How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

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^ Well, I agree in one sense... the "one taken, the other left" passages are not referring to the "rapture / harpazo / snatch / caught-up / caught-away [G726]" thing ;)

(aka "OUR episynagoges UNTO HIM"... which will be "IN THE AIR"... unlike the above references which do not speak of this).
it says in Matthew 24" one taken the other left, therefore watch and be ready for you know not when the son of man cometh" so yes ,it is without any doubt, and vividly portrayed as the pre-trib rapture
 

Gideon300

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No one taught a pre-trib rapture until John Darby, and Anglican preacher, in the mid 1800s. So the teaching is relatively new. Now, being new does not necessarily mean a teaching is defunct: while God never changes, He reveals knowledge and understanding in a progressive manner. Things that we have not contemplated before, suddenly come alive to us in the scriptures. So, while the ideas are new to us, they were always established in the mind of God.

But the manner is which things are "revealed" should be examined. So let's look at the manner in which the doctrine of the pre-trib rapture came to be a Baptist staple.

Dwight Young, professor emeritus at Brandeis University of Near Eastern and Judaic Studies, personally corresponded with a friend of mine several years ago. My friend was a young lawyer ( as an aside, had George Bush Senior been elected for a second term, there is a good possibility that my friend would have been chosen as a state supreme court judge.) Dwight was a student at Dallas Theological Seminary at the same time Hal Lindsey studied there, so this is more than 50 years ago or so. They were graduate students.

Dwight said the professors were discussing Darbyism, and whether or not it was a valid theology. This graduate student, Hal Lindsey, wrote a master’s thesis on the subject of this form of dispensationalism and the rapture. He later turned that thesis into a book called The Late Great Planet Earth. Now some of you may not know about this book, but it was a runaway bestseller. It made a lot of money. According to Dwight, that is where the Baptists made the switch. They saw that there was a market for this doctrine, and they ran with it. Dwight later moved up to and was a professor of biblical studies, biblical languages at Brandeis University, from which he retired, and he was in a state of retirement when my friend met him. So, 50 years from the writing of a master's thesis, the teaching is so entrenched in the Baptist circles you would think it was the gospel.

Historically, nobody ever thought of this doctrine before Darby. But once he popularized it in the context of dispensationalism, meaning things wrap up within blocks of time, people began to embrace it because they did not have to trust the Holy Spirit. If you are going to have any measure of understanding of prophetic Scripture, the end from the beginning and where we are at this point in time, you are going to have to walk in the Spirit. He is the One who wrote the Book; He is the One who is perfectly capable of interpreting it. And the folly of logic and reason and man-made constructs, such as dispensationalism, will lead you to increasing folly, such as the rapture.

God knows the end from the beginning, and the greatest moment of the Body of Christ is in the midst of the darkness in Revelation. That darkness has no potential to blunt our display of the glory of God, the radiance of God’s glory, or to represent Him exactly. It has no ability to influence that at all. This is the time for the glory of what God has been doing, when He established the heavens and the earth for the purpose of establishing a corporate man in creation so that He might be seen in creation as who He is. He is on a path wherein not only will He show who He is in all of His glory through the corporate body, but He will bring the enemy to judgment as well.

Grace and Peace,

Aaron56
John Darby was one of the Plymouth Brethren. Not Anglican. He translated the New Testament, so he was not a theological lightweight, unlike some of his critics. Your analysis makes a gratuitous assumption as to why people embraced the pre-trib idea.

Christians have been trying to make sense of the Bible from the beginning. I agree that the Holy Spirit is there to lead us into truth. There are numbers of people who have produced a "Systematic Theology", many commentators and many who seek to help people understand God's word. Lord Jesus appointed teachers to the body. Not all are gifted to teach. Not all who claim to be teachers are such in reality.

There are many different points of view, many interpretations, and many brilliant scholars presenting different understandings. They can't all be right. And it makes zero difference to most people's lives. There are more important things than being exact in doctrinal understanding. The fruit of the Spirit is far superior to "correct" doctrine. One day, all will be clear. Some will be shown to be right and others to have misunderstood. And no one will care. Least of all God.

I personally agree with a conditional pre-trib rapture. The church has the power and authority of Christ on this earth. In effect, we represent Him, or at least, we should. Some are much more active in spiritual warfare than others. Something has to nullify the authority and power of the true church. A pre-trib rapture will achieve that. We will find out in God's good time.
 
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John Darby was one of the Plymouth Brethren. Not Anglican. He translated the New Testament, so he was not a theological lightweight, unlike some of his critics. Your analysis makes a gratuitous assumption as to why people embraced the pre-trib idea.

Christians have been trying to make sense of the Bible from the beginning. I agree that the Holy Spirit is there to lead us into truth. There are numbers of people who have produced a "Systematic Theology", many commentators and many who seek to help people understand God's word. Lord Jesus appointed teachers to the body. Not all are gifted to teach. Not all who claim to be teachers are such in reality.

There are many different points of view, many interpretations, and many brilliant scholars presenting different understandings. They can't all be right. And it makes zero difference to most people's lives. There are more important things than being exact in doctrinal understanding. The fruit of the Spirit is far superior to "correct" doctrine. One day, all will be clear. Some will be shown to be right and others to have misunderstood. And no one will care. Least of all God.

I personally agree with a conditional pre-trib rapture. The church has the power and authority of Christ on this earth. In effect, we represent Him, or at least, we should. Some are much more active in spiritual warfare than others. Something has to nullify the authority and power of the true church. A pre-trib rapture will achieve that. We will find out in God's good time.
It is wonderful to have ideas and reflection upon the Bible, as long as that reflection does not contradict clear Scripture.
Human reasoning can do a lot of harm, as you even stated.

You need to first identify what the Lord specifically said about His Return, then examine what the Apostles built upon that and then examine what the Prophets said as well, after that you then read Revelation.

7 Steps to Discovery

NOTICE - Scripture = the LORD, the Apostles and the Prophets will AGREE = 2Peter 1:16-21

IDENTIFY the root cause of the confusion and division. = Genesis ch3 , Matt 16:21-23 , Matt 4:4 , Acts 20:25-31

OBEY the eternal commandment which we all must. = Deut 4:1-2 , Proverbs 30:5-6 , Revelation 22:18-19

HEED the warning of God. Proverbs 30:5-6 , Revelation 22:18-19

REPENT from believing religious/carnal views that are contrary to Scripture(we are ALL included here)

LOVE God with all your heart mind and soul

LOVE your neighbor as yourself
 

oyster67

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No one is saying it is a fantasy novel. My point is simply that the vision John sees are representations--and we need to be careful how we interpret them and not take the representations themselves literally.
We take things literally because there is every reason to and no reason not to. Once we start spiritualizing and figuratizing everything, all we are left with is Swiss cheese that one can spin in any direction one wants. Absolute Truth is lost forever. This is the agenda of the Evil One. I like to be agreeable with people, but I must tell the truth.
 
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John Darby was one of the Plymouth Brethren. Not Anglican. He translated the New Testament, so he was not a theological lightweight, unlike some of his critics. Your analysis makes a gratuitous assumption as to why people embraced the pre-trib idea.

Christians have been trying to make sense of the Bible from the beginning. I agree that the Holy Spirit is there to lead us into truth. There are numbers of people who have produced a "Systematic Theology", many commentators and many who seek to help people understand God's word. Lord Jesus appointed teachers to the body. Not all are gifted to teach. Not all who claim to be teachers are such in reality.

There are many different points of view, many interpretations, and many brilliant scholars presenting different understandings. They can't all be right. And it makes zero difference to most people's lives. There are more important things than being exact in doctrinal understanding. The fruit of the Spirit is far superior to "correct" doctrine. One day, all will be clear. Some will be shown to be right and others to have misunderstood. And no one will care. Least of all God.

I personally agree with a conditional pre-trib rapture. The church has the power and authority of Christ on this earth. In effect, we represent Him, or at least, we should. Some are much more active in spiritual warfare than others. Something has to nullify the authority and power of the true church. A pre-trib rapture will achieve that. We will find out in God's good time.
Exactly.

The eschatology we embrace effects the way we interpret the Bible. Having a misplaced View of end times will lead one into arenas of the Bible that are confusing
 
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It is wonderful to have ideas and reflection upon the Bible, as long as that reflection does not contradict clear Scripture.
Human reasoning can do a lot of harm, as you even stated.

You need to first identify what the Lord specifically said about His Return, then examine what the Apostles built upon that and then examine what the Prophets said as well, after that you then read Revelation.

7 Steps to Discovery

NOTICE - Scripture = the LORD, the Apostles and the Prophets will AGREE = 2Peter 1:16-21

IDENTIFY the root cause of the confusion and division. = Genesis ch3 , Matt 16:21-23 , Matt 4:4 , Acts 20:25-31

OBEY the eternal commandment which we all must. = Deut 4:1-2 , Proverbs 30:5-6 , Revelation 22:18-19

HEED the warning of God. Proverbs 30:5-6 , Revelation 22:18-19

REPENT from believing religious/carnal views that are contrary to Scripture(we are ALL included here)

LOVE God with all your heart mind and soul

LOVE your neighbor as yourself
Result is ;
pretrib rapture verses 8

Postrib rapture verses 0

So yes...i do agree
 
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Result is ;
pretrib rapture verses 8

Postrib rapture verses 0

So yes...i do agree
Good Morning,
Breakfast on me this week - Panera Bread - all pre-trib's welcome, you are required to bring the Holy Spirit with you.
Guest seating for only 5 so first come first serve.
If you do not show up, i am assuming you were raptured.
PEACE
 

oyster67

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Good Morning,
Breakfast on me this week - Panera Bread - all pre-trib's welcome, you are required to bring the Holy Spirit with you.
Guest seating for only 5 so first come first serve.
If you do not show up, i am assuming you were raptured.
PEACE
I see you already have plenty of ham, so I'll bring some of momma @Laura798 's fresh-squeezed beetle juice along.
 

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Thanks for the spanks. What would I do without you, dear?
We all need them from time to time --me included. But so few are humble enough to take them--I'll admit I was a runner when I was a kid....and my grandmother raised sooo.....;)
 

oyster67

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We all need them from time to time --me included. But so few are humble enough to take them--I'll admit I was a runner when I was a kid....and my grandmother raised sooo.....;)
I can remember running around the kitchen table whilst my mother tried to catch me so she could spank me. I was a baaad, baaad, boy. :rolleyes::sneaky:
 
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I can remember running around the kitchen table whilst my mother tried to catch me so she could spank me. I was a baaad, baaad, boy. :rolleyes::sneaky:
ditto - except it was not my mom but my day and that meant 'run as fast as you can'