God's Sabbath Rest - Mission Impossible
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This is a false hope and a false gospel -
i suggest you renew your mind with this: Ephesians 2:1-10
And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2in which you once walked according to the [a]course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
4But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
i suggest you renew your mind with this: Ephesians 2:1-10
And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2in which you once walked according to the [a]course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
4But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
I’m I’m not sure why your saying Gods law is a tool . It’s a law. What do you mean by tool ?
he requires perfection to enter the kingdom ? Can you sort of show the roots in scripture of this ? I honestly am not following what you mean there about a tool and God requiring perfection
and you believe we can achieve e same perfection of Christ ?
he requires perfection to enter the kingdom ? Can you sort of show the roots in scripture of this ? I honestly am not following what you mean there about a tool and God requiring perfection
and you believe we can achieve e same perfection of Christ ?
If you dwell on what he is saying - it is frightening in the light of how serious and deadly the Law was/is.
Brother, have you been picking up on some things here.
The REST of God comes and people are still looking to earn favor with God - crazy.
Do you remember this - HS7 - when i said if you see this it is my abbreviation of the Holy Spirit.
Brother, have you been picking up on some things here.
The REST of God comes and people are still looking to earn favor with God - crazy.
Do you remember this - HS7 - when i said if you see this it is my abbreviation of the Holy Spirit.
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Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
The Sabbath was one of many things that were shadows of things to come which means they would be fulfilled and replaced with something much greater.
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
The Sabbath was one of many things that were shadows of things to come which means they would be fulfilled and replaced with something much greater.
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I believe it’s sister blick but not positive.
A lot of Christians don’t understand the seperation of the two covenants like the Jews didn’t at first
the thing is if we as an individual insist on the law it means we’re putting our own self back under it which is not a good thing at all as you know
i was actually really curious as to what she was saying about the law being a tool often we don’t understand what the other person is saying because they are using phrases unfamiliar to us and we are using terms not familiar to them
sometimes there’s agreement more than we know but terms and how we speak causes confusion we’re all from different places and have learned how to express words differently
if she’s saying we can learn from the law I agree it’s useful indeed in some ways it just has no authority over us we aren’t beholden to a single word of it its formoir leerning about what Christ has done for us
we learn about the atonement in its pattern , the priesthood in its pattern , the intercessor and mediator in its pattern ect it helps us understand e gospel for sure
im not sure what it’s a tool
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A lot of Christians don’t understand the seperation of the two covenants like the Jews didn’t at first
the thing is if we as an individual insist on the law it means we’re putting our own self back under it which is not a good thing at all as you know
i was actually really curious as to what she was saying about the law being a tool often we don’t understand what the other person is saying because they are using phrases unfamiliar to us and we are using terms not familiar to them
sometimes there’s agreement more than we know but terms and how we speak causes confusion we’re all from different places and have learned how to express words differently
if she’s saying we can learn from the law I agree it’s useful indeed in some ways it just has no authority over us we aren’t beholden to a single word of it its formoir leerning about what Christ has done for us
we learn about the atonement in its pattern , the priesthood in its pattern , the intercessor and mediator in its pattern ect it helps us understand e gospel for sure
im not sure what it’s a tool
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yeah it’s definately terrifying I would not want to live under Moses law in fact I would have been stoned to death many years ago many times over if I was under it stuff of nightmares really
it would be terrible to have to witness against and stone your neighbors each time they disobeyed the law I remember once I realized that the witnesses had to be the first ones to cast the first stone. But it wasn’t about mercy a direct command that it must be done
And I think I do remember that yeah .
it would be terrible to have to witness against and stone your neighbors each time they disobeyed the law I remember once I realized that the witnesses had to be the first ones to cast the first stone. But it wasn’t about mercy a direct command that it must be done
And I think I do remember that yeah .
what do you mean when you say it’s a tool ? Are you saying this ?
“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”
2 Timothy 3:16 KJV
if so I agree d understand what you mean it’s not at all useless if we understand it is not our law but is useful to teach Christians about Christ and the gospel
“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”
2 Timothy 3:16 KJV
if so I agree d understand what you mean it’s not at all useless if we understand it is not our law but is useful to teach Christians about Christ and the gospel
A dead law has no power and cannot be used. It is dead. After it's death, it decayeth which is not much time means it completely decomposes and is gone. A new law has replaced it as part of a new covenant.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
A major part of history is telling us of the laws of the kingdom of heaven. You are saying that this major part of scripture is dead and of no use to us. That does not make sense at all.
As I read Jeremiah telling of the new covenant, it says the law is written on our hearts, it does not say that the new covenant destroys the law.
God wrote the old covenant that He replaced with the new one that is better. You say that God destroyed what God had created. If God is not a dependable God, but can take all of what he has said back and destroy it, then God could not be depended on. The God I have learned of is dependable, always the same, and absolutely true to any word he has ever given.
As I read Jeremiah telling of the new covenant, it says the law is written on our hearts, it does not say that the new covenant destroys the law.
God wrote the old covenant that He replaced with the new one that is better. You say that God destroyed what God had created. If God is not a dependable God, but can take all of what he has said back and destroy it, then God could not be depended on. The God I have learned of is dependable, always the same, and absolutely true to any word he has ever given.
The old laws of the old covenant were given in stone, the new covenant had the laws given directly to our hearts and minds. We have the holy spirit within when we accept Christ within, it is through the holy spirit we are reminded to keep the law.
Under the old covenant there were fleshly commands given to remind them to keep the law. It was a mark on the skin to show they belonged to Christ, that mark is no longer needed, we have Christ. It was in choosing only foods from animals who ate clean foods that they were reminded to keep the information they accepted clean, now we have the holy spirit for that. Those old covenant commands are obsolete, they would only mean we don't depend on Christ. We are under the new covenant.
As scripture tells us, the law did not change, the method it was delivered changed. God is the same yesterday and today and always.
Under the old covenant there were fleshly commands given to remind them to keep the law. It was a mark on the skin to show they belonged to Christ, that mark is no longer needed, we have Christ. It was in choosing only foods from animals who ate clean foods that they were reminded to keep the information they accepted clean, now we have the holy spirit for that. Those old covenant commands are obsolete, they would only mean we don't depend on Christ. We are under the new covenant.
As scripture tells us, the law did not change, the method it was delivered changed. God is the same yesterday and today and always.
Do you actually believe that the law not to murder, to not have other Gods, nor to take the name of the Lord in vain, not to steal or commit adultery and so on has been turned around, is dead, and we now can have Christ within and those sins within us? Such a strange life you are promoting.
According to the men who wrote the history of the time of Christ, they said the people were upset because the people who accepted the true God were told they also had to accept Jewish customs and first covenant commands. They called these commands law of Moses, and we read about that in the book of Acts. They are obsolete.
According to the men who wrote the history of the time of Christ, they said the people were upset because the people who accepted the true God were told they also had to accept Jewish customs and first covenant commands. They called these commands law of Moses, and we read about that in the book of Acts. They are obsolete.
Would you please give me the scripture labelled new law that tells us not to murder?
In the sermon on the mount Christ explained the difference between the law in stone and the law in our hearts. He quoted the old law as it was written in stone, but I see no scripture there saying it the old law was cancelled. In fact Christ stated that the old law wasn't cancelled. Matt. 5"17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.".
Christ then explained how we were to read the law in stone as people of the new covenant. It is in Matt. 5.
In the sermon on the mount Christ explained the difference between the law in stone and the law in our hearts. He quoted the old law as it was written in stone, but I see no scripture there saying it the old law was cancelled. In fact Christ stated that the old law wasn't cancelled. Matt. 5"17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.".
Christ then explained how we were to read the law in stone as people of the new covenant. It is in Matt. 5.