Seeing Antichrist

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ewq1938

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The book of Revelation is primarily to warn unbelievers of the coming judgments .
Unbelievers don't usually read the bible. That's like saying the Koran was written to warn Christians of coming judgments when most Christian would not have read one word of the Koran in their lifetime.
 
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AntiChrist just means in opposition to Christ.

There are individuals and institutions that are characteristically antiChrist, but that doesn't change the base meaning of the word.
 

ewq1938

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AntiChrist just means in opposition to Christ.

There are individuals and institutions that are characteristically antiChrist, but that doesn't change the base meaning of the word.

Actually it can have another meaning as well:

Anti
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anti
Thayer Definition:
1) over against, opposite to, before
2) for, instead of, in place of (something)
2a) instead of
2b) for
2c) for that, because
2d) wherefore, for this cause
Part of Speech: preposition
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: a primary particle
Citing in TDNT: 1:372, 61

While anti can mean "against" it can also mean instead of as in a copy or forgery...ie: false Christ.
 

Nehemiah6

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Unbelievers don't usually read the bible.
They are without excuse, since now the Bible is freely available on the Internet. But any unbeliever who reads Revelation will be compelled to make a decision based upon the last chapter of that book.
 

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Actually there is another word that means a church and that is candlestick, found in Revelation 11.
Surely you meant Revelation 1. But in Revelation 11 "candlestick" is a metaphor for the two prophets sent to earth during the reign of the Antichrist. It is interesting how they are given several designations, but their names are not disclosed. (1) witnesses, (2) prophets, (3) olive trees, and (4) candlesticks (lampstands).

It is more than likely that these are none other than Moses and Elijah, based upon the fact that (a) they met with Christ at His transfiguration and (b) the miracles described correspond to those in the OT for Moses and Elijah. That Elijah withheld the rain for exactly 3 1/2 years during the reign of Ahab is repeated during the 1260 days (42 months) of the reign of the Antichrist.

And here is the prophecy that goes along with the presence of Moses and Elijah: Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. (Malachi 4:4-6)
 

ewq1938

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Surely you meant Revelation 1. But in Revelation 11 "candlestick" is a metaphor for the two prophets sent to earth during the reign of the Antichrist.

No, the two prophets are the two olive trees. The two candlesticks are two churches showing that the Church is very present during the Great Tribulation.
 

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Unbelievers don't usually read the bible. That's like saying the Koran was written to warn Christians of coming judgments when most Christian would not have read one word of the Koran in their lifetime.
So you believe revelation was written for post-tribbers ?
 

ewq1938

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So you believe revelation was written for post-tribbers ?
I believe Revelation tells us who Revelation was written for:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
 
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Why would God judge the faithful along with "those who dwell upon the earth"? Judgment is promised upon the ungodly "once the number of the gentiles is complete". The lawless one will not be revealed until "He who restrains" is removed.

Of course the rapture marks the beginning of the 7 years of trials and tribulations... This argument is just silly!
 

ewq1938

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Why would God judge the faithful along with "those who dwell upon the earth"?
Because he decides to?

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
 
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Because he decides to?

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

16And the twenty-four elders who sit on their thrones before God fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17saying,

“We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty,
who is and who was,
for you have taken your great power
and begun to reign.
18The nations raged,
but your wrath came,
and the time for the dead to be judged,
and for rewarding your servants, the prophets and saints,
and those who fear your name,
both small and great,
and for destroying the destroyers of the earth.”

This is past tense. The elders are praising God "AFTER" Armageddon, at the beginning of His reign.
 

ewq1938

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This is past tense. The elders are praising God "AFTER" Armageddon, at the beginning of His reign.
Rev 11:18 is NOT after Armageddon. Rev 11:18 Is at the 7th trump when Christ returns. On that day, he gives rewards the saved and punishes the unsaved.
 
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Yeah', and Armageddon only lasts for 1 hour lol.
You just want to argue, I'm bored now...
 

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Correct, yet even those who do understand this I don't think fully grasp what the anti-Christ spirit means. Why call it a "Spirit"? Even Demons who are disembodied have names aka Lucifer, the Son Jesus has a name, the Holy Spirit is described as Holy, the anti-Christ Spirit simply means against God, so, God is just and Holy, so the antithesis of God in all things would be the anti-Christ spirit, which simply means anti-God because Jesus is God. So lets list them all

God is Holy, truthful, kind, gentle, forgiving, longsuffering, peaceful, joyous, hopeful, merciful, understanding, loving, meek, honest, etc. etc. etc.

Meanwhile the anti-Christ/anti-God spirit is Unholy, a liar, hateful, spiteful, vengeful, arrogant, a thief, chaotic, sad, in despair continually, unmerciful, hateful, and a murderer, etc. etc. etc.

God is a Spirit, the anti-Christ/anti-God Spirit is also eternal, but until Lucifer, raised himself up in pride against God no one had ever acted upon this ant-God spirit, so, the anti-Christ spirit has always been, and always will be, because Satan and all humans who follow him are eternal beings made in God's image, they will be in hell forever.

Anti-Christ doesn't mean IN PLACE OF. Someone stretched the truth there to fit an agenda. Not saying you stated or inferred that, but a lot of people try to do that to say the Jews accept this Anti-Christ MAN who comes, they don't.



The Psalm 83 War has come and gone brother, it was spread out over 60-65 years from 1948-2010ish maybe even all the way to 2015ish, go reread the players, everyone of those Nations are seen as all the foes Israel had in all of the wars we saw from 1948-2010, I can list them: NOTICE, the 2012 and 2014 events are not called Wars, they are more like unto skirmishes than wars. Thus my reference points are 1948-2010ish !!!

1948 Arab–Israeli War (November 1947 – July 1949)
Palestinian Fedayeen insurgency (1950s–1960s)
Suez Crisis (October 1956)
Six-Day War (June 1967)
War of Attrition (1967–1970)
Yom Kippur War (October 1973)
Palestinian insurgency in South Lebanon (1971–1982)
1982 Lebanon War (1982)
South Lebanon conflict (1985–2000)
First Intifada (1987–1993)
Second Intifada (2000–2005)
2006 Lebanon War (summer 2006)
Gaza War or Operation Cast Lead (December 2008 – January 2009)
2012 Israeli operation in the Gaza Strip or Operation Pillar of Defense (November 2012)
2014 Gaza War or Operation Protective Edge (July–August 2014)

Now lets look at who they are in Psalm 83

Psalm 81:1 Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. 2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. 3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. 4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee: 6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes. 7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre; 8 Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.

Everyone of these are in a Nation that has an IMMEDIATE COMMON BORDER with Israel. Egypt, Jordan, Gaza, Lebanon and Syria. See Dr. Reagans Youtube video at the 13:36 mark below: ( I don't think he understands its a PAST EVENT at all, he doesn't understand it happened from 1948 on, he is looking to a FUTURE EVENT, but I can use his video to show who they are much easier. Next he goes into the Gog and Magog Wats at the 15:30 mark his conclusions are not correct however, IMHO. )


NOTICE at the 15:56 mark we see all of the Nations in league with Gog/Magog, NOT ONE of them has a common border with Israel, so his assumption that this "FUTURE" Psalm 83 defeat of these nations make them go get big boy Russia who wants their oil, is just not correct. What actually happens is Iran and its Nuclear quest TURNED these Nations, and Saudi Arabia/other gulf nations away from their continual wars with Israel, and via Trump and his Abraham Accords turned this Psalm 83 continual war into a league of peoples who now have a common interest, because of a common threat (Iran), thus not one nation in the Gog & Magog War has a common border with Israel, thus Israel lives in UNWALLED VILLIAGES so to speak, or has peace on every side via her IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS.

Those who come against Israel are named in Ezekiel, 38-39 Magog, Rosh, Gomer, Meshech, Persia, Put, Togarmah, Tubal, Cush.

So, the War of Gog AND Magog via Russia and its Muslim Allies, Ethiopia & Sudan = Cush, Persia = Iran, Put = Libya and Turkey. So Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, Algeria, Tunisia and Russia as the ring leader.

So, what Dr. Reagan doesn't get IMHO, is that the Abraham Accords are only brought to pass because Iran became a major threat to the region, this made Saudi Arabia and the other oil rich nations put pressure on other nations in the region to come to a sudden peace with Israel, that's why many were willing to throw the FAKE Palestinian rage overboard and accept Trumps proposals, this is the main reason why Trump was placed in the Presidency by God Almighty. The Abraham Accords never come to pass via any other Dem President, NOR Republican Presidency, they were all too scared to even move the Embassy to Jerusalem once they got in, the Deep State tells them what to do!!

So, without Trump, we would never have gotten a Peace between Israel and he IMMEDIATE Neighbors.

SO....How does all this go down? Russian, Turkey and Iran all come against Israel and God destroys them on the Holy Mount, I think everyone else (world) will think Israel used some kind of Secret Weapon etc. etc. or some Neutron Bomb, or Nuke, and thus the E.U. tells Israel, we will now allow you to become an E.U. Member, but you have to give up all of your weapons, and we will be your protector, just like the USA became Hawaii's protector, but you have to give up all of your Nukes etc. etc. any weapons you have. Thus I hearken back to the European Neighborhood Policy Agreements between the E.U and ALL of the Nations in the Mediterranean Sea Region, not just Israel, they currently have 7 year agreements in place as we speak with Israel, Egypt, Jordan Lebanon, Syria, Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria, and Libya (Israel and THE MANY) so, everything is already in place, the Anti-Christ and company will put all this into action as soon as the Rapture happens, then after 3.5 years of FAKE PEACE, we get God's Judgment falling (Asteroid Impact), which takes out 1/3 of the world, on top of the fact that Russia, Turkey and Iran's Armies were all destroyed, and this E.U. Anti-Christ thus has his path ready made for him, as soon as the Asteroid strikes half way through the 70th week, he goes forth conquering.

I agree, Israel striking Iran gives Russia the excuse to go forth, but no nation with a Common Border to Israel is in the War, thus the Abraham Accords were a MUST to fulfill Prophecy.
I have been confused about this for a long time. This post just cleared away the confusion. Thank you for taking the time to lay it all out in a logical and easy-to-read manner.

I would like to read more of your posts but I don't know how to do that yet. I am one of those annoying Newbie posters.
 

Rondonmon

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I have been confused about this for a long time. This post just cleared away the confusion. Thank you for taking the time to lay it all out in a logical and easy-to-read manner.

I would like to read more of your posts but I don't know how to do that yet. I am one of those annoying Newbie posters.
You are most welcome Sue. Don't get confused by some of the things I say/post, read them once or twice, I have been called unto Prophecy for over 35 years, but only in the last 5-6 years have I gotten the key to open these understandings up completely, I used to go 20-25 years and I would never say this is what God says, if I did not know I stayed silent, or said this is a guess. We see 100s of "THIS IS OF GOD's answer" every day, thus my prayers unto God 5 or so years ago was, Lord, if you are supposed to pour out your spirit in these end times, and you called me unto Prophecy, why am I stuck in the mud and why does the Church have 100's of understandings of who the Harlot is, what the Beast is, what Babylon is and whom the 144,000 are ? And then I got this answer from the Holy Spirit, short and sweet.

"Ron, you guys already know it all"

:ROFL::p:cool:

Talking about a rebuke, I was basically told I was heeding too many men's understandings, and not simply ASKING God to show me, since then, I never just accept a contradiction, I simply ASK God, what does this mean Lord? just like I did with the Gospels as a young Christian, and I always get the answer, and I know the difference between a guess and God's answer. I always knew that when I got it, I didn't know I had to stop relying on Men's Traditional Answers, which BLOCKED God from reaching me with His answers, EXAMPLE, if you raise a kid to believe 2 + 2 = 5, its going to be much harder to get them to understand its really 4 later on, until that mental block is gone, they will always see the answer as being 5.

God Bless
 

Rondonmon

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Yeah', and Armageddon only lasts for 1 hour lol.
You just want to argue, I'm bored now...
I have explained to him that both the ONE HOUR and the ONE DAY in Rev. 18 both mean 42 months of Judgment on Babylon (the Whole World being Judged by God). We understand that the Day of the Lord lasts 42 months, but in Revelation 12:17 we are told very specifically that the 10 Kings rule ONE HOUR with the Beast, and we know the Beast rules for 42-months, thus the ONE HOUR reference means 42 months of Judgment.
 
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I honestly believe some people come here just to make it look like all we Christians do is argue with each other!

If I'm wrong...
 

Rondonmon

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I honestly believe some people come here just to make it look like all we Christians do is argue with each other!

If I'm wrong...
Yup................

I inverted the above Scripture, its is the 10 Kings in Rev. 17:12.......Not Rev. 12:17

Up too long.
 

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I think he will likely descend, like from the clouds possibly stepping down in Jerusalem or one of the mounts in that area.
Are to refering to when he is thrown out of heaven?
 

ewq1938

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Are to refering to when he is thrown out of heaven?
Not for the appearance of the antichrist. I just wanted to make a connection between satan's fall as lightning and Christ's return in a flash of lightning. Satan does like to copy things.