Saved by Water

[SophieT]

Denominational beliefs are irrelevant. What is relevant is what is confirmed in the actual Word of God. If you would seriously consider what the Word says about topics such as how one is to be water baptized you might be surprised to find it firmly establishes concepts that you never realized. And as such, debunks what you have been taught.

denom beliefs are most certainly NOT irrelvant

believing as you do, that the Trinity is not biblical and water baptismal takes sin away, is anti-bible.

don't try preaching to me about what I should consider. we are waaaaaaay past that.

actually the problem is what YOU have been taught.

 

[SophieT]

Please provide scriptures where the apostles actually performed water baptisms that way.

how about you explain to us why you choose to ignore what Jesus said in Matthew

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,
Matthew 28:19

 

[peldom10]

We do not make a doctrine based on one verse of the Bible, In fact, when dr Luke wrote the book of Acts. He did not seperate his writing into verse and chapter form. Men did that many years later.

Acts 2 does not say what you think it says. If you want to true gospel. I suggest you go to John 3, 4, 6 and many other passages where Jesus himself told us how to be saved.

And please. Do not say John 3 says water baptism. Jesus did not use the word baptism in that chapter when he told Nicodemus how to be born again. By faith in the one who was sent, who like the serpent who was lifted up. Will be lifted up himself.

Now if you want to discuss the word. Let’s discuss. But if your going to just make sly remarks like this. Then I will move on.

I have concluded...there is little use in discussing scriptures for new age religion folks...with new age religion bibles, which, so far of reviews, have been published since 1960's..

 

[peldom10]

denom beliefs are most certainly NOT irrelvant

believing as you do, that the Trinity is not biblical and water baptismal takes sin away, is anti-bible.

don't try preaching to me about what I should consider. we are waaaaaaay past that.

actually the problem is what YOU have been taught.

Water takes sin away just like repentance does. Or do you think repentance does not take sin away?

 

[peldom10]

denom beliefs are most certainly NOT irrelvant

believing as you do, that the Trinity is not biblical and water baptismal takes sin away, is anti-bible.

don't try preaching to me about what I should consider. we are waaaaaaay past that.

actually the problem is what YOU have been taught.

The show us in scriptures where denoms. are required.

 

[Wansvic]

The baptism of John was one of repentance. Have you not read of the group of men Paul met who didn't understand what the baptism of John meant?

Paul asked them what baptism have they baptized with, they replied, John's baptism, then Paul told them John's baptism was a baptism of repentance, meaning to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Acts 19:1-7

The baptism in water did not save them, it was faith in Christ in repentance that saved them. This is the point Paul made to them. They didn't understand this until Paul explained it and then they believed what Paul said and were saved then water baptized in the name of the Lord with was the confession outwardly of what had happened inwardly through faith.

John introduced baptism for remission of sin. This is confirmed in Acts 22:16 where Ananias told Paul to be baptized to wash away his sin.

 

[Wansvic]

You've had Acts 2:38 explained to you so many times, it ain't even funny.

Your theory has been thoroughly refuted by the pattern of receiving the Holy Spirit in the case of Cornelius and Gal 3:2,5.

All of which you just merrily ignore.


Nope. Peter in fact ONLY baptised them after being convinced that they already had the Spirit.

44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. Clearly implies they also BELIEVED the message.

45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. Again, note that Cornelius and company STILL had not been baptised yet.

46 For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. Then Peter said, This is evidence that they HAD received the Spirit.

47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”

48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.

The "so" is between v.47 and the EVIDENCE of having the Spirit, and v.48 where Peter THEN ordered that they be baptised.

btw, note the wording. Peter wasn't ordering Cornelius to be baptised. He was ordering that those who do the baptizing baptise Cornelius and company.

Words mean things. We do well to heed them.

I'v already pointed all this out, but you did not address it. Will you this time?

Acts 22:16 and Acts 2:38, confirm that sins are washed away in obedience to water baptism.

And my point regarding Acts 10 is the statement in verse 43 becomes a reality in verse 48.

 

[Charlie24]

John introduced baptism for remission of sin. This is confirmed in Acts 22:16 where Ananias told Paul to be baptized to wash away his sin.

It was a baptism of repentance. the emphasis was on repenting, changing your sinful ways, acknowledging Christ as your Saviour.

That is a good point with Ananias! Paul was saved on the road to Damascus when he said, "Lord what will you have me do."

That is the point he surrendered to Christ by faith. Ananias told Paul to go and be baptized washing away your sins, this was a symbol of salvation as this is what water baptism is.

Paul's sins were washed away the very second he believed on Christ, which took place in his heart, the water baptism was the outward reenactment of his salvation symbolizing his salvation as a public confession of faith in Christ.

 

[Wansvic]

actually in the Origional king james bible.

it says repent YE (plural form of the word you) and let every one of YOU (singular form of the word you) be baptized.

You also should look in the greek. It does not say what you think it says.

What is your point? The scripture states everyone is to repent and be baptized.

 

[Charlie24]

What is your point? The scripture states everyone is to repent and be baptized.

The apostles were very firm on water baptism. If you didn't acknowledge your faith in Christ through water baptism as far as they were concerned, you were not saved.

 

[Wansvic]

Has anyone on here changed their mind yet?

A lot of time and effort being wasted here, so goodbye.

Discussing God's word is never a waste of time. As Isaiah says the Word will not return void but accomplish God's purpose. Our mission is to share it and God is the one who gives revelation.

"So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." Isa 55:11

"I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase." 1 Cor 3:6

 

[Wansvic]

how about you explain to us why you choose to ignore what Jesus said in Matthew

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,
Matthew 28:19

I do not ignore what Jesus said in Matthew it is confirmed by how the apostles baptized. Sadly you just don't see it. What's the name?

Now back to the question. Are there any scriptures were the apostles baptized people using the phrase " I baptize you in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost?

 

[Charlie24]

The apostles were very firm on water baptism. If you didn't acknowledge your faith in Christ through water baptism as far as they were concerned, you were not saved.

The water had nothing to do with salvation, but the acknowledging of Christ through water baptism meant everything.

As you go down into the water you are buried with Christ, as you come up out of the water you are resurrected with Christ, a new man.

The baptism into Christ that Paul speaks of is a spiritual baptism, where the literal water baptism is a symbol, the literal symbol of your salvation confessed publicly.

 

[Wansvic]

It was a baptism of repentance. the emphasis was on repenting, changing your sinful ways, acknowledging Christ as your Saviour.

That is a good point with Ananias! Paul was saved on the road to Damascus when he said, "Lord what will you have me do."

That is the point he surrendered to Christ by faith. Ananias told Paul to go and be baptized washing away your sins, this was a symbol of salvation as this is what water baptism is.

Paul's sins were washed away the very second he believed on Christ, which took place in his heart, the water baptism was the outward reenactment of his salvation symbolizing his salvation as a public confession of faith in Christ.

You are refusing to accept what actual scripture says. Jesus told Paul he would be told what he must do. (Acts 9:4) And, Ananias told Paul what to do; "...arise and be baptized and wash away they sin calling on the name of the Lord. (Acts 22:16)


Acts 9:6
And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

Acts 22:15-16
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.

And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

 

[Charlie24]

You are refusing to accept what actual scripture says. Jesus told Paul he would be told what he must do. (Acts 9:4) And, Ananias told Paul what to do; "...arise and be baptized and wash away they sin calling on the name of the Lord. (Acts 22:16)


Acts 9:6
And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

Acts 22:15-16
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.

And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

And you my friend are making a ceremony performed by a man a necessity for salvation.

 

[Wansvic]

The apostles were very firm on water baptism. If you didn't acknowledge your faith in Christ through water baptism as far as they were concerned, you were not saved.

The scripture sure makes the point that everyone is to repent, and be water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. However, I believe the one who posted it was saying the scripture did not mean what it says.

 

[Charlie24]

The scripture sure makes the point that everyone is to repent, and be water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. However, I believe the one who posted it was saying the scripture did not mean what it says.

Man is saved by grace through faith, not by a ceremony depending on another man to perform for you!

Man saved by ceremony is a salvation of works, and what does Paul say about that?

Rom. 11:6

"And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

What is your point? The scripture states everyone is to repent and be baptized.

not for salvation.

My point is you keep ignoring what the word actually says, And want to base your whole eternity on two or three verses. I just can't understands why you would do this. is not eternity to long to walk down a path based on so little evidence?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

And you my friend are making a ceremony performed by a man a necessity for salvation.

No different than the Jews and circumcision.

A ceremony performed by a mere man. in which paul called works.

 

[Wansvic]

The water had nothing to do with salvation, but the acknowledging of Christ through water baptism meant everything.

As you go down into the water you are buried with Christ, as you come up out of the water you are resurrected with Christ, a new man.

The baptism into Christ that Paul speaks of is a spiritual baptism, where the literal water baptism is a symbol, the literal symbol of your salvation confessed publicly.

There is a difference between what you say and what the Word actually expresses. The Word of God requires everyone to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin. Therefore when a person trusts that what God's Word says is true and responds in obedience to the command a spiritual reality occurs. This is only made possible through the shed blood of Jesus on Calvary.

Being baptized into Christ is in fact water baptism. (Romans 6:4-6, Col. 2:12-13) Think about what you, yourself, pointed out. "As you go down into the water you are buried with Christ, as you come up out of the water you are resurrected with Christ, a new man." This is a picture of one being reborn. A person must die in order to be born again. To relegate the rebirth experience in water baptism to a mere public display is to err.