Jews In The Holocaust

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

2ndTimothyGroup

Well-known member
Feb 20, 2021
5,883
1,953
113
According to Scripture, the "wise" organize and "classify" Scripture. In my opinion, this undertaking leads to Transformation.

Ecclesiastes 12:9 NLT - "Keep this in mind: The Teacher was considered wise, and he taught the people everything he knew. He listened carefully to many proverbs, studying and classifying them."
 
K

kaylagrl

Guest
.



Desalination is a desperate measure. They won't need it when God's
providence takes the reins in that land.


Isa 35:6-7 . .Water will gush forth in the wilderness and streams in the
desert. The burning sand will become a pool, the thirsty ground bubbling
springs. In the haunts where jackals once lay, grass and reeds and papyrus
will grow.





Much of it remains barren desert. When God's providence kicks in, the whole
land of Israel will become arable.


Isa 35:21-2 . .The desert and the parched land will be glad; the wilderness
will rejoice and blossom. Like the crocus, it will burst into bloom; it will
rejoice greatly and shout for joy. The glory of Lebanon will be given to it, the
splendor of Carmel and Sharon; they will see the glory of The Lord, the
excellency of our God.


Lebanon's glory of old was timber; especially cedars (1Kng 4:33). Sharon
was known for its flowers (Song 2:1) and Carmel for its orchards (Isa 33:9).
How God will get timber, flowers, and orchards to flourish in the Negev
should be interesting.
_

It's happening now! I have a tabletop photograph book of Israel before 1948 and now. The comparison is stunning!! If you don't see the hand of God in the land of Israel today, you aren't looking. God is keeping his promises to the Jewish people. If He doesn't keep His promises to them then we cannot be sure of His promises to us.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

Well-known member
Feb 20, 2021
5,883
1,953
113
It's happening now! I have a tabletop photograph book of Israel before 1948 and now. The comparison is stunning!! If you don't see the hand of God in the land of Israel today, you aren't looking. God is keeping his promises to the Jewish people. If He doesn't keep His promises to them then we cannot be sure of His promises to us.
What an outstanding, insightful post, KG!
 

Blik

Senior Member
Dec 6, 2016
7,312
2,428
113
Correct. There are (a) Satanic Jews (involved with the Synagogue of Satan) and (b) ordinary Jews who were victimized by these Satanic Jews as well as very evil Gentiles.

The irony now is that Satanic Jews have actually perpetrated a COVID Holocaust in Israel. Israel is one of the most highly vaccinated countries in the world, and also has the a very high vaccine death rate. “There is a high correlation between the number of people vaccinated per day and the number of deaths per day, in the range of up to 10 days post-vaccination in all age groups.
https://rightsfreedoms.wordpress.co...-the-human-body-warns-israeli-health-experts/

"In an August 2021 paper entitled “Young adult mortality in Israel during the COVID-19 crisis,” Dr. Ohana examined a surge in Israeli youth deaths which he says are unexplained by anything other than a surge in vaccinations for the age group 20-49. Israel is one of the most vaccinated countries in the world, and is heavily studied as a prime ‘test tube'"
https://coronanews123.wordpress.com...ys-vaccination-causing-surge-in-child-deaths/
That we have COVID is another way that it is rebellion to the ways of God that brings on our troubles. Our diet consists of food that man has changed from the way God created it. Grains are all been changed, taking out the nutritious parts of them, animals that give us our meat and eggs are not let to live as God had them live but men "improved" their diet, foods are basically changed and homogenized. AS a result our hormone and immune system is impaired. In America the diet is called the SAD diet, the standard American diet, and it is sad. All foods are processed.

God's ways are always best, men should not change them even to change the basic structure of our foods.
 
K

kaylagrl

Guest
That we have COVID is another way that it is rebellion to the ways of God that brings on our troubles. Our diet consists of food that man has changed from the way God created it. Grains are all been changed, taking out the nutritious parts of them, animals that give us our meat and eggs are not let to live as God had them live but men "improved" their diet, foods are basically changed and homogenized. AS a result our hormone and immune system is impaired. In America the diet is called the SAD diet, the standard American diet, and it is sad. All foods are processed.

God's ways are always best, men should not change them even to change the basic structure of our foods.

Umm, I can agree with that somewhat. But remember when we ask God to bless our food before we eat, does He not protect us against these things? That is the reason we pray before we eat is it not?
 

2ndTimothyGroup

Well-known member
Feb 20, 2021
5,883
1,953
113
Umm, I can agree with that somewhat. But remember when we ask God to bless our food before we eat, does He not protect us against these things? That is the reason we pray before we eat is it not?
Something just occurred to me . . . jesus didn't eat for forty days. Did he freak out? No. lol
 
K

kaylagrl

Guest
Something just occurred to me . . . jesus didn't eat for forty days. Did he freak out? No. lol

Agreed, what we can do under the Holy Spirit. The flip side of that is what people can do under demon power. Like monks of certain religions that will light themselves on fire and sit till the flames burn their bodies. smh How sad that the devil can so deceive a person.
 
P

pottersclay

Guest
As usual brother, coming in with the Word and common sense. I wish I could give you two winners. A lot of truth here.
Thank you saint. But glory be to God, I was once in the anti-semitism thought untill the Lord showed me the light.
I made fun of the Jewish people and considered them the biggest fools of all.
Then the scriptures spoke and showed me something I thought I already knew but never considered.
If Israel embraced jesus where would I be? That needed some investigating.
I praise God for the Jewish people for keeping the word safe and holy, in the many atrocities that came to them.
For keeping the feast and holy days.
They may not know their king yet but they do know the king's God and have served him through out the ages.
What a glorious day it will be when that blindness is removed and they welcome Jesus to sit on the throne of david.

Jesus said don't be surprised that the world hates you for it also hated me, but did you stop to consider jesus is the same God of the old as the new. The jews were also hated for their God. Our God. The one and only.
 
P

pottersclay

Guest
The main reason why so many people died was because the U.S. dilly-dallied and entered WWII late. Likely other nations did not act quick as well also. Had the U.S. entered earlier, many deaths could have been prevented, perhaps even battles like Normandy. Rather, the U.S. was waiting to be attacked first (Pearl Harbor) before attacking. Had the Pearl Harbor attack not occured, who knows how history could have turned out?
What one fails to realize is that the US was recovering from ww1. We were not threatened untill england began to fall.
If one must really know the truth england thought us how to fight . This was the birth of the 82 airborne. Russia was a great allie to us and made it possible to defeat the Nazis with there timing and strategy when the Nazis advanced to take russia.
The weather was never considered a factor in taking over russia. Between starvation, freezing to death, and so remote a area the Germans suffered heaven losses. All planed by the Russians. In fact many Germans were killed by men on horse back known as Russian Cossacks.
 
P

pottersclay

Guest
“Never in the history of the world had such a thing happened before–but God keeps His word. As definitely foretold here and in Ezekiel 37:21, 22, Israel became a recognized nation, actually “born in one day.”

After being away from their homeland for almost 2,000 years, the Jews were given a national homeland in Palestine by the Balfour Declaration in November, 1917. In 1922, the League of Nations gave Great Britain the mandate over Palestine. On May 14, 1948, Great Britain withdrew her mandate, and immediately Israel was declared a sovereign state, and her growth and importance among nations became astonishing.”

WORTH THE WAIT
“For the revelation awaits an appointed time; it speaks of the end and will not prove false.
Though it linger, wait for it; it will certainly come and will not delay.” Habakkuk 2:3

The church fathers struggled to know how to interpret the numerous references to Israel after hundreds of years had gone by, and the nation of Israel was apparently no more. After the destruction of the temple, the Jewish people were scattered far and wide, and with every passing century it seemed less and less likely that the situation would, or could, ever change. How to make sense of those promises for this nation that seemed to have disappeared for good? The solution they landed upon was to claim all the references and promises should be transferred to the church. Israel had rejected the Messiah, so God had rejected them, and now the church must surely be the true Israel.

“I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means!”

Paul strongly rejects this way of thinking in Romans 11, but it’s easy to see why it did look like a forlorn situation. You and I have the privilege denied to millions of believers who have lived and died before us – we know that this prophecy has indeed finally come to pass. We can know that God’s promises to Israel still stand.
God promised to regather the exiles from the four corners of the earth and he promised to reestablish Israel. It just took an awfully long time. People gave up and got confused during the wait. What a great reminder this is for us to hold on to God’s promises and not give up! Though it linger, wait for it; it will certainly come.
 

Webers.Home

Well-known member
May 28, 2018
5,828
1,073
113
Oregon
cfbac.org
.
A number of observant Jews sincerely believe that the deaths of six million
of their fellows via German atrocities during the second world war satisfied
certain teachings and predictions in the 53rd chapter of Isaiah's prophecy. A
rabbinic interpretation of that chapter proposes, in so many words, that the
fate of God's people at the hands of Hitler's minions accomplished the
salvation of the world.

The interpretation is a bit involved so I won't go into it here; but suffice to
say that the interpretation provides, for some, the only rational explanation
as to why God stood by and did nothing to prevent so many of His own
people from being rounded up like cattle, stripped of their dignity, their
property, their wealth, and their possessions, enslaved, starved,
malnourished, deprived of basic human necessities, tortured, subjected to
Frankenstein medical experiments, worked to death, and gassed, shot, and
incinerated by the millions by Nazi mad men.

The error of that interpretation is so obvious that it's almost below me to
point it out; to wit: Judaism regards human sacrifice as a breach of the
covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God; and also sincerely
believes that human sacrifice is an abomination.

There are astute Bible scholars of the opinion that the Jewish genocide of the
last century was only a taste of one to come in the future when a super
powerful political figure, known to just about everybody as the anti-Christ,
will target God's people with another mass extinction. They say his won't be
confined to Europe like the last one, but will encompass the entire globe so
that Jews won't be safe anywhere on the planet.

Those scholars also believe that the present State of Israel isn't permanent;
but that it will be conquered and the Jews lose control of their homeland all
over again. I don't know for myself whether those scholars are right, but if
they are, then it would appear that the future of God's people at this point in
time is looking mighty grim, to say the least.
_
 

CS1

Well-known member
May 23, 2012
13,067
4,349
113
There is no simple answer. Why has God allowed millions of unborn babies to die in a horrific way? I believe He hasn’t. There is a ordained plan that was put into place long before the foundation of the world was established. God’s wrath is coming, and no one can endure it who does not belong to Him.

there is a simple reason why1. SIN. 3. God has placed the responsibility on HIS Church to combat evil until HE comes :) God has given us HIS Power through the Gospel, which is able to save.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

Well-known member
Feb 20, 2021
5,883
1,953
113
Agreed, what we can do under the Holy Spirit. The flip side of that is what people can do under demon power. Like monks of certain religions that will light themselves on fire and sit till the flames burn their bodies. smh How sad that the devil can so deceive a person.
Indeed, there is a deep contrast between those monks and Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego (who were protected from the fiyah!)
 
Dec 25, 2021
113
13
18
This is so much of an abomination it’s not even worth discussing!

But I will leave you with this: Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

Well-known member
Feb 20, 2021
5,883
1,953
113
This is so much of an abomination it’s not even worth discussing!

But I will leave you with this: Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
To all True self-professed scholars, here, I highly recommend that the next time you begin reading the entire Bible in a timeline, chronological order, record each time that you run across a passage that allows you to ask the question, "Who is Israel."

So far, I have logged 76 occasions for which to ask this question. And I submit to you now, that by keeping such awareness of this question, a person may be less likely to be overcome by the sadness of so many alleged "Jews" being slaughtered. We cannot forget how many children were born to those of the Seven Nations, whom the Lord had strictly forbidden that the Jews NOT marry, hence, "prostituting" themselves.

Purification. Incorruptible Seed. The Vine of Christ. These are important things to consider as we read such an amazing piece of literary Work we call The Bible.
 
P

pottersclay

Guest
HISTORICAL TIMELINE
FOR THE NATION OF ISRAEL
AND THE JEWISH PEOPLE
NB. Events relating specifically to Britain are in italics.
c.2000 BC
God makes an everlasting Covenant with Abraham, which continues through Isaac, Jacob and their descendants. They will
become a great nation, those who bless him and his descendants will be blessed, those who curse him and his descendants
will be cursed. All the nations of the earth will be blessed through them. The Land of Canaan will be their everlasting
inheritance. (Genesis 12:3, 13:14-17, 15:18-21, 17:7-8, Psalm 105:8-11)
c.1400 BC
The Israelites enter the Promised Land. Prior to that they have been delivered from the hands of the Egyptians and then
spent 40 years wandering the desert because of unbelief. Through the Mosaic Covenant they have been given Torah and
separated to God as a ‘holy’ nation. (Exodus 19:5-6) The 12 tribes of Israel are allotted their portion of territory.
c.1000 BC
King David conquers Jerusalem and makes it the capital of the Kingdom of Israel. God covenants with David that his
dynasty would be an everlasting one. (1 Chronicles 17:3-15) His son, Solomon, is commissioned by the Lord to build the
House of the Lord. The Lord declares that His eyes and His heart would dwell there perpetually. (2 Chronicles 7:16)
c.920 BC
Israel is divided into two kingdoms. The 10 northern tribes rebel against the Lord and set up an alternative religious
system. The tribes of Judah and Benjamin remain faithful to the Lord for a while. A remnant from the 10 northern tribes
joins the 2 southern tribes (known as Judah) to worship the Lord in Jerusalem.
720 BC
The 10 northern tribes are taken into captivity in Assyria. By this time judgement has been prophesied against Judah for
their rebellion against the Lord.
586 BC
The Temple in Jerusalem is destroyed by King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon on 9th Av in the Hebrew calendar. The third
wave of captives (the first one was around 606BC) is taken into exile in Babylon. A 70-year exile had been prophesied by
Jeremiah. (Jeremiah 29:10)
c.536 BC
The first wave of Jewish exiles returns to Jerusalem, and with the permission of King Cyrus of Persia, begins to rebuild
the Temple.
c.445 BC
The third wave of Jewish exiles returns to Jerusalem under Nehemiah and the walls of Jerusalem are rebuilt. However a
significant number choose to stay ‘in exile’.
167 BC
The Temple is defiled by Antiochus IV Epiphanes, who sacrifices a sow on the altar and halts the Temple worship. Three
years later Judas Maccabeus liberates and cleanses the Temple. This is commemorated by the Feast of Chanukkah. The
Hasmoneans rule Israel until the Roman invasion.
 
P

pottersclay

Guest
c.4BC – c.30AD
The earthly life and ministry of Yeshua HaMashiach (Jesus the Messiah) fulfils more than 300 Old Testament prophecies.
Through His death on the cross, the New Covenant with the house of Israel and the House of Judah was ratified (Jeremiah
31:31-34, Hebrews 8:8-12 and Matthew 26:26-28). Shortly before His crucifixion Jesus prophesies the destruction of
Jerusalem and the scattering of the people until ‘the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled’. (Luke 21:24)
70 AD
The second Temple is destroyed by the Romans, again on 9th Av in the Hebrew calendar. Approximately one million Jews
are killed and most of the survivors are sold into slavery or scattered into the nations. However, a small remnant of Jewish
people remained in the Land throughout the dispersion.
135 AD
The Bar Kokhba uprising is quashed. Jews are barred from Jerusalem for several centuries. On 9th Av the Romans plough
over Jerusalem, rename the City ‘Aelia Capitolina’ and the Land ‘Syria Palestina’ to eradicate the memory of the Jewish
presence there. Over the next 19 centuries the religious Jews in exile include the amidah prayer in their daily devotions – a
heart-cry to God for their restoration to their beloved Jerusalem.
1066AD
The first known Jews arrive in England from Normandy with William the Conqueror.
1144 AD
The first ‘Blood Libel’ against the Jews takes place in Norwich. According to the libel, Jews showed their hatred of
Christianity by re-enacting the crucifixion - sacrificing a Christian child and using his blood in the unleavened bread
for Passover. The concept of ‘Blood Libel’ subsequently spread from England across Europe and continues to this
day.
1212 AD
A large contingent of Jewish people arrive in Jerusalem, including 300 Rabbis from England and France.
1290 AD
On 9th Av King Edward I of England issues an edict that all Jews must be expelled from the country within 3 months.
England remained ‘Juden-rein’ until Oliver Cromwell decreed that they could return in 1656.
1858 AD
The British Parliament passes an Act allowing Jews to be elected without restriction. Benjamin Disraeli later becomes
the first Jewish Prime Minister of Great Britain.
c.1881
The first major wave of aliyah (Jewish Immigration) into Eretz Israel from Russia begins in the wake of ongoing pogroms
against Jewish people.
September 1897
The First Zionist Congress takes place in Basel, Switzerland. At the conclusion Theodore Herzl writes in his diary: “In
Basel I founded the Jewish State… Maybe in five years, certainly in fifty, everyone will see it.”
1914
At the outbreak of World War I, the Turkish Ottoman Empire, the power that ruled over the whole Middle East, outlaws
Zionism and expels 11,000 of the 60,000 Jewish inhabitants of Palestine.
 
P

pottersclay

Guest
31st October 1917
The British and ANZAC military forces capture Beersheba from the Turks and Germans, which paves the way for the
British conquest of Palestine. On the same day the British Cabinet decides to pave the way for the creation of a Jewish
homeland in Palestine. The decision is published by Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour two days later in what became
known as The Balfour Declaration.
9th December 1917
The British and ANZAC forces conquer Jerusalem, bringing an end to 400 years of Ottoman Turkish rule. Two days
later, on the eve of the Feast of Chanukkah, the British General Allenby ceremonially enters Jerusalem, declaring
British rule over Palestine.
April 1920
Haj El-Amin, later to become the Mufti of Jerusalem, leads riots against the Jewish population of Jerusalem as Britain
and France participate in a League of Nations conference in San Remo Italy to issue a mandate for British and French
rule over the Middle East. France is awarded a Mandate to rule Lebanon and Syria while Britain is given a Mandate
to rule over Palestine, which includes all of modern-day Israel, Jordan and the ‘West Bank’. The Balfour Declaration
is incorporated into the British Mandate, giving it international legal status.
1921
Sir Herbert Samuel takes his position as the first British High Commissioner of Palestine. The Churchill White Paper
divides Palestine along the Jordan River, creating an Arab Homeland in Palestine known as Transjordan (later
Jordan).
August 1929
Arab riots break out against the Jews across Palestine, including Gaza and Hebron. In Hebron, the oldest
continuously inhabited Jewish city in the world, 69 Jews are brutally murdered. The British authorities
respond by evacuating the Jews from both places and forbidding them to return. Serious unrest and riots
continue through the 1930s as Arabs pressure Britain to halt Jewish immigration and abandon The Balfour
Declaration.
January 1933
Adolf Hitler rises to power in Germany, creating a dark cloud for German Jewry. Within a year he instigates a programme
of anti-Semitism across the country in accordance with Mein Kampf which he had written a decade earlier. Over the next
few years Hitler successfully mobilises almost the entire German nation against the Jews.
July 1938
Representatives of 32 nations meet at Evian in France to discuss the rapidly worsening refugee problem resulting
from Hitler’s ruthless persecution and murder of Jews in Germany and Austria. Britain only agrees to attend on
condition that Jewish immigration into Palestine is not on the agenda. The Jews are effectively abandoned by the
Evian Conference.
May 1939
A White Paper is published that severely restricts Jewish immigration into Palestine and outlaws land sales to Jewish
people altogether. Only 75,000 Jewish immigrants would be allowed over the next 5 years. All further immigration
beyond that would be subject to the agreement of the Arabs. The 1939 White Paper effectively annulled the Balfour
Declaration.
September 1939 to May 1945
Six million Jews are murdered by the Nazis under the leadership of Adolf Hitler during the Holocaust of World War II.
 
P

pottersclay

Guest
1945 to 1948
The British policy of restricted immigration into Palestine continues. Calls for mass immigration into Palestine in
the wake of the Holocaust are ignored as at least 60,000 Holocaust survivors are imprisoned in Cyprus or returned
to Europe. The British policy results in escalating violence across Palestine and the Mandate becomes increasingly
unmanageable.
July 1947
One refugee ship - called the Exodus - is captured by the British in international waters off Palestine. Its cargo of 4,500
Holocaust survivors is eventually returned to German prison camps. The ensuing media coverage shames the British
government, which has decided to commit the fate of the Mandate to the United Nations.
29th November 1947
The General Assembly of the United Nations votes in favour of partitioning Palestine into Jewish and Arab States
(Resolution 181). The Jews accept the Partition Plan, the Arabs reject it. Jerusalem would become an international city.
Violence escalates further across Palestine as the British prepare to withdraw.
14th May 1948
The last High Commissioner, Sir Alan Cunningham, leaves Palestine and the British Mandate ends. At 4pm David Ben
Gurion, the recognised leader of the Jewish people, declares the existence of the sovereign State of Israel, according to UN
Resolution 181.
15th May 1948
Five Arab armies attack the infant State of Israel and war rages for several months. Jordan captures the eastern part of
Jerusalem and Israel’s historical heartland, Judea and Samaria. The Jordanians expel or kill the Jews in the territory they
conquer, and desecrate the Jewish holy sites. They annexe the territory and rename it ‘the West Bank of Jordan. Their
sovereignty over the territory is not recognised by any nation other than Britain and Pakistan. Egypt claims sovereignty
over the Gaza Strip.
January 1964
The Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) is formed under the auspices of President Nasser of Egypt. The PLO draws
up a Charter with the goal of liberating all of ‘Palestine’ (i.e. Israel) and liquidating the Jewish State. Egyptian-born Yasser
Arafat later becomes the PLO leader and embarks on a campaign of international terrorism against Jewish targets. The
PLO Charter calling for the liquidation of Israel has never been rescinded.
5th June 1967
Israel makes a pre-emptive strike against Egypt while President Nasser is preparing another war of annihilation against
Israel in conjunction with Syria and Jordan. In defending herself against the invading armies Israel captures the Golan
Heights, the Sinai Peninsula, the ‘West Bank’ and ‘East Jerusalem’, including the Temple Mount – the holiest site to the
Jewish people. Several years later the Golan Heights and the eastern part of Jerusalem were formally annexed to Israel.
September 1967
The Arab nations met in Khartoum, Sudan, for a conference. In a united front they declared that there would be “no
recognition of Israel, no negotiations with Israel and no peace with Israel.” Since then only Egypt and Jordan have made
peace treaties with Israel.
October 1973
Egypt and Syria attack Israel once again. The surprise attack on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, takes Israel completely
by surprise and almost results in her defeat. The war rages for more than a month and brings the Israeli forces within
gunshot range of Cairo and Damascus.