How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

[DavidTree]

OK Dave. You are correct. You can enjoy your morning oats now.

- John 4:34 “My food,” said Jesus, “is to do the will of him who sent me

John 6:63 "The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life."

Follow the teachings of the Savior for His Food is LIFE to all who receive them.

And never forget that "no lie comes from the Truth" - 1 John 2:21

Do you desire Truth for your soul or the poisonous but delicious sugar coated doctrines of the evil one?

 

[DavidTree]

OK Dave. You are correct. You can enjoy your morning oats now.

If you were close by i would invite you over and make you breakfast along with my selection of organic whole bean coffee, which i grind just before brewing - Delicious.

You are welcome to come over anytime Brother.

 

[walknlight]

Hey!

Paul did not say that! I have shown you that Paul said in 2 Thes. 4 that the anti-christ is revealed after the church is taken away.

.............may happen simultaneously...


Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

God Bless!

 

[Charlie24]

"that day" is a reference to the Second Coming, not the Pre-Trib Rapture.

How can that be, oyster? The antichrist rules for 7 years and the scripture plainly shows us that Christ comes to destroy the anti-christ at the Second Coming.

So how do you say that is reference to the Second Coming, being that he (the anti-christ) is being revealed?

 

[iTheophilus]

"that day" is a reference to the Second Coming, not the Pre-Trib Rapture.

Of course it is.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

You are mistaken, let's read it! Slooooowly.
2 Thes. 2:6-8
"And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Yes.

And verse 7 reads, "... until out of the midst he BECOME. [8 AND THEN (kai tote) shall that Wicked be revealed...]"







"... the one restraining at present, will restrain, until out of the midst he BECOME [G1096]. AND THEN [kai tote] shall that Wicked be revealed..."

 

[oyster67]

How can that be, oyster? The antichrist rules for 7 years and the scripture plainly shows us that Christ comes to destroy the anti-christ at the Second Coming.

So how do you say that is reference to the Second Coming, being that he (the anti-christ) is being revealed?

I believe that AC may be revealed at mid Trib.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ [EDIT to add to my Post #4066]



G1096 - [quoting from Bible Hub]


HELPS Word-studies

1096 gínomai – properly, to emerge, become, transitioning from one point (realm, condition) to another. 1096 (gínomai) fundamentally means "become" (becoming, became) so it is not an exact equivalent to the ordinary equative verb "to be" (is, was, will be) as with 1510 /eimí (1511 /eínai, 2258 /ēn).

1096 (ginomai) means "to become, and signifies a change of condition, state or place" (Vine, Unger, White, NT, 109).

M. Vincent, "1096 (gínomai) means to come into being/manifestation implying motion, movement, or growth" (at 2 Pet 1:4). Thus it is used for God's actions as emerging from eternity and becoming (showing themselves) in time (physical space).

[end quoting]


-- https://biblehub.com/greek/1096.htm






"...the one restraining at present, will restrain, until out of the midst he BECOME [G1096]. 8 AND THEN [kai tote] shall that Wicked be revealed..."






[Paul repeats this SEQUENCE 3x in this passage / context]

 

[walknlight]

Hi!

Yes.

And verse 7 reads, "... until out of the midst he BECOME. [8 AND THEN (kai tote) shall that Wicked be revealed...]"







"... the one restraining at present, will restrain, until out of the midst he BECOME [G1096]. AND THEN [kai tote] shall that Wicked be revealed..."

just looked that up.....

Have a blessed day!

 

[Charlie24]

I believe that AC may be revealed at mid Trib.

Well, it is true that the anti-christ reveals his true intentions at the mid-point of the tribulation when he sits in the temple and declares himself God. So I can see how you could view it that way.

 

[walknlight]

^ [EDIT to add to my Post #4066]
G1096 - [quoting from Bible Hub]
HELPS Word-studies

1096 gínomai – properly, to emerge, become, transitioning from one point (realm, condition) to another. 1096 (gínomai) fundamentally means "become" (becoming, became) so it is not an exact equivalent to the ordinary equative verb "to be" (is, was, will be) as with 1510 /eimí (1511 /eínai, 2258 /ēn).

1096 (ginomai) means "to become, and signifies a change of condition, state or place" (Vine, Unger, White, NT, 109).

M. Vincent, "1096 (gínomai) means to come into being/manifestation implying motion, movement, or growth" (at 2 Pet 1:4). Thus it is used for God's actions as emerging from eternity and becoming (showing themselves) in time (physical space).
[end quoting]
-- https://biblehub.com/greek/1096.htm
"...the one restraining at present, will restrain, until out of the midst he BECOME [G1096]. 8 AND THEN [kai tote] shall that Wicked be revealed..."
[Paul repeats this SEQUENCE 3x in this passage / context]

2Thess 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
2Thess 2:16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
2Thess 2:17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
God Bless!

 

[DavidTree]

^ [EDIT to add to my Post #4066]



G1096 - [quoting from Bible Hub]


HELPS Word-studies

1096 gínomai – properly, to emerge, become, transitioning from one point (realm, condition) to another. 1096 (gínomai) fundamentally means "become" (becoming, became) so it is not an exact equivalent to the ordinary equative verb "to be" (is, was, will be) as with 1510 /eimí (1511 /eínai, 2258 /ēn).

1096 (ginomai) means "to become, and signifies a change of condition, state or place" (Vine, Unger, White, NT, 109).

M. Vincent, "1096 (gínomai) means to come into being/manifestation implying motion, movement, or growth" (at 2 Pet 1:4). Thus it is used for God's actions as emerging from eternity and becoming (showing themselves) in time (physical space).

[end quoting]

-- https://biblehub.com/greek/1096.htm

"...the one restraining at present, will restrain, until out of the midst he BECOME [G1096]. 8 AND THEN [kai tote] shall that Wicked be revealed..."

[Paul repeats this SEQUENCE 3x in this passage / context]

We know from Scripture that He who now restrains is not the Church but the Holy Spirit.

HE is not the church as Paul never referred the Church as 'He', neither does the Bridegroom.
HE is not Christ as the Lord is at the Right Hand of the Father.
HE is the Holy Spirit whom satan fears greatly and has no power over or against.

When the Holy Spirit is given the unction from the Father, then HE steps aside and permits the revealing of the wicked one.

Genesis 1:2 "And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters."

Revelation 13:1 Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.

JESUS Says: But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. Matt 12:28

The Eternal Spirit of God that watches over the waters which Revelation defines as multitudes of peoples.

Genesis 1:2 "And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters."

Revelation 17:15 Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages.

 

[Absolutely]

Read these points;

2 thes 2
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 ....... that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

"Revealed" is used 3 times.

Not in power
Not seated
ONLY REVEALED.

Used 3 times.....to drive it home....but nobody notices.

 

[Charlie24]

We know from Scripture that He who now restrains is not the Church but the Holy Spirit.

HE is not the church as Paul never referred the Church as 'He', neither does the Bridegroom.
HE is not Christ as the Lord is at the Right Hand of the Father.
HE is the Holy Spirit whom satan fears greatly and has no power over or against.

When the Holy Spirit is given the unction from the Father, then HE steps aside and permits the revealing of the wicked one.

Genesis 1:2 "And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters."

Revelation 13:1 Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.

JESUS Says: But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. Matt 12:28

The Eternal Spirit of God that watches over the waters which Revelation defines as multitudes of peoples.

Genesis 1:2 "And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters."

Revelation 17:15 Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages.

You don't think it's possible that when the Holy Spirit is taken out of the way He takes His own with Him (the Church). Being that He dwells inside those believers.

 

[Absolutely]

Read these points;

2 thes 2
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 ....... that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

"Revealed" is used 3 times.

Not in power
Not seated
ONLY REVEALED.

Used 3 times.....to drive it home....but nobody notices.

1) Departure......then revealed
2)With holder removed.....then revealed
3)Power holding him back removed.....then revealed


Something taken...... declared 3 times.....then revealed.

Once we simplify it.....we unpack it.

 

[DavidTree]

Read these points;

2 thes 2
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 ....... that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

"Revealed" is used 3 times.

Not in power
Not seated
ONLY REVEALED.

Used 3 times.....to drive it home....but nobody notices.

YES Brother and the revealing is directly and irrefutably tied to his power and seating.

The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and false wonder, and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them. For this reason God will send them a powerful delusion so that they believe the lie, in order that judgment may come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness.

Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

 

[DavidTree]

You don't think it's possible that when the Holy Spirit is taken out of the way He takes His own with Him (the Church). Being that He dwells inside those believers.

This is a common, earth bound logic that fails to understand the Eternal Presence of the Holy Spirit.

The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know from where it comes and where it goes. Thus is everyone having been born of the Spirit." John 3:8

Genesis 1:2 "And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters."

Revelation 13:1 Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.

The Eternal Spirit of God that watches over the waters which Revelation defines as multitudes of peoples.

Revelation 17:15 Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages.

 

[Charlie24]

This is a common, earth bound logic that fails to understand the Eternal Presence of the Holy Spirit.

The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know from where it comes and where it goes. Thus is everyone having been born of the Spirit." John 3:8

Genesis 1:2 "And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters."

Revelation 13:1 Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.

The Eternal Spirit of God that watches over the waters which Revelation defines as multitudes of peoples.

Revelation 17:15 Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages.

Oh, I see! 10's of millions of folks worldwide are wrong because David sees no possibility of a pre-trib rapture!

Well, that's cleared up!

 

[DavidTree]

Oh, I see! 10's of millions of folks worldwide are wrong because David sees no possibility of a pre-trib rapture!

Well, that's cleared up!

pre-trib rapture never came out of the mouth of God - not one place in Scripture.

Pre-wrath rapture = ABSOLUTELY = and to await His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead—Jesus our deliverer from the coming wrath. 1 Thess 1:10

Just as the Serpent added to God's words in the Garden, so does 'pre-trib rapture' add to the Scriptures.

It goes directly against the LORD, against the Prophets, against the Apostles and against the Holy Spirit.

Last time i checked, and i check everyday, it is very BAD to go against the word's of God.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

2Thess 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
2Thess 2:16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
2Thess 2:17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
God Bless!

Amen.

And verse 15 ("Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.")
is being CONTRASTED with what verse 2 had just said,
which was basically, don't be let anyone try to convince you "that the day of the Lord IS PRESENT / IS HERE" (i.e. the time period of judgments unfolding upon the earth).

It wasn't "present" (tho their present and ongoing experiences [1:4] made this a PERFECTLY REASONABLE thing for them to be convinced of as being "true" [tho being untrue]), and Paul elaborates on that point in this context.




[again, he repeats this SEQUENCE 3x in this passage]