Saved by Water
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Cornelius was an exception to the rule; which is found in Acts 2:38-39.
Again, the church was in transition in the book of Acts and the circumcision group would have forbidden water if they had not first received the same gift as had fallen on the beginning of the early church.
God proved that Gentiles could be given the gift of the Holy Ghost and forced the issue thereby; so that those who were opposed would not be able to even protest the new development.
Again, the church was in transition in the book of Acts and the circumcision group would have forbidden water if they had not first received the same gift as had fallen on the beginning of the early church.
God proved that Gentiles could be given the gift of the Holy Ghost and forced the issue thereby; so that those who were opposed would not be able to even protest the new development.
Actually it is the symbol that is provided by the water that washes away sins...in that we identify accurately with the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus when we go under and then come up out of the water.
It is a confession of Jesus Christ before men;
And as the result Jesus Christ will confess those who are baptized in His Name before the holy angles and before the Father (Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8).
It is a confession of Jesus Christ before men;
And as the result Jesus Christ will confess those who are baptized in His Name before the holy angles and before the Father (Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8).
We are saved by grace through faith, not by water.. 
1Pe 3:20, Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
Yes we are saved by grace through faith according to scripture. Ephesians 2:8-9 does not specifically say that water is not a part of that.
What in the world are you talking about??? "sleep mode". Huh??
Wrong again. His experience is exactly what the NT church experiences.
Gal 3:2,5
2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?
5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?
This is exactly the SAME WAY Cornelius received the Spirit.
Maybe it is you who are in "sleep mode", whatever that is.
Wrong again. His experience is exactly what the NT church experiences.
Gal 3:2,5
2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?
5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?
This is exactly the SAME WAY Cornelius received the Spirit.
Maybe it is you who are in "sleep mode", whatever that is.
FreeGrace2 said:
I am in DENIAL
What a low down dishonest move that was. Leaving out the REST of the sentence. But of course you were too dishonest to include the REST of the sentence. I am in total DENIAL of your views. That's what.
Go ahead and think that being totally dishonest is funny. That's on you.
Doesn't matter what you claim about your views. The Bible says differently and REFUTES your claims.
I am in DENIAL
What a low down dishonest move that was. Leaving out the REST of the sentence. But of course you were too dishonest to include the REST of the sentence. I am in total DENIAL of your views. That's what.
Go ahead and think that being totally dishonest is funny. That's on you.
Doesn't matter what you claim about your views. The Bible says differently and REFUTES your claims.
Not following your point. The point in Matt 7:21-23 is that this crowd expected to get into the kingdom on the basis of what THEY DID for Jesus. There was NO mention of their having faith in Him for what He did FOR THEM.
This is proven by what Jesus told them. "Depart from Me. I NEVER KNEW you." They never believed.
This is proven by what Jesus told them. "Depart from Me. I NEVER KNEW you." They never believed.
FreeGrace2 said:
Since you disagree, please address the passage that I quoted and prove me wrong then.
Oh, yeah. Cop-out again.
Since you disagree, please address the passage that I quoted and prove me wrong then.
Oh, yeah. Cop-out again.
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FreeGrace2 said:
The language is archaic. Didn't THOU knowest that?
I don't reject "pure doctrine". I do repeatedly reject your ideas, opinions, assumptions, presumptions and speculations.
And those aren't pure doctrine by any means.
btw, are you actually suggesting that the kjVERSION is the purest form of doctrine?
The language is archaic. Didn't THOU knowest that?
I don't reject "pure doctrine". I do repeatedly reject your ideas, opinions, assumptions, presumptions and speculations.
And those aren't pure doctrine by any means.
btw, are you actually suggesting that the kjVERSION is the purest form of doctrine?
When are you going to get tired of being repeatedly REFUTED??
Once again, the pattern seen with Cornelius is EXACTLY THE SAME as what Paul told the Galatians in 3:2 and 5. The Spirit is received on the basis of FAITH, NOT NOT NOT NOT water baptism.
Acts 10 was fairly close in time to the crucifixion. Possibly just a few years after it. Galatians was written about 49-55 AD.
So quit telling me that Cornelius was some kind of exception. All you are doing is embarrassing yourself.
Cornelius' experience is EXACTLY THE SAME as found in Gal 3:2,5. Read your Bible.
Once again, the pattern seen with Cornelius is EXACTLY THE SAME as what Paul told the Galatians in 3:2 and 5. The Spirit is received on the basis of FAITH, NOT NOT NOT NOT water baptism.
Acts 10 was fairly close in time to the crucifixion. Possibly just a few years after it. Galatians was written about 49-55 AD.
So quit telling me that Cornelius was some kind of exception. All you are doing is embarrassing yourself.
Cornelius' experience is EXACTLY THE SAME as found in Gal 3:2,5. Read your Bible.
FreeGrace2 said:
And you are right. Because the phrase "when ONLY baptism was available" is a bogus claim. You haven't proven that, and I have refuted that.
Well, I guess one would have to actually read my posts to know that I have.
I went through what Paul preached from the "Scriptures", which can only be the OT, since the NT hadn't been written yet.
But you are free to ignore, reject, or whatever else you want to do to avoid the truth.
And you are right. Because the phrase "when ONLY baptism was available" is a bogus claim. You haven't proven that, and I have refuted that.
Well, I guess one would have to actually read my posts to know that I have.
I went through what Paul preached from the "Scriptures", which can only be the OT, since the NT hadn't been written yet.
But you are free to ignore, reject, or whatever else you want to do to avoid the truth.