Question: What are the vaccine hesitant looking for to convince them the vaccine is safe?

[Gideon300]

Some of us have known this "all-along"...

There is much to be said for natural immunity that most seem to ignore.

As I've said many times, you have to survive in order to have natural immunity. You might not give a damn about the sick and dying, other people do.

 

[GaryA]

As I've said many times, you have to survive in order to have natural immunity. You might not give a damn about the sick and dying, other people do.

Don't think me callous - I am not uncaring concerning the suffering of people.

I believe you have misunderstood the intent of my statement(s) - OR - someone has tricked you into believing that your God-given immune system is substandard to pharmaceutical drugs - which would be the height of absurdity.

Your God-given immune system IS your [only means of] survival. It's all you have - you cannot survive without it!

And, modern medicine is not miracle magic - it can do absolutely nothing [directly] to keep you healthy. Your immune system does that.

At best - some drugs can in some way "help" your immune system; however, they can accomplish nothing "on their own" without the immune system.

The drug 'ivermectin' - by itself - without the immune system - is worthless.

Do you understand what I am saying?

The 'spike protein' in the experimental shots will do [possible/probable permanent] harm/damage to your immune system.

You are better off to rely on your natural immune system alone.

I am not saying "no ivermectin" - for example - I am saying "no spike protein" --- i.e. - your 'unadulterated' properly-working natural immune system is your "best bet" for survival.

That is what I am saying.

 

[Gideon300]

Don't think me callous - I am not uncaring concerning the suffering of people.

I believe you have misunderstood the intent of my statement(s) - OR - someone has tricked you into believing that your God-given immune system is substandard to pharmaceutical drugs - which would be the height of absurdity.

Your God-given immune system IS your [only means of] survival. It's all you have - you cannot survive without it!

And, modern medicine is not miracle magic - it can do absolutely nothing [directly] to keep you healthy. Your immune system does that.

At best - some drugs can in some way "help" your immune system; however, they can accomplish nothing "on their own" without the immune system.

The drug 'ivermectin' - by itself - without the immune system - is worthless.

Do you understand what I am saying?

The 'spike protein' in the experimental shots will do [possible/probable permanent] harm/damage to your immune system.

You are better off to rely on your natural immune system alone.

I am not saying "no ivermectin" - for example - I am saying "no spike protein" --- i.e. - your 'unadulterated' properly-working natural immune system is your "best bet" for survival.

That is what I am saying.

The vaccine is harmless in the vast majority of cases. it is far less risky than catching the virus and hoping you survive. The vaccine simply activates the immune system without affecting the individual physically. And yes, if you did not have an immune system, there would be nothing to stimulate. And there would be no life on earth.

Vaccines have saved countless lives. Small Pox was deadly in 30% of cases. It has been eradicated due to vaccination programs. Not because of natural immunity.

 

[Subhumanoidal]

I find there aren't really many "hesitant" but rather anti-vaxers trying not to be dismissed so quickly through verbal manipulation.
It happens on this site constantly. A post goes up titled as if the person is unsure and wants to discuss it, you open the post and are bombarded with anti-vax messages. One user in particular comes to mind that seems to do this literally daily.

As a truly undecided person I can say I am waiting for... something. But what exactly that something is I don't have nailed down. For me I likely never will have it nailed down, but if I do make a final decision I'll know I've made it and why.

But one thing that works against the idea of dismissing the vax is anti-vaxers. I find they bring a lot of words but only a small percentage of them hold value in their message. Anti-vaxers tend to make me feel bullied, not informed.

The mentality seems summed up in a post I'll paraphrase on here. "We told group Y that the vax causes X effect. When X effect happened they still didn't believe the vax was bad. What's wrong with these people?"
Well left out of their version is that X happened before the vax too. Yet they were incredulous people didn't see the "evidence".
But X happened, vax or no vax.

And things like that actually cause me to doubt anti-vaxers even more.

Signed
Just released from the hospital with covid

 

[ZNP]

I find there aren't really many "hesitant" but rather anti-vaxers trying not to be dismissed so quickly through verbal manipulation.
It happens on this site constantly. A post goes up titled as if the person is unsure and wants to discuss it, you open the post and are bombarded with anti-vax messages. One user in particular comes to mind that seems to do this literally daily.

As a truly undecided person I can say I am waiting for... something. But what exactly that something is I don't have nailed down. For me I likely never will have it nailed down, but if I do make a final decision I'll know I've made it and why.

But one thing that works against the idea of dismissing the vax is anti-vaxers. I find they bring a lot of words but only a small percentage of them hold value in their message. Anti-vaxers tend to make me feel bullied, not informed.

The mentality seems summed up in a post I'll paraphrase on here. "We told group Y that the vax causes X effect. When X effect happened they still didn't believe the vax was bad. What's wrong with these people?"
Well left out of their version is that X happened before the vax too. Yet they were incredulous people didn't see the "evidence".
But X happened, vax or no vax.

And things like that actually cause me to doubt anti-vaxers even more.

Signed
Just released from the hospital with covid

I consider myself "vaccine hesitant" not because I am hesitant about this vaccine but because I have never been "anti vax" and had all the childhood shots, all the shots necessary to go to Europe and China, and all the shots necessary to be a teacher.

What I find as far as twisting words is people calling this thing a "vaccine" when it is so very different from every other vaccine I ever had.

1. Every other approved vaccine took at least 12 years of testing before getting final approval.

2. Every other approved vaccine that was mandated to me was both safe and effective. This is neither. Granted those are relative terms, some can say it is "effective for six months" but I would argue that this is only true if you use it very sparingly, once you mandate it for everyone it isn't. Others would say it is mostly safe, but again, I would argue it is less safe than getting Covid for many people, and that is the measure by which I would argue it isn't safe.

 

[ZNP]

I told several family members that I would prefer to be more careful and wait for one or two years before getting the vaccine. They asked what would convince me it was safe or not safe.

1. I want to see if the birth rates in countries that have a high vaccination rate drops significantly.

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/latest-devastating-news-on-the-vaccine

What?! 29x increase in stillborn deaths in Ontario after the vaccinations?

 

[Homewardbound]

For me, I believe the vax needs to be a personal health choice, between the person and the lord.
I do not believe anyone should be forced by the government, or their job, to get the shot. It is a freedom of choice. Forcing a person into something is dead wrong, and I wholeheartedly disagree with the whole idea.
I have not, and will not take the jab. Period. The jab is not needed for everyone. Those holding back from the jab, you have my support. It is your choice, and a good one!

 

[OneFamilyUnderGod]

I received a letter once for my child saying the medication she was on was recalled because it was found to have several cancer-causing properties in it and was deemed later by the FDA to be unsafe. My daughter was on this medication for a while.
I received another letter stating the medication i was prescribed contains "too much" rat poison and is now recalled as well...
I have began to distrust the FDA with good reason...

 

[GaryA]

The vaccine is harmless in the vast majority of cases.

Yet to be seen...

it is far less risky than catching the virus and hoping you survive.

I unwaveringly disagree.

The vaccine simply activates the immune system without affecting the individual physically.

Maybe on the "old-school" types. But, the C19 types are so different that they are not even considered to be a real vaccine (based on the long-held accepted definition) - they are something totally different.

And yes, if you did not have an immune system, there would be nothing to stimulate. And there would be no life on earth.

So - you are saying that your God-given immune system will not work [at all] unless "stimulated" by a man-made concoction???

Vaccines have saved countless lives. Small Pox was deadly in 30% of cases. It has been eradicated due to vaccination programs. Not because of natural immunity.

Not necessarily...

Nope - you still don't understand...

 

[GaryA]

I find there aren't really many "hesitant" but rather anti-vaxers trying not to be dismissed so quickly through verbal manipulation.
It happens on this site constantly. A post goes up titled as if the person is unsure and wants to discuss it, you open the post and are bombarded with anti-vax messages. One user in particular comes to mind that seems to do this literally daily.

As a truly undecided person I can say I am waiting for... something. But what exactly that something is I don't have nailed down. For me I likely never will have it nailed down, but if I do make a final decision I'll know I've made it and why.

But one thing that works against the idea of dismissing the vax is anti-vaxers. I find they bring a lot of words but only a small percentage of them hold value in their message. Anti-vaxers tend to make me feel bullied, not informed.

The mentality seems summed up in a post I'll paraphrase on here. "We told group Y that the vax causes X effect. When X effect happened they still didn't believe the vax was bad. What's wrong with these people?"
Well left out of their version is that X happened before the vax too. Yet they were incredulous people didn't see the "evidence".
But X happened, vax or no vax.

And things like that actually cause me to doubt anti-vaxers even more.

Signed
Just released from the hospital with covid

I cannot speak for all of the people you mention; however, if you will consider the possibility that most of them are simply trying to warn others about "hidden" dangers - perhaps you may "appreciate" it more.

I hope and pray that you have a speedy recovery.

 

[Gideon300]

Yet to be seen...


I unwaveringly disagree.


Maybe on the "old-school" types. But, the C19 types are so different that they are not even considered to be a real vaccine (based on the long-held accepted definition) - they are something totally different.


So - you are saying that your God-given immune system will not work [at all] unless "stimulated" by a man-made concoction???


Not necessarily...

Nope - you still don't understand...

What part of "you have to survive in order to have natural immunity" is so hard for you to understand. Maybe your faith is strong enough. What about those who are not so strong? Just let them suffer and/or die? I am appalled at your heartlessness.

 

[Gideon300]

Don't think me callous - I am not uncaring concerning the suffering of people.

I believe you have misunderstood the intent of my statement(s) - OR - someone has tricked you into believing that your God-given immune system is substandard to pharmaceutical drugs - which would be the height of absurdity.

Your God-given immune system IS your [only means of] survival. It's all you have - you cannot survive without it!

And, modern medicine is not miracle magic - it can do absolutely nothing [directly] to keep you healthy. Your immune system does that.

At best - some drugs can in some way "help" your immune system; however, they can accomplish nothing "on their own" without the immune system.

The drug 'ivermectin' - by itself - without the immune system - is worthless.

Do you understand what I am saying?

The 'spike protein' in the experimental shots will do [possible/probable permanent] harm/damage to your immune system.

You are better off to rely on your natural immune system alone.

I am not saying "no ivermectin" - for example - I am saying "no spike protein" --- i.e. - your 'unadulterated' properly-working natural immune system is your "best bet" for survival.

That is what I am saying.

All the spike protein does is trick the immune system into responding as if it was a real virus. Are you are qualified virologist? Neither am I. But I can read research and have a basic understanding of how these vaccines work. By the way, the principle of these vaccines has been researched for about 20 years. It's not like they've suddenly appeared out of nowhere.

 

[Gideon300]

Yet to be seen...


I unwaveringly disagree.


Maybe on the "old-school" types. But, the C19 types are so different that they are not even considered to be a real vaccine (based on the long-held accepted definition) - they are something totally different.


So - you are saying that your God-given immune system will not work [at all] unless "stimulated" by a man-made concoction???


Not necessarily...

Nope - you still don't understand...

Further to my previous remarks:
https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/toxic-spike-protein-claims-misinterpret-vaccine-study/

 

[DavidTree]

Yet to be seen...


I unwaveringly disagree.


Maybe on the "old-school" types. But, the C19 types are so different that they are not even considered to be a real vaccine (based on the long-held accepted definition) - they are something totally different.


So - you are saying that your God-given immune system will not work [at all] unless "stimulated" by a man-made concoction???


Not necessarily...

Nope - you still don't understand...

YEAH and AMEN Brother - again i say YEAH and AMEN

Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom.
But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there.

The VAXX is pure evil from self-seeking globalist agenda driven antichrist demonic GREED.

It has no love, truth, health or place in the Temple of God

 

[DavidTree]

All the spike protein does is trick the immune system into responding as if it was a real virus. Are you are qualified virologist? Neither am I. But I can read research and have a basic understanding of how these vaccines work. By the way, the principle of these vaccines has been researched for about 20 years. It's not like they've suddenly appeared out of nowhere.

This is not truth here Dear Brother - many Doctors, Scientist of all kinds in the medical field attest to the facts that this is an abomination of science created by men/women who have departed from their oath of office to protect health and give care to God's creation.

Dr Death Fauci and others have lied and continue to lie. Our Lord tells us this: "No lie is of the truth" - 1 John

 

[ZNP]

All the spike protein does is trick the immune system into responding as if it was a real virus. Are you are qualified virologist? Neither am I. But I can read research and have a basic understanding of how these vaccines work. By the way, the principle of these vaccines has been researched for about 20 years. It's not like they've suddenly appeared out of nowhere.

How can this be if the vaccine has any positive impact at all?

This is not an accurate description of an mRNA vaccine. The vaccine is genetic code which goes into the RNA and manufactures the Spike proteins. They are toxic and even potentially deadly to the human body so the body develops antibodies for the Spike protein. But then that is the second problem, the body is developing specific antibodies for spike proteins rather than for the virus. True the original virus had spike proteins, but if it mutates so that it no longer has them the vaccine is worse than useless because your body is filled with specific antibodies that are now useless. If you keep this up with booster shot after booster shot you will convert a very effective immune system to one that is far less useful.

For example the very deadly and contagious Spanish flu pandemic lasted for about 2 years and 3 months. They did not have a vaccine so it died out due to natural immunity. It has been over 2 years and 2 months since the first death from Covid19 in Wuhan. Not only are we not over, things appear to about to start an even worse wave than we have had previously. How can this be if the vaccine has any positive impact at all?

I have already said what I would need to see to admit I am wrong about the vaccine, what I would like to know is what you need to see to admit you are wrong.

I think the evidence is in that all these vaccines, genetic engineering, shut downs, and mandates have not had a better impact than what we did with the Spanish Flu which was essentially social distance and natural immunity.

 

[ZNP]

It has been over 2 years and 2 months since the first death from Covid19 in Wuhan.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...entified-3-wuhan-lab-researchers-who-n1268327

 

[Gideon300]

How can this be if the vaccine has any positive impact at all?

This is not an accurate description of an mRNA vaccine. The vaccine is genetic code which goes into the RNA and manufactures the Spike proteins. They are toxic and even potentially deadly to the human body so the body develops antibodies for the Spike protein. But then that is the second problem, the body is developing specific antibodies for spike proteins rather than for the virus. True the original virus had spike proteins, but if it mutates so that it no longer has them the vaccine is worse than useless because your body is filled with specific antibodies that are now useless. If you keep this up with booster shot after booster shot you will convert a very effective immune system to one that is far less useful.

For example the very deadly and contagious Spanish flu pandemic lasted for about 2 years and 3 months. They did not have a vaccine so it died out due to natural immunity. It has been over 2 years and 2 months since the first death from Covid19 in Wuhan. Not only are we not over, things appear to about to start an even worse wave than we have had previously. How can this be if the vaccine has any positive impact at all?

I have already said what I would need to see to admit I am wrong about the vaccine, what I would like to know is what you need to see to admit you are wrong.

I think the evidence is in that all these vaccines, genetic engineering, shut downs, and mandates have not had a better impact than what we did with the Spanish Flu which was essentially social distance and natural immunity.

I may misunderstand exactly how the vaccine works. I am well aware of both the virtues and limitations of vaccines. I don't know to say this any more clearly: natural immunity is fine except you have to survive. Yes, Spanish Flu died out. It killed around 50 million before it did. So everyone on the planet was either naturally immune or dead.

In those days, there was no choice. If you think avoidable suffering and deaths is better than vaccination, then your thinking is screwy.
You don't have to have the vaccine. Fine. Catch the disease and get over it. Or not. But your understanding of vaccines and the immune system is just plain wrong.

Small pox killed 30% of those who caught it. At one time it was the leading cause of death. It was not stopped by natural immunity. it was wiped out by vaccination. The last known case was in Somalia in 1977. Polio could have been wiped out but some communities have a great resistance to vaccination. It seems they'd rather be on a ventilator for life than swallow a vaccine. Ignorance is not bliss. It is dangerous.

 

[GaryA]

What part of "you have to survive in order to have natural immunity" is so hard for you to understand.

What part of "you cannot survive without good natural immunity" is so hard for you to understand?

Maybe your faith is strong enough. What about those who are not so strong? Just let them suffer and/or die? I am appalled at your heartlessness.

I am not being heartless.

The answer and the solution is to build up natural immunity - the 'natural' way - God's way - through a proper balance of diet, excersise, sleep, etc.

 

[GaryA]

All the spike protein does is trick the immune system into responding as if it was a real virus. Are you are qualified virologist? Neither am I. But I can read research and have a basic understanding of how these vaccines work. By the way, the principle of these vaccines has been researched for about 20 years. It's not like they've suddenly appeared out of nowhere.

We keep telling you that these are not "vaccines" in any true historical sense. They are totally different.

Yes - researched for 20 years in order to create a 'bioweapon' to use against the people of the earth.