Can God be tempted? How well do we truly know Jesus Christ?

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2ndTimothyGroup

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SCripture says it lol im Just showing you


For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Hebrews 4:15 KJV
the whole rapist thing that's coming from you you'll have to answer that one I'm showing you what scripture says about Jesus being tempted if you want to find ways to reject it that's up to you but the fact is he was tempted in the same ways we are and never sinned
Ok. Let's try this another way. What do you think was the most disgusting, vile temptation that Jesus ever thought of executing in real life?
 

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Yeah that supports that he was tempted and yet without sin it doesn't say he wasn't tempted it says he was and never sinned. Temptation isn't sin it's an invite to com it sin that's part of being in this world

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Hebrews 4:15 K




Still no sin but clearly he was tempted
Seriously . . . I give up. This is just too reminiscent of being a dad.
 

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God cannot succumb to temptation...

James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: ~KJV




...and Jesus and the Holy Spirit used that foolish tempter to prove it!

Matthew 4:1
Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. ~KJV


Matthew 4:3
And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. ~KJV
Jesus was and is God. For 33 1/2 years He lived on this earth as a man, just as us.

He laid aside His power as God according to the scripture but He couldn't lay aside His deity, the fact that He is God.

He was man and faced life just we do. The miracles He performed were not by His power, He had laid that power aside, it was all performed by the power of the Holy Spirit through Him.

Jesus lived His life on this earth totally and completely dependent on the Holy Spirit.

He is the example of what God wants from all of us.
 

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Charlie. Come on. You wrote the above quote. What is going on today?
Jesus was a man, 100% man, just as we are! As I have said, He laid all His Godly powers aside and faced this life just as we do.

Man has choice, he chooses to sin, Jesus was no different, He had that choice.

Satan is not the fool many believe he is, no way would have wasted 3 days and nights tempting Jesus without knowing it was possible He could sin.

Some say Jesus could not sin because He is God, I remind you, God does not get hungry or thirst, but Jesus did.

God does not get tired or need sleep, but Jesus did. God cannot die, but Jesus did.

His humanity changed everything, and it was possible for Jesus to sin or couldn't have been the Second Adam.
 

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Jesus was a man, 100% man, just as we are! As I have said, He laid all His Godly powers aside and faced this life just as we do.

Man has choice, he chooses to sin, Jesus was no different, He had that choice.

Satan is not the fool many believe he is, no way would have wasted 3 days and nights tempting Jesus without knowing it was possible He could sin.

Some say Jesus could not sin because He is God, I remind you, God does not get hungry or thirst, but Jesus did.

God does not get tired or need sleep, but Jesus did. God cannot die, but Jesus did.

His humanity changed everything, and it was possible for Jesus to sin or couldn't have been the Second Adam.
Today is the day I give this nightmare a rest. See you all tomorrow.
 

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God cannot succumb to temptation...

James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: ~KJV




...and Jesus and the Holy Spirit used that foolish tempter to prove it!

Matthew 4:1
Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. ~KJV


Matthew 4:3
And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. ~KJV
“Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭4:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

man can be tempted Jesus became a man he could be tempted and overcome temptation therefore sin and death

Because he went through it and overcame so can we who follow after him

“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted,

he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:14, 16-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it wasn’t as if it was easy and he wasn’t actually tempted


“Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭5:7-10‬ ‭

He had to go through temptation as we do

“Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:14-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we can come to Jesus when we are struggling with temptations because he’s been through it and overcame temptation , sin d the curse of death l
Part of the same

He’s able to strengthen us because he experienced it as we do

“For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus was tempted and overcame it as a man not as God in heaven who can’t be tempted but as Jesus the son of man who was tempted in every way me yet never once yielded to temptation in all his days do his glory is that he went through it all as we do but now he’s here forever having become our high priest and forerunner

“Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The glory in it is that he became a man and overcame and was raised up in glory afterwards after he died in the flesh he was raised up forever able to save sinners who turn to him in time of need and in the struggle against temptations and sin

God became a man in order to save us he was tempted through his humanity. Remember also there are more than thirty years of Jesus life we know nothing about before he receives the Holy Ghost and began preaching the gospel. It’s pet of the plan that we had to have an intercessor between man and God now we do
 
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Did Jesus ever think about disobeying God?
I do not believe Jesus ever thought about disobeying. It was not in His nature as it is in all descendants of Adam.

However, it does appear that satan believed Jesus could sin ... hence all the efforts by satan to tempt Him ... not only in the wilderness after John Baptist baptized Him ... we read of many times satan used his minions to tempt the Lord Jesus Christ.

In 1 Corinthians 2, we read about the mystery which was kept secret and, if known, the Lord Jesus Christ would never have been crucified.

In Ephesians 3:9-12, we read And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.

These are fantastic truths ... each and every believer has boldness (freedom to speak) and access (friendly relation with God whereby we are acceptable to him and have assurance that he is favorably disposed toward us).

How many times are we told in Scripture to keep our heart/eyes/mind focused on things above ... not on things of this earth? The Lord Jesus Christ showed us how to do this. We read of the times He would go off by Himself to pray to the Father ... Jesus was our example of how to maneuver through all the pitfalls of this life ... even to the point where we read for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God (Heb 12:2). The only joy I know of that could help someone endure to that extent is at the right hand of the Father in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore (Psalm 16:11).



 

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To be "tempted" can have two meanings.

1. To have an inner desire to do something that may not be right or moral.
2. When someone else offers you something that may not be right or moral as a temptation. This is done to try to invoke the desires in number 1.

Number 2 happens to Jesus and his tempter was the Devil. However, Jesus did not experience the type of temptation described in number 1.
 
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Yeah that supports that he was tempted and yet without sin it doesn't say he wasn't tempted it says he was and never sinned. Temptation isn't sin it's an invite to com it sin that's part of being in this world

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Hebrews 4:15 K




Still no sin but clearly he was tempted
Just my two cents on Hebrews 4:15, I don't see that it means that Jesus was presented with the opportunity to commit every single possible sin nor did He ever feel temptation to commit every single possible sin.

When the Bible says, "...was in all points tempted like as we are..." I think it's talking about the fundamental nature of temptation.

Next time you are tempted to sin, examine it closely and resist it. You'll start seeing what you're made of. Maybe you'll start noticing you're rationalizing how the sin is okay, maybe start having memory loss about how you are a servant of God, maybe you'll keep telling yourself "it's okay, I can repent and God will forgive me" or maybe "It's okay, I have God's grace." and probably many more dynamics of temptation that I haven't included here.

That's what I think the "...was in all points tempted like as we are..." means. Temptation has many points to it. I don't believe Christ was ever tempted to rape anyone. There are people who were not born again at one point who never once had the desire to rape someone; I know because I haven't always been a Christian and I would never have did that. Don't you think the Son of God Himself, in all of His perfection, would not have temptations of the common unrepentant sinner like I was?

The kind of specific temptations Jesus had are possibly found in Matt. 4:1-11 when He was in the wilderness.

So, I think "being tempted in all points" isn't a reference to being tempted with every possible sin; it's a reference to the endurance of temptation and resisting the temptations that His human body had and not once ever sinning.
 

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I think there's a difference between "being tempted" (whether internally or externally) and "succumbing to temptation". The Messiah never succumbed to the temptation to sin but scripture says He was tempted to sin just like we are.

James says we are tempted by our desires/lusts of this flesh we carry, which are specifically internal.


James 1:13-15
When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone.

14 But each one is tempted when by his own lusts he is lured away and enticed.

15 Then after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.



Satan led Messiah away to a high mountain and tempted Him to jump off to force the Almighty's word of protection...

...and after 40 days of not eating He was tempted to turn stone into bread to satisfy His extreme hunger...

...and tempted to rule all kingdoms of man immediately, so tempted by pride...

...and through the mouth of Peter tempted Him not to go through with His sacrifice and to preserve His life. We even witness His internal struggle at the garden of Gethsemane where He sweats so much that it looks like he's bleeding; His flesh's fear of death.

These were all internal temptations from his flesh, battled against by His Holy Spirit, even though they were presented by external situations...which is exactly how we experience temptations every day. The outside doesn't matter. It's the struggle inside that we're trying to win.

So I don't think it's wrong to say Messiah was tempted inside as we are. It's not a sin to experience temptation. He was tempted in every way we are, but He never succumbed to them to sin against the Almighty. In fact, I'm led to believe that's exactly how satan came to Him, as a spirit whispering in His mind through His own flesh.


Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who was tempted in every way that we are, yet was without sin.


If the Messiah didn't experience temptation exactly as we do then He can't possibly sympathize with what we go through because it would be impossible for Him to sin. There'd still be a disconnect. But with it being possible for Him to sin and yet never do so, it gives us hope that with His massive strength we can overcome sin in our own lives too.
 

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Just my two cents on Hebrews 4:15, I don't see that it means that Jesus was presented with the opportunity to commit every single possible sin nor did He ever feel temptation to commit every single possible sins.

When the Bible says, "...was in all points tempted like as we are..." I think it's talking about the fundamental nature of temptation.

Next time you want to sin, examine it closely and resist it. You'll start seeing what you're made of. Maybe you'll start noticing you're rationalizing how the sin is okay, maybe start having memory loss about how you are a servant of God, maybe you'll keep telling yourself "it's okay I can repent and God will forgive me" or maybe "It's okay, I have God's grace." and probably many more dynamics of temptation that I haven't included here.

That's what I think the "...was in all points tempted like as we are..." means. I don't believe Christ was ever tempted to rape anyone. There are people who were not born again at one point who never once had the desire to rape someone; I know because I haven't always been a Christian and I would never have did that. Don't you think the Son of God Himself, in all of His perfection, would completely different temptations from a common man?

The kind of specific temptations Jesus had are possible found in Matt. 4:1-11 when He was in the wilderness.

So, I think "being tempted in all points" isn't a reference to being tempted with every possible sin; it's a reference to the endurance of temptation and resisting the temptations that His human body had.
“Just my two cents on Hebrews 4:15, I don't see that it means that Jesus was presented with the opportunity to commit every single possible sin nor did He ever feel temptation to commit every single possible sins.”

I agree with you it doesn’t say he was considering any possible sin nor are you tempted by and considering any possible sin known to man it says he was tempted at all Points we are as humans in a world against us.

We do have some examples to look at

he was hungry d was tempted to break his fast a commitment to God.

his pride and confodence in Gods Will was provoked “ if your really Gods son jump off this high temple he won’t let you die “

he was offered rule of the world of he would deny God and worship Satan

do you see how Satan was attacking different points of Jesus humanity ? Flesh , pride , prodding for any greed ect being tempted doesn’t mean your evil it means Satan is whispering his ideas to you just like the first temptation

God said this fruit will kill you , but it won’t just trust me it will
Make you wise

that’s a temptation coming from Satan it doesn’t make them unclean or wrong but then rejecting Gods word d then following satans word made them sinners and cursed them had they overcame like Jesus did d stayed wi the Gods word they wouldn’t have died either or became sinners

other examples

remember when Jesus was struggling with going to the cross ?

“Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me. And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:38-39, 42‬ ‭KJV‬‬

jesus carried humanity with him he became one of us so his humanity was challenged by Satan constantly trying to corrupt the messiah and derail salvstion but of course he failed moserably because Jesus overcame and did not any sin ever

I never said anything about particular sins or that s someone else suggested Jesus was going around wanting to rape women and boys I was pretty aghast at such an idea

I’m saying Jesus was tempted in all the same ways we are as mankind because he became one of us most Christians really no Christians are tempted in every possible way I’ve never considered or been tempted to murder or do
Many many perverted things people do

so I agree that’s not how it should be thought of like Jesus was cycling through y possible sin that’s not at all what I was ever saying I was just saying this

“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He became a man so he was subject like all Of us to the temptations of Satan eho
Prods d finds our weaknesses and uses our situations to tempt us like he did with Jesus

we can actually learn a lot about overcoming temptation seeing how Jesus dealt with it mainly this way

“Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭5:7-9‬ ‭

it’s actually part of Christianity to face temptation and overcome part of becoming mature in Christ

“My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:2-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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The account of Jesus being tempted by the devil in Mt. 4 -
Mt.4:1 KJV "tempted" is Greek peirazo, Strong's #3985 "to test (objectively), i.e. endeavor, scrutinize, entice, discipline". The BDAG on this verse "to entice to improper behavior, tempt"

Mt.4:7 KJV "tempt" is Greek ekpeirazo, Strong's #1598 "to test thoroughly" with KJV Margin Note here "tempt: or, try, or, put to trial, or, proof". The NRSV reads "Do not put the Lord your God to the test." The AMGL on this word here: "to put to the proof or test, make trial of, tempt" and the BDAG "to subject to test or proof, tempt".

In v7 Jesus has quoted Deut. 6:16 in his answer to the devil. Which reads: "Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah."KJV, or "Do not put the LORD your God to the test, as you tested him at Massah", NRSV. In this reference, "tempt" is the Hebrew nacah, which Strong's defines as "1. to test. 2. (by implication) to attempt." In the Greek Septuagint, the KJV "tempt" is again the same Greek as Jesus is recorded using in Mt. 4:7, ekpeirazo.

Can a person be tempted if he has no sin nature, no original sin? If no original sin or sin nature is present, must the enticement be a test or trial, rather than a temptation as it is with us sinful men?

"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed." (Jas 1:13-14, KJV)

If God cannot be tempted with evil, could Jesus Christ be tempted with evil, or is he more accurately tested in all the usual human needs?

"For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted." (Heb 2:18, KJV)
"Because he himself was tested by what he suffered, he is able to help those who are being tested." (Heb 2:18, NRSV)
"Because he himself has passed through the test of suffering, he is able to help those who are in the midst of their test." (Heb 2:18, REB)

Jesus did not have the sin nature as we have. Jesus was impeccable therefore could not sin. The phrase from John 14:30 as explained by Albert Barnes seems to speak to this:

"Hath nothing in me - There is in me no principle or feeling that accords with his, and nothing, therefore, by which he can prevail. Temptation has only power because there are some principles in us which accord with the designs of the tempter, and which may be excited by presenting corresponding objects until our virtue be overcome. Where there is no such propensity, temptation has no power. As the principles of Jesus were wholly on the side of virtue, the meaning here may be that, though he had the natural appetites of man, his virtue was so supreme that Satan “had nothing in him” which could constitute any danger that he would be led into sin, and that there was no fear of the result of the conflict before him." https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/bnb/john-14.html

From Robert L. Dabney's Systematic Theology:
"Now, none will say that the second Person, as eternal Word, was, or is peccable. It would seem then, that the trait can only be asserted of the humanity. But, first, it is the unanimous testimony of the Apostles, as it is the creed of the Church, that the human nature never had its separate personality. It never existed, and never will exist for an instant, save in personal union with the Word. Hence, (a.) Since only a Person can sin, the question is irrelevant; and (b.) Since the humanity never was, in fact, alone, the question whether, if alone, it would not have been peccable, like Adam, is idle. Second, it is impossible that the person constituted in union with the eternal and immutable Word, can sin. For this union is an absolute shield to the lower nature, against error. In the God man "dwells the fullness of the God head bodily," Col. 2:9. Third, this lower nature, upon its union with the Word, was imbued with the full influences of the Holy Spirit. Ps. 14:7; 61:1, 3; Luke 4:21; and 4:1; John 1:32; 3:34. Fourth, Christ seems to assert his own impeccability, John 14:30. "Satan cometh and bath nothing in me." So Paul, 2 Cor. 5:21, Christ "knew no sin," and in Heb. 13:8, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, to day and forever." John 10:36, "The Father hath sanctified and sent Him in the world." Fifth, if this endowment of Christ’s person rose no higher than a posse non peccare , it seems obvious that there was a possibility of the failure of God’s whole counsel of redemption. For, as all agree, a sinning sacrifice and intercessor could redeem no one. There must have been then, at least a decretive necessity, that all his actions should be infallibly holy."
https://www.grace-ebooks.com/library/Robert Dabney/RLD_Systematic Theology.pdf
thank you

i have been trying to teach people exactly the same thing, ever since it was taught to me


Christ was tested in every way that we are, yet without sin
He was proven

He cannot be tempted; He is God
 

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James defines temptation for us:

But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed
(James 1:14)
Christ can only be tempted to sin if Christ has wicked desires in His own heart

He is tested and proven but cannot be tempted.
Satan thought he could tempt Him, but Satan was t that time ignorant of His true person, and did greatly err

God cannot be tempted by evil
(James 1:13)
 

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thank you

i have been trying to teach people exactly the same thing, ever since it was taught to me


Christ was tested in every way that we are, yet without sin
He was proven


He cannot be tempted; He is God
amen he already destroyed that whole plot
 

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Either Jesus was actually tempted (able to sin) in the wilderness, or He did not conquer sin by overcoming temptation. If the temptation could not succeed, the entire scene in the desert is a sham and the following verse is a lie:

Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.
brother,
it is not a sham for God to be holy

it is the only way we could be saved -- only One is worthy to open the scroll, so to speak
 

posthuman

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SHORT AND SWEET.......................................................God can't be tempted, He will not ALLOW IT.
it isn't that He won't allow it
it's that He is omnibenevolent
perfect goodness
for Him temptation is a contradiction in terms, James 1:13


James gives us a definition of temptation: lust in our own hearts tempts us -- James 1:14
it ain't the Debbil making you do it. it's you; the old man. our own flesh. we need a Savior, eh? daily!!


Christ has no sin in Him, 1 John 3:5
therefore Christ has no lust in Him to draw Him to sin - He is tested and proven/found "yet without sin" - Hebrews 4:15
so He is worthy, and He is able to save us, by offering Himself


and no one is good, but God alone
therefore Jesus is Lord: "The Shepherd, The Good One"
this is our salvation; God is our Saviour, manifest in the flesh; there is no other
 

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James defines temptation for us:

But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed
(James 1:14)
Christ can only be tempted to sin if Christ has wicked desires in His own heart

He is tested and proven but cannot be tempted.
Satan thought he could tempt Him, but Satan was ignorant of His true person, and was wrong.


God cannot be tempted by evil
(James 1:13)
“He is tested and proven but cannot be tempted.”

“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If he didn’t face temptation in the same way we do then he can’t hekp
Us when we’re tempted but he was tempted and overcame the temptation. He did it for us subjected himself to temptation on our behalf

Christianity relies on the fact that he became fully one of us , was tempted like we are through the weakness of his flesh , but he never sinned even as he was surely tempted like we are we have hope of overcoming now

“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:15-

God can’t be tempted because he is a spirit Christ became flesh to subject himself to all we are subject to

“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:6-9‬ ‭

Christ went through the human experience for us because of our sinfulness he jumped into the mess with us
 

posthuman

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If he didn’t face temptation in the same way we do then he can’t hekp
if He has wicked lust in His own heart, He can't help me.
i need someone who doesn't
and He is the same forever and ever


i don't need someone who also has a wicked heart
i need someone who knows how to live without one
i need to die with Him, and be hidden in Him, in order to live through Him