Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.
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John146 said:
Have you ever thought that Jesus was referring to a Jewish rapture and no th3 body of Christ? These passages are all concerning Israel.
In addition, the Bible teaches that there is ONLY ONE resurrection for the saved, and one for the unsaved.
Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.
This is extremely important. We know that with "resurrection" there is a "rapture" as well. So, the Bible says there is ONE event that will include the "rapture".
So now we can easily locate WHEN the "rapture" will occur; which is when the SINGLE resurrection occurs.
Since Acts 24:15 shows just TWO total resurrections, one for saved and one for unsaved, we can easily understand what Rev 20:5 teaches.
5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
The red words refers to the resurrection of the unsaved, when they will appear AFTER the Millennial reign of Christ before the GWT judgment of Rev 20, before being cast into the lake of fire.
The blue words refers back to v.4 and the Tribulational martyrs. So we know exactly WHEN the saved are both resurrected AND "raptured". After the Tribulation when Christ comes back at the Second Advent.
Have you ever thought that Jesus was referring to a Jewish rapture and no th3 body of Christ? These passages are all concerning Israel.
In addition, the Bible teaches that there is ONLY ONE resurrection for the saved, and one for the unsaved.
Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.
This is extremely important. We know that with "resurrection" there is a "rapture" as well. So, the Bible says there is ONE event that will include the "rapture".
So now we can easily locate WHEN the "rapture" will occur; which is when the SINGLE resurrection occurs.
Since Acts 24:15 shows just TWO total resurrections, one for saved and one for unsaved, we can easily understand what Rev 20:5 teaches.
5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
The red words refers to the resurrection of the unsaved, when they will appear AFTER the Millennial reign of Christ before the GWT judgment of Rev 20, before being cast into the lake of fire.
The blue words refers back to v.4 and the Tribulational martyrs. So we know exactly WHEN the saved are both resurrected AND "raptured". After the Tribulation when Christ comes back at the Second Advent.
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FreeGrace2 said:
I don't understand what your are trying to say. Sin unfolds on earth, along with Satan's deception of the whole world.
How is that supposed to be "played out" in heaven?
Do you have any verses that informed you of your view? If not, where did it come from?
Then why believe what you don't understand?
I don't understand what your are trying to say. Sin unfolds on earth, along with Satan's deception of the whole world.
How is that supposed to be "played out" in heaven?
Do you have any verses that informed you of your view? If not, where did it come from?
Then why believe what you don't understand?
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"""This is extremely important. We know that with "resurrection" there is a "rapture" as well. So, the Bible says there is ONE event that will include the "rapture".
So now we can easily locate WHEN the "rapture" will occur...."""
In mat 24
Jesus placed the second coming on horses AFTER the trib.
Later in the same chapter;
Jesus placed the rapture "before the flood"..pretrib as well as the one taken/ left. (Before the flood).....AHEM....accompanied by " WATCH AND BE READY"
Then 3 minutes later jesus places the rapture (5 wise virgins) in a pretrib setting.
But i know.....that needs changing huh?
So now we can easily locate WHEN the "rapture" will occur...."""
In mat 24
Jesus placed the second coming on horses AFTER the trib.
Later in the same chapter;
Jesus placed the rapture "before the flood"..pretrib as well as the one taken/ left. (Before the flood).....AHEM....accompanied by " WATCH AND BE READY"
Then 3 minutes later jesus places the rapture (5 wise virgins) in a pretrib setting.
But i know.....that needs changing huh?
Brother, I believe this to be a promise from God!
Prov. 1:23
"Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you."
This promise is for anyone who dares to prove God!
If a man allows his steps to ordered by the Lord, allowing the Holy Spirit to point out what is wrong, and that man turns from that wrong, God will give you the desires of the heart.
If a man desires to know the words of God, this is how you get it!
Prov. 1:23
"Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you."
This promise is for anyone who dares to prove God!
If a man allows his steps to ordered by the Lord, allowing the Holy Spirit to point out what is wrong, and that man turns from that wrong, God will give you the desires of the heart.
If a man desires to know the words of God, this is how you get it!
Change your way of looking at Scripture by taking of the distorted looking glass of 'pre-trib' which is NEVER mentioned or stated in Scripture.
The world, leading up to Noah entering the Ark, was in great tribulation as never seen before.
You have yet to be illuminated by HS7 as to Jesus saying
"“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. "
The world, leading up to Noah entering the Ark, was in great tribulation as never seen before.
You have yet to be illuminated by HS7 as to Jesus saying
"“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. "
Speaking of "once", the Bible clearly teaches that the resurrection of the saved occurs ONCE. There are NOT muliples of resurrections, or waves, or stages, or series of resurrections of the saved.
But pretribbers, who believe in a pretrib rapture MUST believe that.
Really? Can you back up your statement if you believe there are more than one resurrection of the saved?
Since I study the Bible intently, I sure want to know everything it teaches. So please help me out.
But pretribbers, who believe in a pretrib rapture MUST believe that.
Really? Can you back up your statement if you believe there are more than one resurrection of the saved?
Since I study the Bible intently, I sure want to know everything it teaches. So please help me out.
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