Saved by Water
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Various scriptures point out specifics but not to the exclusion of others. In Mark 16:16 Jesus said he who believes and is baptized shall be saved. Believing will prompt obedience this would include repentance as well.
Hebrews 5:9 makes this point. Jesus became the author of eternal salvation unto them that OBEY Him.
Hebrews 5:9 makes this point. Jesus became the author of eternal salvation unto them that OBEY Him.
yep those who OBEY HIM.
That means his children obey him, those who are saved. to get saved but because we are saved
He gave MANY commands
the lords supper
Love others
Pray without ceasing
Give
Be baptized
Do not forsake assembling together
So if your going to make one command required. you better follow them all
Its no different than the law. If yout going to make one command a requirment your indebted to obey them all. And you better be perfect.
That means his children obey him, those who are saved. to get saved but because we are saved
He gave MANY commands
the lords supper
Love others
Pray without ceasing
Give
Be baptized
Do not forsake assembling together
So if your going to make one command required. you better follow them all
Its no different than the law. If yout going to make one command a requirment your indebted to obey them all. And you better be perfect.
If the translators had gotten it right, it would have said "repent, and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus 'because of' the remission of sins."
The idea is that we are saved the very moment we believe and the sins are then forgiven that moment. Then we are water baptized as an outward confession of Christ that came from inwardly by faith.
The idea is that we are saved the very moment we believe and the sins are then forgiven that moment. Then we are water baptized as an outward confession of Christ that came from inwardly by faith.
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You may want to reread the scripture:
"Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Acts 2:37-38
"Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Acts 2:37-38
The baptism of John was one of repentance. Have you not read of the group of men Paul met who didn't understand what the baptism of John meant?
Paul asked them what baptism have they baptized with, they replied, John's baptism, then Paul told them John's baptism was a baptism of repentance, meaning to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Acts 19:1-7
The baptism in water did not save them, it was faith in Christ in repentance that saved them. This is the point Paul made to them. They didn't understand this until Paul explained it and then they believed what Paul said and were saved then water baptized in the name of the Lord with was the confession outwardly of what had happened inwardly through faith.
Paul asked them what baptism have they baptized with, they replied, John's baptism, then Paul told them John's baptism was a baptism of repentance, meaning to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Acts 19:1-7
The baptism in water did not save them, it was faith in Christ in repentance that saved them. This is the point Paul made to them. They didn't understand this until Paul explained it and then they believed what Paul said and were saved then water baptized in the name of the Lord with was the confession outwardly of what had happened inwardly through faith.
You've had Acts 2:38 explained to you so many times, it ain't even funny.
Your theory has been thoroughly refuted by the pattern of receiving the Holy Spirit in the case of Cornelius and Gal 3:2,5.
All of which you just merrily ignore.
Nope. Peter in fact ONLY baptised them after being convinced that they already had the Spirit.
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. Clearly implies they also BELIEVED the message.
45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. Again, note that Cornelius and company STILL had not been baptised yet.
46 For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. Then Peter said, This is evidence that they HAD received the Spirit.
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”
48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
The "so" is between v.47 and the EVIDENCE of having the Spirit, and v.48 where Peter THEN ordered that they be baptised.
btw, note the wording. Peter wasn't ordering Cornelius to be baptised. He was ordering that those who do the baptizing baptise Cornelius and company.
Words mean things. We do well to heed them.
I'v already pointed all this out, but you did not address it. Will you this time?
Your theory has been thoroughly refuted by the pattern of receiving the Holy Spirit in the case of Cornelius and Gal 3:2,5.
All of which you just merrily ignore.
Nope. Peter in fact ONLY baptised them after being convinced that they already had the Spirit.
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. Clearly implies they also BELIEVED the message.
45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. Again, note that Cornelius and company STILL had not been baptised yet.
46 For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. Then Peter said, This is evidence that they HAD received the Spirit.
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”
48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
The "so" is between v.47 and the EVIDENCE of having the Spirit, and v.48 where Peter THEN ordered that they be baptised.
btw, note the wording. Peter wasn't ordering Cornelius to be baptised. He was ordering that those who do the baptizing baptise Cornelius and company.
Words mean things. We do well to heed them.
I'v already pointed all this out, but you did not address it. Will you this time?
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