus designates him as being under Satan in the Spiritual realm on this earth, and it shows he is not a HUMAN BEING with a Kingdom this earth, but he s an 8th in that he is a king of the bottomless pit who always Beasted over the Mediterranean Sea Region in every instance where Israel was conquered.

The CROWNS DESIGNATE who the east is in each case, and where he resides. Satan is in Heaven thus we see a SIGN IN HEAVEN. The Anti-Christ is a human being thus we see he ARISES out o the Sea. And Apollyon the Scarlet Colored Beast is from the bottomless pit.

 

[ewq1938]

There's so many thing wrong in this post but the main things are that Revelation 17 says the heads are mountains where kingdoms/horns exist so the heads are areas of land not people. Second, all 7 mountains exist at the same time for the Revelation 13:1 beast. The heads do not come and go like you are suggesting. The heads/mountains exist today and I believe them to be the 7 continents where current kingdoms and governments reside. When the Great Tribulation begins, there will be new kings and kingdoms that will rule the world with the beast.

Remember that when the beast comes to power, ALL SEVEN HEADS ARE PRESENT and remain that way until that beast is destroyed.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

In Revelation 17:9-10 we read: "This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other [the 7th] has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while."

Okay, the 7th king will come sometime after the writing of Revelation and will remain "only a little while." Hitler and Nazis were in power twelve years; relatively speaking a very short time. Revelation 13:3 says one of the heads of the beast had a fatal wound which had been healed: "One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast." It's interesting to note that Hitler died of a gunshot wound to his head.

Revelation 17:11 describes the beast itself as an 8th head: "As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven. . ." v.8 says: "The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit. . ."

So we have a beast which "belongs to the seven" and will be fatally wounded and will rise again. This suggests that the final beast will somehow be in Hitler's image. Not a literal reincarnation necessarily; if Hitler were to be literally reincarnated no one would listen to or follow him. But the final beast will follow in the mold established by Hitler.

I'm reading a very good book called Plotting Hitler's Death: The Story of the German Resistance by Joachim Fest. On pg. 20 there's an interesting account of the mood that was present in Germany shortly after Hitler came to power:

"Wilhelm Hoegner, the future prime minister of Bavaria, recalled wandering through the streets of Munich feeling that all of a sudden they had become hostile and threatening. Helmuth von Molke's mother felt profoundly uprooted, as if she 'no longer belonged to the country.' Others have spoken of losing old friends, of an atmosphere of suspicion, of spying neighbors and the rapid disintegration of their social lives even as the alleged brotherhood of all Germans was being celebrated in delirious parades and pseudo religious services, mass swearing of oaths and vows under domes of light, addresses by the Fuhrer, nightly bonfires on hills and mountains, secular chants and hymns. All this fervor was fueled by the intense sensation that history was in the making." ​

Now let's look at some scriptures that that describe similarities between this and the reign of the Antichrist:

Hostile and threatening: "And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain."—Revelation 13:15

An atmosphere of suspicion: "You will be delivered up even by parents and brothers and relatives and friends, and some of you they will put to death."—Luke 24:16

Brotherhood of all Germans: "and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast."—Revelation 13:3

Pseudo religious services: A lot of people may not be aware that Hitler actually tried to wipe out true Christianity in Germany and replace it with a National "Christian" religion called German Christians. Dietrich Bonhoeffer was one of the true Christians who resisted Hitler and it eventually cost him his life.

Swearing of oaths and vows: "Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon. It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence, and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed."—Revelation 13:11-12

History in the making: "and they worshiped the beast, saying, 'Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?' "—Revelation 13:4

I'm sure there are plenty of other similarities between Hitler and the final beast. I might add them as I come across them.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

In Revelation 17:9-10 we read: "This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other [the 7th] has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while."

Okay, the 7th king will come sometime after the writing of Revelation and will remain "only a little while." Hitler and Nazis were in power twelve years; relatively speaking a very short time. Revelation 13:3 says one of the heads of the beast had a fatal wound which had been healed: "One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast." It's interesting to note that Hitler died of a gunshot wound to his head.

Revelation 17:11 describes the beast itself as an 8th head: "As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven. . ." v.8 says: "The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit. . ."

So we have a beast which "belongs to the seven" and will be fatally wounded and will rise again. This suggests that the final beast will somehow be in Hitler's image. Not a literal reincarnation necessarily; if Hitler were to be literally reincarnated no one would listen to or follow him. But the final beast will follow in the mold established by Hitler.

I'm reading a very good book called Plotting Hitler's Death: The Story of the German Resistance by Joachim Fest. On pg. 20 there's an interesting account of the mood that was present in Germany shortly after Hitler came to power:

"Wilhelm Hoegner, the future prime minister of Bavaria, recalled wandering through the streets of Munich feeling that all of a sudden they had become hostile and threatening. Helmuth von Molke's mother felt profoundly uprooted, as if she 'no longer belonged to the country.' Others have spoken of losing old friends, of an atmosphere of suspicion, of spying neighbors and the rapid disintegration of their social lives even as the alleged brotherhood of all Germans was being celebrated in delirious parades and pseudo religious services, mass swearing of oaths and vows under domes of light, addresses by the Fuhrer, nightly bonfires on hills and mountains, secular chants and hymns. All this fervor was fueled by the intense sensation that history was in the making." ​

Now let's look at some scriptures that that describe similarities between this and the reign of the Antichrist:

Hostile and threatening: "And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain."—Revelation 13:15

An atmosphere of suspicion: "You will be delivered up even by parents and brothers and relatives and friends, and some of you they will put to death."—Luke 24:16

Brotherhood of all Germans: "and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast."—Revelation 13:3

Pseudo religious services: A lot of people may not be aware that Hitler actually tried to wipe out true Christianity in Germany and replace it with a National "Christian" religion called German Christians. Dietrich Bonhoeffer was one of the true Christians who resisted Hitler and it eventually cost him his life.

Swearing of oaths and vows: "Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon. It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence, and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed."—Revelation 13:11-12

History in the making: "and they worshiped the beast, saying, 'Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?' "—Revelation 13:4

I'm sure there are plenty of other similarities between Hitler and the final beast. I might add them as I come across them.

interesting read thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts

I’m reminded that from Egypt and pharaoh , to Babylon and nebucadnezzar, zurxys and Persia , Alexander and Greece , to Nero and Rome , all the way to hitler and Germany , America and it’s leaders , China and mao to present day xi jin ping and the reincarnation of the Chinese communist party

it seems like a consistent pattern that God sets man in power over nations , and the man turns to wickedness and curses the nations he rules he then such as pharaoh is brought down in bitter end in a moment , and then afterwards another rises in his place , another ruler and another land comes into power and the process repeats itself from ten beginning of the world when Adam was given the power and dominion and turned

it’s a quagmire , a perpetual thing that a beast rises and rules , and so God revealed the solution in Christ

“I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7:13-14‬ ‭

all the rulers and kingdoms in earth will
Come with blessing and power and end with cursing and desolation but the kingdom of God will stand forever so with its king

 

[ResidentAlien]

Is there anyone who has ever thought about this except me? I like hearing everyone's ideas, but I'd especially like to hear from others who may have had this same idea and hear your thoughts. What scriptures are there that lend credence to the theory?

 

[Rondonmon]

Beginning in Daniel 11:21 to the end of the chapter is a description of a person generally believed to be the Antichrist. Daniel 11:21 says:

"but he shall come in peaceably, and seize the kingdom by intrigue."

This is exactly how Hitler came to power, peaceably and through legal channels, using manipulation and deception. This is another good example of Hitler as a foreshadowing of the Antichrist. There are other interesting similarities in the rest of Daniel 11.

The biggest problem is Daniel 11:21-45 is not one man. Verses 21-33 maybe 34 is Antiochus, verses 35 and maybe even 34 is the 2000 plus year transition from Antiochus, through the Churh Age (MANY are Purged and made White says verse 35, even until the end) then verse 36 starts the Anti-Christ and he runs through verse 45. Jesus is the Man in Linen in Daniel 12 so he's with Gabriel and the other angel in this vision from Daniel chapter 10 through Dan. 12. So, Jesus/Gabriel is telling us many are made white, THEN COMES THE END, then the King of the North is the End Time Anti-Christ.

Likewise, in Matt. 24 in verse 6 Jesus warns the END (70th week) is not yet, then he tells them when the end will come, Verses 4-6 is the 70 AD events, verses 7-14 is the Church Age and the Disciples destiny of being all killed, save John, Jesus warns then to endure until the end [of their lives, as Paul stated, it's a Marathon]. Then in verse 14 were are again clearly told what brings the end, when the Gospel shall be preached unto ALL THE WORLD, then the end (70th week) will come.

Notice how beautifully both fit together when one stops to think it through !! In Daniel 11:35 many are PURGED and made WHITE, all the way to the END, because as he tells Daniel that is for a time [yet to be] appointed. Then in Matt. 24, it says the same thing, the Gospel must e preached unto the ends of the world (PURGING and making people WHITE), and only THEN will the END (70th Week) come, so they are both identical references when one knows what they are looking for.

I have done an Exegesis on the whole chapter (Daniel 11) that shows who each king was, how he came to power. who helped, what the palace intrigue was in every case.

As per Hitler, I don't think anyone agrees brother. When the Anti-Christ comes to power a great asteroid has to hit (Rev. 8) which destroys 1/3 of the world, to a certain degree or affects 1/3 of the world, in a major way.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I learned something yesterday that's a little freaky. Heinz Linge was Hitler's valet and close personal assistant. He was the last to speak with Hitler before his death and the first person in the room afterword. According to Linge, this was the final exchange between he and Hitler:

"He said farewell to everybody and I was the last one he came to. Hitler said to me, 'I have given the order to break out. You should break out in groups. Join one of these groups and try to get through to the West.' Then I asked Hitler, 'For whom should we fight on for now?' And to that Hitler said in a monotone, 'For the coming man.' I saluted him, he gave me his hand I disappeared out of the room."​

The coming man? Was Hitler referring to his immediate successor? That was Hermann Göering. But this doesn't really make sense given that he knew Germany’s surrender was imminent. On top of this, Göering had infuriated Hitler by sending him a telegram in essence requesting that he step down and allow him to take over. The result of this was as follows:

"On 25 April, Hitler issued a telegram to Göring telling him that he had committed 'high treason' and gave him the option of resigning all of his offices 'for reasons of health', in exchange for his life. Göring subsequently resigned. However, [Martin] Bormann soon ordered the SS in Obersalzberg to arrest Göring."​

Whatever claim Göering may have had as Hitler's successor was now gone. I believe Hitler's comment was far more sinister. He was inspired by Satan himself to utter those words, and it's a reference to the coming Antichrist.

The Linge quote is excerpted from the following video. It starts at 16:07.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Sometime between ad64 and ad96(debated dates of the Revelation) the angel states in Revelation 17:8 that "the beast that you saw was (past tense) and not is (present tense) and is about to come up out of the Abyss..." So some time prior to the time John saw the vision the 8th beast had existed,,but did not at that time(was in the Abyss at that time) in other words the beast your looking for(the 8th head) has to have existed before the Revelation was seen. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/17-8.htm

Amen !the eigth king did exist prior he was one of the original seven beginning with nebucadnezzar and Babylon . So from that time to johns time one of those ruling kingdoms will rise again to be the eigth of the seven

“And the beast that was, ( past) and is not,( present ) even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:11‬ ‭

so we can also determine he isn’t the sixth king that was ruling in johns day Nero or titus of Rome.

he also will when he returns have complete rule over ten other future kings which three he will uproot leaving himself and seven others making him the eighth

“And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Daniel sees other details of the same events from a more distant view so we know he will uproot or subdue three of the ten kingdoms

“And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Leaving eight kingdoms.

Daniels visions fill In a lot from revelation but so do zechariah and Ezekiel and also Isaiah and other prophets.


Revelation sort of finishes of the story imagery from all Of prophecy regarding Jesus and his kingdom which involves the things happening on earth regarding Satan and the beasts war against Christians during the time of heavens kingdom

Daniel and zechariah and Ezekiel especially have a lot to Offer regarding revelation and is helpful to
Understand the imagery John saw

 

[posthuman]

Sometime between ad64 and ad96(debated dates of the Revelation) the angel states in Revelation 17:8 that "the beast that you saw was (past tense) and not is (present tense) and is about to come up out of the Abyss..." So some time prior to the time John saw the vision the 8th beast had existed,,but did not at that time(was in the Abyss at that time) in other words the beast your looking for(the 8th head) has to have existed before the Revelation was seen. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/17-8.htm

and John marvelled - did he recognize the beast?

 

[Mem]

Is there anyone who has ever thought about this except me? I like hearing everyone's ideas, but I'd especially like to hear from others who may have had this same idea and hear your thoughts. What scriptures are there that lend credence to the theory?

I've always wondered at the possible resemblance.

 

[iamsoandso]

Amen !the eigth king did exist prior he was one of the original seven beginning with nebucadnezzar and Babylon . So from that time to johns time one of those ruling kingdoms will rise again to be the eigth of the seven

“And the beast that was, ( past) and is not,( present ) even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:11‬ ‭

so we can also determine he isn’t the sixth king that was ruling in johns day Nero or titus of Rome.

he also will when he returns have complete rule over ten other future kings which three he will uproot leaving himself and seven others making him the eighth

“And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Daniel sees other details of the same events from a more distant view so we know he will uproot or subdue three of the ten kingdoms

“And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Leaving eight kingdoms.

Daniels visions fill In a lot from revelation but so do zechariah and Ezekiel and also Isaiah and other prophets.


Revelation sort of finishes of the story imagery from all Of prophecy regarding Jesus and his kingdom which involves the things happening on earth regarding Satan and the beasts war against Christians during the time of heavens kingdom

Daniel and zechariah and Ezekiel especially have a lot to Offer regarding revelation and is helpful to
Understand the imagery John saw

Now look for the head that received the wound by the sword,,,that was in the pit in Revelation 17:8(when John saw the vision),,,who received the wound and was given it's kingdom back when man said "let us make an image of the beast" that was,is not,,,yet shall be...(ascend out of the pit).

 

[iamsoandso]

and John marvelled - did he recognize the beast?

yes in fact he marveled at it but then the angel ask him why and explained it to him...

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Now look for the head that received the wound by the sword,,,that was in the pit in Revelation 17:8(when John saw the vision),,,who received the wound and was given it's kingdom back when man said "let us make an image of the beast" that was,is not,,,yet shall be...(ascend out of the pit).

yeah there’s a ton about him in revelation for sure

I think the fact that he appears like Christ slain but yet alive , tells us why theologians started referring to him literally as the “ anti christ “ or false messiah

I think it’s really interesting that as Jesus is Gods image and rules the kingdom in heaven , the seven headed beast rises up in satans image and holds power ( not over those in Christ ) on earth in his kingdom that is “ plunged into darkness “

so you Have a sort of false trinity the dragon , the beast in his image ruled by the “ anti christ “ and the disciples and prophets of the false Christ I feel are represented by the other beast which comes up from the earth “ and has also
Power through the beast who got power from the dragon.

sort of the opposite of a Christian who believes in God through Christ and receives the power of the Holy Ghost to overcome the world

do you have any thoughts on which of the prior kingdoms will return to power ? I would love to hear any ideas I could kick around in my head but if not that’s cool too

 

[ewq1938]

In Daniel the AC overthrows 3 kings/horns. In Revelation this does not happen. Why?

This assumes that the 4th beast In Daniel 7 is the same beast of Rev 13:1 and are the last ten horned beast of this age before the Rev 19 war of Armageddon. I know some claim the beasts are two different beasts existing at two different times.

Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan_7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Dan_7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Yet when we look at Revelation we do not find any of the kings/horns being "plucked up":

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

All ten horns remain as kings with kingdoms the entire "hour" of the GT. The only time any of them fall or are subdued is when the entire beast with all ten horns and 7 heads is defeated by Christ at Armageddon.

In addition:

Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

Again, all ten kings remain fully intact and even all together attack Babylon which happens at the end or just after the end of the great tribulation. Again this shows none of the ten horns/kings are subdued as we find in Daniel.


Daniel: antichrist and 10 kings/horns turns into antichrist and 7 kings/horns because three are plucked up.
Rev: antichrist and 10 kings the entire time of the great tribulation because NONE of the 10 kings/horns are plucked up.

 

[Aaron56]

The “whore” implicates a religious system. The kings of men co-opt her influence to create a legacy, yet, she is an illegitimate wife and a thief of agency.

"Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Never!"


1My son, pay attention to my wisdom;
incline your ear to my insight,
2that you may maintain discretion
and your lips may preserve knowledge.
3Though the lips of the forbidden womana drip honey
and her speech is smoother than oil,
4in the end she is bitter as wormwood,
sharp as a double-edged sword.
5Her feet go down to death;
her steps lead straight to Sheol.
6She does not consider the path of life;
she does not know that her ways are unstable.

This woman is juxtaposed to the Bride of Christ who has made herself ready for her one husband.

 

[Blik]

There has been some world changing events in history. Some of them are the flood, or when God created the nation of Israel, or when Christ was born as a human. After Christ we have also had some life changing events such as all that happened about 1500, the printing press, Luther, the new land discovered. Each one of these events changed the world yet the people who lived the events had no idea of the long term changes they brought about.

I think in the 1940's the Lord again sent world changing events as the result of our thoughts and actions. There is a difference that almost every person has of the Jews as a result of hearing of their massacre. The dead sea scrolls were also found at this time and it has been a link between us and the people of the OT for scholars. There has even been a huge new protestant denomination founded based on the dead sea findings that shows the sameness of the OT God and the NT God rather than looking for differences.