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Is modern day "deliverance ministry" from God?

  • yes

    Votes: 11 68.8%
  • no

    Votes: 3 18.8%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 1 6.3%
  • other (please explain below)

    Votes: 1 6.3%

  • Total voters
    16

zone

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OP: Great post!! Very INFORMATIVE. Thumb's up!

Zone and Phil: Nonsense to your"nonsense"!
MAYBE YOU ARE DEMON POSSESSED MAGGIE....but no christians i know are.
maybe i'm haning out with a boring crowd that isn't so important to God's Plan that satan himself hassles them daily and has his minions possess them at the drop of a hat.
keeps you busy i guess.

INSANITY.
 
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AnandaHya

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#22
wow maggie I think I will do as Jesus taught us and give you scripture.

GOD DID NOT MAKE EVIL OR DEMONS, please stop blasphemy my Father's name....

1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.

James 1:13
Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.


Demons do not get inside you. they cover your like a filthy robe and try and suffocate you and by using their chains and prods get you to sin and speak words that lie and destroy your life and those of the people around you. they blind your eyes, they cause you to take drugs and do things that destroy your body and they keep you from doing and living life as God intends you to live.

HOWEVER, GOD IS MORE POWERFUL!

God has given us a Spirit of POWER, LOVE and A Sound Mind. NOT OF FEAR. NOT OF HATE. NOT OF LIES.

I hear both the demons and the voice of God in my life. Like I said I hear demons and know they are demons because they speak OUTSIDE of my body and God speaks within my heart. IF the Holy Spirit lives in your heart, the demons will always remain OUTSIDE whispering in your ears and making you think they are in your mind but it is a LIE.

May God's peace and love be with God's children and His truth shine in all Your lives and guide you. In Jesus name we pray, amen
 
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AnandaHya

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The difference between the voice of God and the voices of demons:

God's voice will tell you of your sin and show you how to overcome it. which will convict then uplift and make you stronger and grow in the righteousness of God and His fruit of love, JOY, Peace, patience, etc. (the indwelling Holy Spirit)

Demons will remind you of your sin and tell you, you deserve and eternal damnation and make you feel depressed and useless and suicidal. (this are darkness demons)

I know the difference.

Sometimes demons will try a different tactic and flood you with power and make you prideful and better and "special" then others. They will tell you YOU have to SAVE them. they will show you how to do witchcraft and make you LIKE GOD, or so they say or they will make you take on the robe of SAVIOR OF THE WORLD or just the next person who is "demon infested" They will keep you so busy doing works salvation and placing you under the law you will not realize or hear God's voice saying "don't follow that deceiving angel of light. Don't listen to false prophets, teachers, etc. Don't go down that path for it is forbidden. Knowledge is not what you need. You need GOD" (demons/angels of light)

No that voice will be ignored and the person will go off in a battle God never sent them to fight with no armor and a sword of lies that cut and hurt the very people they are trying to "save" because the LIE is that THEY save. they forget that it was GOD through JESUS that did that already.

Yes I hear demons but the question is not why i hear them but why they mix the truth with lies and who are they deceiving today?

Yes I know the difference between demons and people who speak their lies. I bind and inform God through prayer they are bugging me and He through scripture arms me with His words to banish them. So when I meet the people who are being deceived by them I can give them those words as written in His Holy Book.

It is not me who saves the person but GOD, I just deliver the message which God is whispering in their hearts but the loudness of demons is too loud for them to hear without help. So God sends us to help one another. people have done it when I'm down and under attack. I thank God every day for my brothers and sisters in Christ who have reached out and helped me to see God's light and truth.

I pray that people will stop being prideful and go to GOD in prayer about the whole situation.
 
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Laodicea

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Hebrews 12:2
(2) Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
2 Corinthians 4:18
(18) While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Titus 2:13
(13) Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Psalms 71:24
(24) My tongue also shall talk of thy righteousness all the day long: for they are confounded, for they are brought unto shame, that seek my hurt.
Philippians 4:7-9
(7) And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
(8) Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
(9) Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.
 
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MaggieMye

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ANA: wow maggie I think I will do as Jesus taught us and give you scripture.

GOD DID NOT MAKE EVIL OR DEMONS, please stop blasphemy my Father's name.... But HE DOES create evil. I will give YOU scripture:
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it. Any temptation that man CHOOSES to overcome IS overcome. But too often, man accepts the temptation, only to get trapped in the sin. This verse has nothing to do with God creating or allowing evil.
James 1:13
Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. BY GOD, correct. But man is not tempted by God, but by Satan and his unclean spirits. Get the Book "Can Christians Have a Demon?" Explains it very well.
Demons do not get inside you. they cover your like a filthy robe and try and suffocate you and by using their chains and prods get you to sin and speak words that lie and destroy your life and those of the people around you. they blind your eyes, they cause you to take drugs and do things that destroy your body and they keep you from doing and living life as God intends you to live. Well, the DO get inside and those that teach that they can't handle the fact that they do because it causes them FEAR. This is exactly what the devil wants. Because if a person does not realize that an unclean spirit can get inside, they will never take action to evict. it.
HOWEVER, GOD IS MORE POWERFUL! In the name of Jesus!!
God has given us a Spirit of POWER, LOVE and A Sound Mind. NOT OF FEAR. NOT OF HATE. NOT OF LIES. Too many people cannot recognize the lies. Hos 4:6 again. God HAS given us a spirit of power. But few truly walk in it.
I hear both the demons and the voice of God in my life. Like I said I hear demons and know they are demons because they speak OUTSIDE of my body So you hear them audibally? I doubt that unless you are speaking to people that are being used by Satan and the demons are speaking through them. Anything thought that comes through your mind (that being IN your head) comes from tormenters that are within. and God speaks within my heart. That is discernment. Because when God speaks into your heart or soul, your MIND must be able to RECEIVE the thought or encouragement or instruction for you to be able to ACT on it. IF the Holy Spirit lives in your heart, the demons will always remain OUTSIDE outside of your heart, yes. whispering in your ears and making you think they are in your mind but it is a LIE. Whispering is a Physical activity that necessitates a physical operative, like a person. THOUGHTS that are in your mind are IN your head and come from unclean spirits that have access to your MIND, in your head. It is NOT shameful to have unclean spirits!! Everyone does. But the key is to evict them when you realize their presence. And even IF, the demons were just sitting on your shoulder 'whispering', ARE YOU GOING TO LET THEM SIT THERE?? CAST THEM OFF!

 
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AnandaHya

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Isaiah 45:7
New King James Version (NKJV)
7 I form the light and create darkness,
I make peace and create calamity;
I, the LORD, do all these things.’



Isaiah 45:7
Amplified Bible (AMP)
7I form the light and create darkness, I make peace [national well-being] and I create [physical] [a]evil (calamity); I am the Lord, Who does all these things.

Footnotes:

Isaiah 45:7 Moral evil proceeds from the will of men, but physical evil proceeds from the will of God.


God Creating Evil? | Learn The Bible

Meaning of Evil

Isaiah 45:7
makes two contrasts. First, light is contrasted with darkness. That makes perfect sense because the two ideas are exact opposites. Then, the verse contrasts peace with evil - "I make peace, and create evil." If evil means wickedness, this does not make sense. Peace is not the opposite of wickedness. However, if evil refers to troubles and sorrows as those found in war, it makes perfect sense. The second pair of ideas would then be complete opposites.
The immediate context of the verse (Isaiah 45:5-10
) also supports this definition. Two times in this passage, God states, "I am the LORD, and there is none else" (v.5, 6). God is not one god out of many. He is the only God. There is not a god of the rain, a god of the sunshine, a god of the storm, a god of the harvest, a god of war, a god of fertility, a god of death, and so on. There is one God who is responsible for all that is done. In this passage, God is not removing responsibility from man for the evil that he brings into the world, He is simply saying that there is no other god."


It is like saying night time is the same as demonic evil.

God made day and night/ light and darkness/ peace and hardships.
 
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AnandaHya

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Maggie I doubt you will understand for you believe your battle field is in people's heads and physical body but I do not believe it true. At least that is not true according to my personal experience.

The battle I see is in the spirit, in the realm most consider to be dreams and visions. It is like watching two angels in a fight struggling for control of the heart of a third person watching. I merely seat and talk with the person watching and ask what they are fighting over. Normally it is a teaching or problem of their life they are struggling with and they don't know which of the two angels to listen to. They are not sure which is the angel sent by God and which is the demon trying to lead them away. So I listen and when I awaken I read my Bible. that why I can see what God says is the answer and who actually told the truth and who lied with their arguments. In case both claim to be quoting God's words when they debate and fight with sword of Spirit, but you can tell by their words whose spiritual sword they use.

Not exactly but that is the closest metaphor most people will understand.

People do not get possessed you would be able to see them if they were. they would be trapped in chains and the demons would speak through their eyes and mouth. I have meet people who have been demon possessed and have casted them out, but I can not stop them from watching the fight and choosing to listen to demons instead of God. I can only give them Bible verses and listen and pray to God.

you don't go casting out demons unless the person is at the point they will accept Jesus as Lord and savior and the Holy Spirit to protect them or they will be demon possessed with 7 more demons versus the 1 they had to begin with.

it is irresponsible not to keep in contact with people you have casted demons out of to ensure they have training in defending themselves. that is why you don't do it unless you are willing to commit and pray for them daily. that is why not everyone uses the power to cast out demons and should only do it when GOD says the person is ready in their hearts to accept HIM.

You only cast out demons in the unsaved people who have not accepted Christ. with christians you show them the lies the demons on the OUTSIDE are whispering to them and help them listen to the Holy Spirit for themselves and build that relationship with CHRIST not you, but with GOD. Have them depend upon GOD and HIS VOICE not your ability to continually "cast out demons" for them. If you didn't do it right the first time then you didn't do it at all.

Jesus only casted out demons ONCE and then gave them His words to guard and protect them. Now we have the Holy Spirit to train us. People just need to learn how to listen and tell the difference between God's voice and the Enemies.

the fruits and what the advice causes you to do. that is how you can tell. God's voice will increase the Fruit of the Spirit. Satan will tempt you to sin. God did NOT make Satan evil (that was his chose through pride and wish to control his own life) or cause him to tempt you. It is YOUR flesh and NOT from God.

Galatians 5:22-23
New King James Version (NKJV)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
 
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AnandaHya

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Well, the DO get inside and those that teach that they can't handle the fact that they do because it causes them FEAR. This is exactly what the devil wants. Because if a person does not realize that an unclean spirit can get inside, they will never take action to evict. it.

No Maggie I teach what I have learned from My Father. Whether you listen are not is up to you. There is no fear of the Truth involved.

I think we have a miscommunication. when I say "inside a person" I mean "inside a person's soul, spirit, true self as seen when viewed through the spirit" not their physical flesh which is just the clothes that the person is wearing right now.

The only way a demon can control those clothes is to first bind the soul of the person that God first gave that flesh too. That person is still there, just trapped in illusions and lies. Jesus came to free the captives who are held prisoners by demons. HE gives His Holy Spirit to protect them after the demon has been casted out but sometimes they must be like brides and keep their lamps burning with the oil of His Word and Promise before they are joined in Body.

Psalm 19
7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul;
The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple;
8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart;
The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes;
9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever;
The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
10 More to be desired are they than gold,
Yea, than much fine gold;
Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
11 Moreover by them Your servant is warned,
And in keeping them there is great reward.

12 Who can understand his errors?
Cleanse me from secret faults.
13 Keep back Your servant also from presumptuous sins;
Let them not have dominion over me.
Then I shall be blameless,
And I shall be innocent of great transgression.

14 Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart
Be acceptable in Your sight,
O LORD, my strength and my Redeemer.
 

superdave5221

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ANA: wow maggie I think I will do as Jesus taught us and give you scripture.

GOD DID NOT MAKE EVIL OR DEMONS, please stop blasphemy my Father's name.... But HE DOES create evil. I will give YOU scripture: Isaiah 45:7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Hello Maggie,

The translation you have is a poor one. It should read, "and creates calamity", not evil. The point being made here is that God is sovereign, and he can bring about judgement (calamity) on nations as he wills it. Judgement is NOT evil.

God allows evil because he created a world in which men have free will to choose evil. He did not create evil, but by creating beings with free will, (both angels and men), he created a world in which evil is possible.
 
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AnandaHya

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]HUH?? Yes, demons lie. That is what they were created to do. It's their JOB! Demons do not sin, they do wickedness as God designed them to do. It is OUR sin that allows them the right to attack.[/LEFT]
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why are you listening to the voice of this demon that tells you such lies?

Demons were NOT created by God. They DO SIN. otherwise GOD would be unjust to cast them into HELL and that is where they are going. If God made them and they did not sin then why are they being punished?

THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS TO ATTACK. that is a lie. they want power and claim it FALSELY. Claiming it comes from GOD. But that is another LIE.

IT is like saying that the murderer had a right to murder their victims because they were there and let themselves be caught.

It is like saying the child molestor had a right to abuse children because they allowed themselves to be kids.

Demons LIE and the HAVE NO RIGHTS. Only people who believe their lies and illusions give them control over their lives and the lives of those entrusted to their care. That is a SIN.

will you listen to God's voice or your pride? pray about it and think and listen before posting again please I ask you for the Love of Jesus, Pray.


Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.

2 Corinthians 9:8
And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work

Hebrews 6:4-6
New King James Version (NKJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away,[a] to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
 
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ANA: wow maggie I think I will do as Jesus taught us and give you scripture.

GOD DID NOT MAKE EVIL OR DEMONS, please stop blasphemy my Father's name.... But HE DOES create evil. I will give YOU scripture:
Isaiah 45:7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it. Any temptation that man CHOOSES to overcome IS overcome. But too often, man accepts the temptation, only to get trapped in the sin. This verse has nothing to do with God creating or allowing evil.
James 1:13
Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. BY GOD, correct. But man is not tempted by God, but by Satan and his unclean spirits. Get the Book "Can Christians Have a Demon?" Explains it very well.
Demons do not get inside you. they cover your like a filthy robe and try and suffocate you and by using their chains and prods get you to sin and speak words that lie and destroy your life and those of the people around you. they blind your eyes, they cause you to take drugs and do things that destroy your body and they keep you from doing and living life as God intends you to live. Well, the DO get inside and those that teach that they can't handle the fact that they do because it causes them FEAR. This is exactly what the devil wants. Because if a person does not realize that an unclean spirit can get inside, they will never take action to evict. it.
HOWEVER, GOD IS MORE POWERFUL! In the name of Jesus!!
God has given us a Spirit of POWER, LOVE and A Sound Mind. NOT OF FEAR. NOT OF HATE. NOT OF LIES. Too many people cannot recognize the lies. Hos 4:6 again. God HAS given us a spirit of power. But few truly walk in it.
I hear both the demons and the voice of God in my life. Like I said I hear demons and know they are demons because they speak OUTSIDE of my body So you hear them audibally? I doubt that unless you are speaking to people that are being used by Satan and the demons are speaking through them. Anything thought that comes through your mind (that being IN your head) comes from tormenters that are within. and God speaks within my heart. That is discernment. Because when God speaks into your heart or soul, your MIND must be able to RECEIVE the thought or encouragement or instruction for you to be able to ACT on it. IF the Holy Spirit lives in your heart, the demons will always remain OUTSIDE outside of your heart, yes. whispering in your ears and making you think they are in your mind but it is a LIE. Whispering is a Physical activity that necessitates a physical operative, like a person. THOUGHTS that are in your mind are IN your head and come from unclean spirits that have access to your MIND, in your head. It is NOT shameful to have unclean spirits!! Everyone does. But the key is to evict them when you realize their presence. And even IF, the demons were just sitting on your shoulder 'whispering', ARE YOU GOING TO LET THEM SIT THERE?? CAST THEM OFF!


It's really not funny but it did make me laugh to think of the demons inside of the person pretending to the person that they are talking from out side of the person.

Most people don't know they have demons in them or on them. Whether they think it is so or not dosen't matter to the demons. Usually it's a matter of pride. The big open doorway to demons that invites them in. Oh it's not going to happen to me. That way of thinking is just how it does happen.

To even come on this site is very dangerous to most people. Most people on this site don't have a relationship with God to lay down at his feet and ask him to protect them from getting all mad. And they don't go to God and ask him to help them with their anger the second they feel it.

They keep the anger and are open door ways to hell. Demons are riding the backs of Christians using Christians to attack and hurt people left and right.

Any Christian who is not having devils bother them on their walk with Christ is a person who is doing next to nothing for the Kingdom of God and is doing nothing to the kingdom of Satan. Why would the devils bother the person who is worthless to the Kingdom of God.

Any person who is saying a devil can't be in me is most likely filled with one or more. For years I have been telling people not to hate. They must forgive. They can not be jealous, on and on. The bible warns of this and I warn of this. The bible is warning of this because of the fact that to have these things devils can get in you.

How many people do you see everyday that have hate in their heart? Most likely a demon lives in them. Do you have hate in your heart??


 
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eternally-gratefull

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You don't know what your talking about. Why are you hearing hearing demons if the Holy Spirit canceled it out??
There is a difference between hearing demonic influence and a demon actually residing in the body. No demon can reside in a body where the HS resides. They can not abide in the same body.

This does not mean a demon can not "speak in ones ear" so to speak, and tempt a person to sin.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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MAYBE YOU ARE DEMON POSSESSED MAGGIE....but no christians i know are.
maybe i'm haning out with a boring crowd that isn't so important to God's Plan that satan himself hassles them daily and has his minions possess them at the drop of a hat.
keeps you busy i guess.

INSANITY.
A true Christian can not be demon possesed. Satan or demons can not posses a body which is possesed by the HS. And since a christian is eternally sealed by the HS. The HS will never leave to allow a demon to enter. No matter what.
 

superdave5221

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why are you listening to the voice of this demon that tells you such lies?

Demons were NOT created by God. They DO SIN. otherwise GOD would be unjust to cast them into HELL and that is where they are going. If God made them and they did not sin then why are they being punished?

Demons WERE created by God. They were not created as demons. They were created as angels. Because they had free will to worship God, or follow Satan (another created angel), they were allowed to fall into evil as their own personal choice. Having made this choice, to choose evil, they were cast out of heaven, along with their master Satan.

Only God the Father, Jesus Christ, and Holy Spirit are eternal and uncreated.
 
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being born in a country where 90% of the ppl are in witchcraft boi i have seen them tremble in Jesus name!
seen it many times and will see many come to Jesus after being freed from demons, about 60% ppl in our church came to know the lord after being delivered from looser of all tyms..
 
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AnandaHya

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Demons WERE created by God. They were not created as demons. They were created as angels. Because they had free will to worship God, or follow Satan (another created angel), they were allowed to fall into evil as their own personal choice. Having made this choice, to choose evil, they were cast out of heaven, along with their master Satan.

Only God the Father, Jesus Christ, and Holy Spirit are eternal and uncreated.
ah superdave, maggie has stated God has created demons as demons and that fallen angels are not demons....that was what I was addressing with my statement.

I believe demons are fallen angels but God did not make them. He made the angels not their fallen state. hope that clarifies.
 
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AnandaHya

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How many people do you see everyday that have hate in their heart? Most likely a demon lives in them. Do you have hate in your heart??


just because a leech is attached to you sucking your blood does not mean it is part of you or in control of you. though it can make you do things you would not normally and can infect and kill you with their poisonous words and thoughts. Even if it was a tapeworm and lived in your gut it is still not consider are part of who YOU are. demons are parasites and deadly virus but the soul is not infected just the fleshly body. the soul still has a choice: God or sin.
 
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superdave5221

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ah superdave, maggie has stated God has created demons as demons and that fallen angels are not demons....that was what I was addressing with my statement.

I believe demons are fallen angels but God did not make them. He made the angels not their fallen state. hope that clarifies.
Yes it does. I haven't read all of the previous posts. Thanks for clarifying.
 
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AnandaHya

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being born in a country where 90% of the ppl are in witchcraft boi i have seen them tremble in Jesus name!
seen it many times and will see many come to Jesus after being freed from demons, about 60% ppl in our church came to know the lord after being delivered from looser of all tyms..
I'd love to hear their testimonies if you have the time and permission to share them.