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Is modern day "deliverance ministry" from God?

  • yes

    Votes: 11 68.8%
  • no

    Votes: 3 18.8%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 1 6.3%
  • other (please explain below)

    Votes: 1 6.3%

  • Total voters
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AnandaHya

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I believe that Ananda's point is that I could have left out the attitude at the end of my posting. She is right, of course. I am sorry Maggie, for stressing my point in an unChristian way. I do get carried away at times. Please forgive me.

I realize that you have a good Christian heart, and are only trying your best to understand God's word, and to do his will, as are the rest of us.
:) No not my point, but God's word is powerful and reminds us to act Christian :) Love you bro :)
 
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MaggieMye

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Revelation 16:13-15
New King James Version (NKJV)
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and[a] of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 “Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.” Point?
1 Corinthians 15:39-41
New King James Version (NKJV)
39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh[a] of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory. All this is saying is that each star in the physical universe has its own beauty. It has NOTHING to do with angels.
Spirits have no flesh, Angels have their own celestial flesh. Not Biblical. The battle is not in what this world considers the "mind" but in the spirit realm. Demons can do nothing without people to operate through. Angels control the weather, hold back rivers and move mountains and more upon the orders of God. and where do you get THAT from? It is not in the Bible. It can be seen in the spirit realm but to toss off your earthly body to walk there is forbidden by the Bible except when God walks with you are sends for you. actually, because we are His children AND we have Christ withIN us, we HAVE access to Him and Heaven at all times. It is called "vision", transportation, joint heir with Christ Jesus to the right hand of God. What father would forbid his children to be in his presence? No loving father would. Our heavenly Father is a LOVING Father who desires a relationship with us. You cannot have a relationship with someone you cannot be in the presence of. We are to walk in the Spirit at all times. And no one 'tosses off their body'. What does that even mean?
And we DO live in two realms at once, both the natural (Physical earth) and the spiritual. But the "world" is a SYSTEM from which we are to come out of SO we can walk in the Spirit. If we do not walk in the Spirit, it is because we are OF the world.
 
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just because a leech is attached to you sucking your blood does not mean it is part of you or in control of you. though it can make you do things you would not normally and can infect and kill you with their poisonous words and thoughts. Even if it was a tapeworm and lived in your gut it is still not consider are part of who YOU are. demons are parasites and deadly virus but the soul is not infected just the fleshly body. the soul still has a choice: God or sin.

I know a Christian who has a demonic snake living inside of her. Tearing her inside ups. Sexual sin. She loves God. Does the what she can to obey God. Like most Christians she only does some of what God says.

I see so called Christians with demons inside of them all the time. Ever watch them rip someone a part on this site?? Give me a break! I've seen them lash you up one side and down the other.

Pride. You all need to learn much more. Babies teaching babies. They die from lack of knowledge. Lots of people here won't even admit a demon has them sick so they can stay sick instead of casting the demon of sickness out of them in Jesus. Makes no sense to me.
 
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It was more the false doctrines and teaching about deliverance that I was addressing in the thread. The demons have mixed God's truth with lies and are deceiving the nations.

I am just stating casting out demons is for bring people to God not maintaining a Christian lifestyle. For that latter we have the teachings of the Holy Spirit.

Most people on this site don't believe in the Holy Spirit remember?? He can't talk. The gifts were for people in the bible days.
 

zone

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actually, because we are His children AND we have Christ withIN us, we HAVE access to Him and Heaven at all times. It is called "vision", transportation, joint heir with Christ Jesus to the right hand of God. What father would forbid his children to be in his presence? No loving father would. Our heavenly Father is a LOVING Father who desires a relationship with us. You cannot have a relationship with someone you cannot be in the presence of. We are to walk in the Spirit at all times.
maggie have you been transported to the right hand of God?
 

zone

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I know a Christian who has a demonic snake living inside of her. Tearing her inside ups. Sexual sin. She loves God. Does the what she can to obey God. Like most Christians she only does some of what God says.


I see so called Christians with demons inside of them all the time. Ever watch them rip someone a part on this site?? Give me a break! I've seen them lash you up one side and down the other.
demon possession? how about indignation (or disgust) at statements like the above in blue.

Christian who has a demonic snake living inside of her

what kind of sick mind comes up with this rubbish?

Pride. You all need to learn much more. Pride Babies teaching babies. Pride They die from lack of knowledge. Pride Lots of people here won't even admit a demon has them sick so they can stay sick instead of casting the demon of sickness out of them in Jesus. Makes no sense to me.
<< because its delusional gaga.
 

zone

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Most people on this site don't believe in the Holy Spirit remember?? He can't talk. The gifts were for people in the bible days.
FROM:
http://www.demonbuster.com/

BOYCE and BOICE are two demons that interfere with any electronic equipment, i.e., phone, computer, printer, automobile, etc. If something malfunctions, command these two demons to leave your equipment, in the name of Jesus. We get many emails saying this worked. If it does not work, demons are not causing the problem.



One Recommended Spiritual Warfare Prayer to pray at least daily
Print this out and pray it often. This is an anti-evil Prayer.

In the name of JESUS, I cover myself and the one reading this with the Blood of JESUS. I ask for giant warrior angels to protect us. As your war club and weapons of war, I break down, undam, and blow up all walls of protection around all witches, warlocks, wizards, satanists, sorcerers, and the like, and I break the power of all curses, hexes, vexes, spells, charms, fetishes, psychic prayers, psychic thoughts, all witchcraft, sorcery, magic, voodoo, all mind control, jinxes, potions, bewitchments, death, destruction, sickness, pain, torment, psychic power, psychic warfare, prayer chains, incense and candle burning, incantations, chanting, blessings, hoodoo, crystals, root works, and everything else being sent my way, or my family member's way, or any Deliverance Ministries way, and I return it, and the demons to the sender, SEVENFOLD, and I bind it to them by the Blood of Jesus, and I cut and burn their ungodly silver cord and lay lines, in JESUS' Name.
 
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AnandaHya

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yeah zone I found the above has too much "I" and not enough "Jesus" for me. Here if I were to use it it would have to read as such:

In the Name OF Jesus. May God cover me and everyone reading this with the Blood of Jesus. May He watch over us and protect us. May He break down the forces of darkness that try and entrap and snare us. May He bless those who have evil thoughts towards me and the people of God by touching their heart and turning from their sinful dark practices. May they repent of their evils and darkness and come into the light and receive the salvation of Jesus Christ who died for the world. May all come to know God. Jesus please bind all demons and forces of darkness that would hinder this knowledge and destroy any power that would war against You O Lord. In Jesus name we pray. Amen.
 
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AnandaHya

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maggie have you been transported to the right hand of God?
the joint heir statement and grasping for God's power is concerning. the idea of "I will become like Jesus in power and stand next to Him when I get to Heaven" is very unbiblical. We will become like Jesus in body but we will be before the throne at God's feet worshiping and praising our Lord and Savior. The words reminds me of a certain spirit who spoke them in ancient times and still leads people astray today.

Isaiah 14:11-13
New King James Version (NKJV)
11 Your pomp is brought down to Sheol,
And the sound of your stringed instruments;
The maggot is spread under you,
And worms cover you.&#8217;

The Fall of Lucifer

12 &#8220; How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,[a] son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:

&#8216; I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;



We will not be beside the throne but Before it, praising our King and Savior. there is a BIG difference.

Revelations 7
9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, &#8220;Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!&#8221; 11 All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying:


&#8220; Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom,
Thanksgiving and honor and power and might,
Be to our God forever and ever.
Amen.&#8221;

13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, &#8220;Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?&#8221;
14 And I said to him, &#8220;Sir, you know.&#8221;
So he said to me, &#8220;These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters.[c] And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.&#8221;


It is an honor to even approach the throne of God

Loveschild, we do not need to go around telling people and scaring them that they have demons inside them. Just cast out the demons through prayer and by asking God to do it. then teach them how to speak to the Holy Spirit themselves. For if they do not know how to listen and pray to the Holy Spirit then they will be under attack again and some would agrue are not really Christians to begin with. therefore if they have the indwelling Holy SPirit they should be able to listen and speak with God and will not need outside interference, just guidance to understand the mysteries of being oracles of God. tell people they have demons and not doing anything to help is cruel and mean and not what Jesus did or taught His followers to do. Stop cursing them by telling them they have demons and making them doubt they have God and the Holy Spirit inside of them.Instead if you are able teach them how to Hear the Voice of God, the Holy Spirit for then God can tell them what to do and how to grow in His love and Truth.


Romans 3:2
Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God.

Hebrews 5:12
[ Spiritual Immaturity ] For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food.

1 Peter 4:11
If anyone speaks, let him speak as the oracles of God. If anyone ministers, let him do it as with the ability which God supplies, that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belong the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.
 
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zone

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THE PERSONAL CUTSEY VISITS TO HEAVEN, OR PERSONAL VISITS WITH JESUS ARE A STAPLE OF THIS GROUP.

HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HEAR THIS DAILY?

GOD SAID THIS, GOD TOLD ME THAT; THE SPIRIT TOLD ME THIS; I AM A PROPHET; etc....



C. Peter Wagner: Rebuilding the Tower of Babel

C. Peter Wagner has basically appointed himself as the head of the prophetic movement within the Charismatic branch of Christianity.

Wagner, a graduate of Fuller Theological Seminary, lends credibility to the movement. He also subscribes to 'Dominionist' theology. Dominionism basically asserts that Christians should infiltrate various aspects of society (he calls them the 'seven mountains') including foreign governments around the world. Infiltrating these 'seven mountains' would allow power to accrue to a select few including, of course, C. Peter Wagner and Chuck Pierce.

....Now many Christians are oblivious to what is going on with this so-called prophetic movement. They are in the process of attempting to establish a network of Churches around the globe with themselves at the top of the pile.

But you should listen to the babbling that comes from those closest to Wagner. These so-called Apostles and Prophets continually speak absolute nonsense. Honestly, the things they say make no sense to a sane person with average intelligence. Cindy Jacobs, for example, believes that her clothes are anointed and have the power to heal and she assures people that dry cleaning won't affect the anointing. Chuck Pierce talks of peoples spleen 'laughing' during certain times of the year and no, I am NOT joking. They really say this stuff. Do a Google search and find out for yourself. It's everywhere. Look at some of the 'prophetic words' on 'The Elijah List' or watch GOD TV for a night.

A fascinating facet of this movement are the Kabbalistic teachings that Chuck Pierce attempts to incorporate into Christianity. If you're not familiar with Kabbalah, it is a form of Jewish mysticism with adherents as famous as Madonna. As far as I can tell, Kabbalah appears to incorporate various aspects of Zoroastrianism (based on astrology and prominent in Ancient Persia) with Judaism. An element of Zoroastrianism and mystic religions of Persia was the belief that one could ascend to heaven by gaining secret knowledge. In fact, the word 'Babel' from the Book of Genesis literally means 'gate of god'. This Persian loanword sounded like the Hebrew word for confusion. You might remember that the tower of Babel is where God confounded or confused the languages of the nations.

Towers like the tower of Babel in Iraq are closely tied with astrology and attempts to attain eternal life through secret knowledge. Some of this knowledge was available, they believed, through astrology. What does Chuck Pierce teach? You guessed it - astrology. He relates the zodiac sign with personal character traits. Also prominent among the teaching of these false prophets is the idea that one can enter into heaven through various portals. Sound incredible?

Watch this video with Bob Jones who, along with Todd Bentley explains how to ascend into the third heaven.

Theology and Life: C. Peter Wagner: Rebuilding the Tower of Babel
 

zone

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yeah zone I found the above has too much "I" and not enough "Jesus" for me. Here if I were to use it it would have to read as such:

In the Name OF Jesus. May God cover me and everyone reading this with the Blood of Jesus. May He watch over us and protect us. May He break down the forces of darkness that try and entrap and snare us. May He bless those who have evil thoughts towards me and the people of God by touching their heart and turning from their sinful dark practices. May they repent of their evils and darkness and come into the light and receive the salvation of Jesus Christ who died for the world. May all come to know God. Jesus please bind all demons and forces of darkness that would hinder this knowledge and destroy any power that would war against You O Lord. In Jesus name we pray. Amen.
OR:

Luke 11
1 And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.

2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
3 Give us day by day our daily bread. 4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
 
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AnandaHya

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OR:

Luke 11
1 And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.

2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
3 Give us day by day our daily bread. 4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
lol yeah that is always a good one. Or simply:

Lord I am a sinner, Have mercy upon my soul.
 
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AnandaHya

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can't believe he ( Peter Wagner) published his take over the world scheme under the title 7 mountains. wow, thought satan would be slicker about it.

Revelations 17
9 &#8220;Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. 10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. 11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition


C Peter Wagner | 7 Mountains
Mountain #1: Media &#8211; fallen
Mountain #2: Government &#8211; fallen
Mountain #3: Religion &#8211; in the process
Mountain #4: Education &#8211;fallen
Mountain #5: Celebration &#8211; fallen
Mountain #6: Economy &#8211; fallen
Mountain #7: Family &#8211; taking a beating

hmmm seems like Satan's game plan is working so far.....

well I'm going to focus on My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and trust in His promises:

2 Timothy 1:7
For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.
 

zone

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can't believe he ( Peter Wagner) published his take over the world scheme under the title 7 mountains. wow, thought satan would be slicker about it..
satan doesn't have to be slick.
he was successful in convincing people the Bible isn't important; that experiences are important; that biblical illiteracy is chic and cool when you have supernatural powers.
he can't do much with serious students of the Word: the rest are sitting ducks.
 
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AnandaHya

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lol God does tell us we have Super natural powers. They are super because they come from God and they are natural because they involve loving GOD with all our hearts, souls and minds and loving one another. ;)

lol j/k I know what you're talking about Zone but I still think God works miracles, He just tells people to FREELY give and as we have Freely been given and

all this money corruption and sexual immorality in the "prophetic" circles tell you where their powering coming from and it is not of God.

Prophecy exists, deliverance exist but they are to be about and through the testimony of our Lord Jesus Christ and not through signs and miracles but through Faith and Trust and Love. Through confession of the mouth that Jesus is Lord and savior and faith in the heart that your words are truly spoken.

this is done by people telling them the TRUE Gospel of salvation: that Jesus Christ died for THEM and God wants them as His beloved children.

then the signs and wonders may happen but God saves with or without chosen Human vessels. He has His angels to deliver and do such things. He can use people if He so chooses, but discernment and wisdom comes from the Lord and everyone really needs to pray for more of it.

Anyway good nit and I'll be off for a while, taking a vacation to visit the in laws :) hope you guys stay blessed.
 
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toysoldier1610

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If you wander into witchcraft out of curiosity, (reading about it, whatever) demons have legal right to mess with you in a witchy way. they can do just about anything if it's related to that because you opened the door for them. you have to repent, renounce, break all vows/curses/etc, & command that they leave in Jesus name.
they have legal rights when we give them legal rights.
just like the kid that looks at porn by mistake & ends up being addicted for 30 years because he gave demons legal right to throw it in his face, torment him with thoughts, etc.
 
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vahn

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zone reminds me of the pharisee that blamed Jesus for casting out demons with demons

17 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them: &#8220;Any kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and a house divided against itself will fall. 18 If Satan is divided against himself, how can his kingdom stand? I say this because you claim that I drive out demons by Beelzebul. 19 Now if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your followers drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 20 But if I drive out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

you carelessly whip around words without any idea what you are actually saying. i remember God saying something very heavy after this verse too too.

31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

if it is not of God, it will not pass. but if it is of God; behold the kingdom of God is upon you.

keep a leash on your words.
 

damombomb

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If that is not enough for you, I was ministering to a woman one day and a spirit manifested itself to me after I said the word of God is quick and powerful, more than any twoedged sword,I was a baby in the Lord,called my pastor,he said I should have rebuked it in the name of Jesus!
I was weirded out at the moment,but yes those fallen angels do possess people,unforgiveness is also bad.The word says first you bind the strong
man(bad spirit,then he takes his goods with him(other spirits).this is very real!What do you think those fallen angels who are in chains of darkness
do?They especially will try to mess with a true believer,just ask one. they have to rebuke them on a daily basis.Anything that exalts itself against
the word of God. When Jesus was baptized he went into the wilderness and immediately the enemy came to tempt him.
 
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zone reminds me of the pharisee that blamed Jesus for casting out demons with demons

17 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them: “Any kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and a house divided against itself will fall. 18 If Satan is divided against himself, how can his kingdom stand? I say this because you claim that I drive out demons by Beelzebul. 19 Now if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your followers drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 20 But if I drive out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

you carelessly whip around words without any idea what you are actually saying. i remember God saying something very heavy after this verse too too.

31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

if it is not of God, it will not pass. but if it is of God; behold the kingdom of God is upon you.

keep a leash on your words.

WORD, and very good one.
 
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Crossfire

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I've read books on deliverance and I'll be honest with you, Satan is given far too much credit.

In the beginning God gave man dominion over this world. Adam both disqualified himself and surrendered that dominion to Satan when he chose to follow in Satan's footsteps by believing that his (man's) ways was / is better than God's way.

In a sense, Jesus reclaimed dominion for mankind through his life, death, burial and resurrection (redemption). When a believer comes to saving faith in Jesus Christ, we become partakers of (have access to) that dominion through Christ in Jesus name.

However, we must understand that it is entirely possible that, through our own sin, we surrender dominion over our circumstances to Satan.

On the other hand, it is our faith in Christ resulting in adherence to His word, which allows the Holy Spirit to operate freely in and through us.

Galatians 6: 6-8 " Let him who is taught the word share in all good things with him who teaches. Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life."

Deliverance ministry is unnecessary for those who understand the importance of living a fully surrendered, consecrated life leaving Satan little opportunity to gain access to our own lives and the lives of those in our circle of influence.
 
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