Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.
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29 But immediately after the affliction of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from the heavens, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven, and all the tribes of the land shall wail, and shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great trumpet, and they shall gather his elect from the four winds from the ends of the earth and heavens to the ends of them.
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven, and all the tribes of the land shall wail, and shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great trumpet, and they shall gather his elect from the four winds from the ends of the earth and heavens to the ends of them.
Pre-Tribbers,
you do realize this pre-trib Doctrine is only 200 years old...meaning, Jesus did not teach it, the Apostles did not teach it, the Church Fathers did not teach it, but a Woman in Scotland had a Dream and John Darby made that Dream into a False Doctrine?
I am not slamming women here, but your Doctrine is based off of a DREAM
Not off the Word of God
Hilarious
you do realize this pre-trib Doctrine is only 200 years old...meaning, Jesus did not teach it, the Apostles did not teach it, the Church Fathers did not teach it, but a Woman in Scotland had a Dream and John Darby made that Dream into a False Doctrine?
I am not slamming women here, but your Doctrine is based off of a DREAM
Not off the Word of God
Hilarious
So dont get too wound up over some false origin.
Your camp belives a doctrine formed BY MEN , dead men that thought they were in the gt!
Your false doctrine began in confused men.
How ironic!
Margaret MacDonald was born in 1815 in Port Glasgow, Scotland and died around 1840. < Her Dream
Old Men shall have Dreams and Young men visions...oh wait, someone forgot to ADD Woman having a DREAM of the pre-trib rapture that became a Doctrine
Old Men shall have Dreams and Young men visions...oh wait, someone forgot to ADD Woman having a DREAM of the pre-trib rapture that became a Doctrine
The difference is i check things out
You have NEVER bothered so tou make a complete fool of yourself.
I debunked your camps "macdonald burger" years ago.
Why do you think it is never mentioned and erased from the postrib workbook?
Now you too walk the same path of foolishness.
Learn to check things out
I read her dream and commentary.
You just fell for the lie.
Sad
Here's the beginning of John's Disciple, Polycarp, to the Church at Phillipi
Chapter 1. Praise of the Philippians
I have greatly rejoiced with you in our Lord Jesus Christ, because you have followed the example of true love [as displayed by God], and have accompanied, as became you, those who were bound in chains, the fitting ornaments of saints, and which are indeed the diadems of the true elect of God and our Lord; and because the strong root of your faith, spoken of in days Philippians 1:5 long gone by, endures even until now, and brings forth fruit to our Lord Jesus Christ, who for our sins suffered even unto death, [but] whom God raised from the dead, having loosed the bands of the grave. In whom, though now you see Him not, you believe, and believing, rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory; 1 Peter 1:8 into which joy many desire to enter, knowing that by grace you are saved, not of works, Ephesians 2:8-9 but by the will of God through Jesus Christ.
John had Himself and his Disciples correcting these Churches that Paul set-up and they got off kiltered.
Chapter 1. Praise of the Philippians
I have greatly rejoiced with you in our Lord Jesus Christ, because you have followed the example of true love [as displayed by God], and have accompanied, as became you, those who were bound in chains, the fitting ornaments of saints, and which are indeed the diadems of the true elect of God and our Lord; and because the strong root of your faith, spoken of in days Philippians 1:5 long gone by, endures even until now, and brings forth fruit to our Lord Jesus Christ, who for our sins suffered even unto death, [but] whom God raised from the dead, having loosed the bands of the grave. In whom, though now you see Him not, you believe, and believing, rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory; 1 Peter 1:8 into which joy many desire to enter, knowing that by grace you are saved, not of works, Ephesians 2:8-9 but by the will of God through Jesus Christ.
John had Himself and his Disciples correcting these Churches that Paul set-up and they got off kiltered.
Look what John's Disciple calls the Members of the Gentile Church, Body of the Bride Church in Phillipi:
true elect of God
it will read like this as you read the Letter:
[[[which are indeed the diadems of the true elect of God and our Lord]]]
Christ gathers His Elect, and Polycarp, John's Disciple is calling the Gentile followers of God, [[[which are indeed the diadems of the true elect of God and our Lord]]]...the Elect!
Even Polycarp confirms Post Trib Rapture of the ELECT!!
We, the Bride, are the ELECT!!
true elect of God
it will read like this as you read the Letter:
[[[which are indeed the diadems of the true elect of God and our Lord]]]
Christ gathers His Elect, and Polycarp, John's Disciple is calling the Gentile followers of God, [[[which are indeed the diadems of the true elect of God and our Lord]]]...the Elect!
Even Polycarp confirms Post Trib Rapture of the ELECT!!
We, the Bride, are the ELECT!!
One of my religious delusions is that I'm supposed to bring about something important. Forgive me but I feel compelled to put this next part. I feel as if I'm supposed to say here that the Christ and Anti-Christ are just two sides of the same coin. Faith empowers the soul, that is why both the Christ and Anti-Christ claim divinity. In the case of Christ it fills his soul with God, in the case of the anti-christ the faith strengthens his soul. The difference is that Christ uses his power for good and the Anti-Christ uses his power for his own short sighted goals.
Ever read " against heresies"?
Puts a very dark light on the men you see as deities and flawless.
The early church was extremely confused.
St. Irenaeus’ opus (written around 180 A.D.) was intended as a comprehensive apologia for authentic or Catholic Christianity against Gnosticism. Considering that he was a student of St. Polycarp, who was a student of St. John the Apostle,
In the volumes you will see they did not believe in the virgin birth as well as ton and tons of weird mess
AHEM....the ORIGIN of the postrib rapture.
Hilarious!
Puts a very dark light on the men you see as deities and flawless.
The early church was extremely confused.
St. Irenaeus’ opus (written around 180 A.D.) was intended as a comprehensive apologia for authentic or Catholic Christianity against Gnosticism. Considering that he was a student of St. Polycarp, who was a student of St. John the Apostle,
In the volumes you will see they did not believe in the virgin birth as well as ton and tons of weird mess
AHEM....the ORIGIN of the postrib rapture.
Hilarious!
I've read everything, but documenting John as Bishop and Polycarp as Leaders is nowhere connected to calling Jesus as wise as a 50 year old or old man.
What's funny about Irenaeus, his writings and the writings of other Church Fathers never include a pre-trib rapture. They had access to the original writings and still never once proposed that False Doctrine.
To me, that shouts pre-trib rapture = Demonic Doctrine of satan!
What's funny about Irenaeus, his writings and the writings of other Church Fathers never include a pre-trib rapture. They had access to the original writings and still never once proposed that False Doctrine.
To me, that shouts pre-trib rapture = Demonic Doctrine of satan!
No, what you desperately are ignoring, the CHURCH FATHERS, had access to the Original Copies and Close to the Second Copies and not one single Church Father claims the false Doctrine of pre-trib rapture.
They had Access to the TRUTH and here you are claiming to know the TRUTH they had access to.
You are WRONG so WRONG even the Church Fathers prove you are WRONG!
They had Access to the TRUTH and here you are claiming to know the TRUTH they had access to.
You are WRONG so WRONG even the Church Fathers prove you are WRONG!