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Blik

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JAPOV said:
Every lawyer, every politician, every minion of Lucifer must laugh every time we argue among ourselves... How appropriate for the first chapters of Revelation to be about God's judgment upon the churches!
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Christians on this site listen to other Christians as they struggle together to understand the kingdom of heaven that is so different from the kingdoms of the world. Ones who fight about it or judge others based on their understanding are not acting in a Christian way. We are together, discussing, and it is good.
 
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seed_time_harvest

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It bothers me, worries me that saying "Christ died for your sins" has become a platitude...
The God of Creation humbled Himself before His own creation... even unto death on a cross!!
How much more should we, not only humble ourselves before God, but also each other...

NO MAN CAN POSSIBLY FATHOM THE PERFECT MIND AND WILL OF GOD!

How dare any of you claim God's perfection as your own, while you still sin every moment of your lives out of ignorant arrogance!

WE ARE ONLY FORGIVEN BECAUSE ONLY GOD CAN FORGIVE!!!
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Some say that they don’t sin anymore after salvation.
 
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Blik said:
Christians on this site listen to other Christians as they struggle together to understand the kingdom of heaven that is so different from the kingdoms of the world. Ones who fight about it or judge others based on their understanding are not acting in a Christian way. We are together, discussing, and it is good.
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some may be arguing, some expounding, some explaining their view point, some adding to. unless we can hear a person's thoughts and/or sense their feelings it might not always be real evident unless we take the time to really listen. maybe pray as well. the Spirit speaks through some maybe but not all. pray to hear from the Spirit who He speaks through or even when. even any might say helpful things at times even though mostly arguing and not arguing from the Spirit but from their studies and beliefs - based on studying things and doctrines - not from Spirit.
 
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LOL. . .as usual, an artful dodge. Rather than address my point you attack me personally. From what I can tell, everyone who does what's right in his own eyes (denominationalism) is good in your book. Anyone who speaks out against error is a "lone ranger."

No one will admit it, but that's really all denominationalism is: everyone doing what's right in his own eyes. They can't be bothered with God's word but would rather follow men.
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I am not attacking you at all, but you ARE a lone ranger.

Paul said of denominations that he hated factions but they were necessary in order that the truth would come forth
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
Some say that they don’t sin anymore after salvation.
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Some certainly act like they don't! What was that Jesus said about logs and splinters?
We should be encouraging and building each other up with regard to the fundamentals of Christianity and faith, not tearing each other down over minor political/denominational stuff. All I see here is argument... no resolve. It's exhausting!
 
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I think that there is a difference between "arguing" and "contending for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints" (Jude 1:3-4).
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the Bible tells us that some (many?) believers were being taught milk. it also tells us that we now see dimly and in the dark. also that the gate is narrow and that few enter the gate. also that we are to grow in grace and knowledge (of God) - not stay with the teachings of milk, but walk onwards from them - past them. not laying again the beginnings of things. but if the beginnings even are not understood correctly enough, then the whole building could be built on a faulty foundation - leading not to growing in grace and knowledge as we are told to - and so the dim would always envelope, the person would never move on much or enough really, they would never find all the corrections to the errors or enough corrections. errors big and errors small - some maybe having to do with salvation, some not so much. some helping the person to grow - but not true.
 
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Evmur said:
I am not attacking you at all, but you ARE a lone ranger.
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If I'm a "lone ranger" that's entirely your characterization and your opinion and it's meant to discredit me. Nice try. If I endorsed a denomination I'm sure I'd then be okay in your book.

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Paul said of denominations that he hated factions but they were necessary in order that the truth would come forth
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We've discussed this before and I see you're still with the same old misunderstanding of the scripture.
 
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Do you mean that their actions show forth the reality that they don't sin?
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The Pharisees showed forth the as You say "REALITY"that they don't sin If that reality Is what you can perceive with one or more of your five senses but GOD looks at the heart,man looks at outward appearances.

Paul told them that they were doing the same things the gentiles were doing.
 
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We are called to peace and the Spirit is our guide.
Cut your hair, don't cut your hair... Eat pork, don't eat pork... Get married, don't get married...
ETERNITY IS A REALLY LONG TIME!
If all you want to do is argue, then what spirit is in you?
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
The Pharisees showed forth the as You say "REALITY"that they don't sin If that reality Is what you can perceive with one or more of your five senses but GOD looks at the heart,man looks at outward appearances.

Paul told them that they were doing the same things the gentiles were doing.
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There is a righteousness of the law and there is a righteousness which is of God by faith (Philippians 3:9).

The former is as filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6); the latter is as fine linen, clean and white (Revelation 19:8).

The former cleans the outside of the cup and platter only; the latter cleans both the inside and the outside of the cup and platter (Matthew 23:25-28).
 
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JAPOV said:
We are called to peace and the Spirit is our guide.
Cut your hair, don't cut your hair... Eat pork, don't eat pork... Get married, don't get married...
ETERNITY IS A REALLY LONG TIME!
If all you want to do is argue, then what spirit is in you?
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When interpreting 1 Corinthians 11:1-16, it is important to understand how Luke 16:10 applies to the passage.
 
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JAPOV said:
If all you want to do is argue, then what spirit is in you?
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The Holy Spirit might lead a person to "contend earnestly for the faith which was once delivered to the saints" (Jude 1:3-4).
 
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ResidentAlien said:
We've discussed this before and I see you're still with the same old misunderstanding of the scripture.
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It is quite true that Paul said that about heresies (divisions): 18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. 19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. (1 Cor 11:18,19)

So what is Paul telling us? (a) there will be divisions within local churches because some will be presenting heresies and (b) the Holy Spirit will show Christians which doctrines and which teachers are to be approved and which are to be rejected. "There must also be heresies" means that they are to be expected.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
It is quite true that Paul said that about heresies (divisions): 18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. 19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. (1 Cor 11:18,19)

So what is Paul telling us? (a) there will be divisions within local churches because some will be presenting heresies and (b) the Holy Spirit will show Christians which doctrines and which teachers are to be approved and which are to be rejected. "There must also be heresies" means that they are to be expected.
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This is what it is most important to always be a Berean (Acts 17:10-11) when you determine who you will listen to as a teacher; and also, that you rely on a personal anointing when filtering what is being said to you (1 John 2:20,27).
 
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justbyfaith said:
When interpreting 1 Corinthians 11:1-16, it is important to understand how Luke 16:10 applies to the passage.
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Ummmm.... Personally, I don't believe you should take scripture out of context. However, I do believe the Bible defines and interprets itself. So, go ahead... explain this one.
 
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JAPOV said:
Ummmm.... Personally, I don't believe you should take scripture out of context. However, I do believe the Bible defines and interprets itself. So, go ahead... explain this one.
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1 Corinthians 2:13 gives us the biblical hermeneutic that we can apply the topical context to any scripture even if that is not in the immediate context of the scripture presented.

Luke 16:10 tells us that whoever is faithful in that which is least will be faithful in much; and whosoever is unjust in that which is least will also be unjust in that which is greater.

The issue of long or short hair in 1 Corinthians 11:1-16 being under the category of that which is least; to the point that most would consider it to be a peripheral issue.

Yet the issue can be utilized to be able to discern between who is a true or false prophet.
 
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justbyfaith said:
The Holy Spirit might lead a person to "contend earnestly for the faith which was once delivered to the saints" (Jude 1:3-4).
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But exactly what or who does your contention serve if there is no resolve? The Spirit only serves GOD!
 
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But exactly what or who does your contention serve if there is no resolve? The Spirit only serves GOD!
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I'm not sure that I understand your question.

Would you please rephrase it using different words?
 
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