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VineyardsOfEngedi

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You can believe what you want. How is that? :)

Ohhhh, I get it. You are building this straw man argument to give credibility to a Sunday sabbath. Nice try! I honestly didn't know what your point was.

I remember my cousin trying to disprove the Bible using Genesis 1.

Can I ask which website you found this gem at ("light dark light = morning evening morning = first day") , or did you figure this out on your own?
In one of my previous post I stated that the Friday sunset to Saturday sunset is inaccurate, that the real Sabbath is 8 days after the new moon, which also is a Sabbath. I also mentioned that the Sabbath falls any day of the week each month.

I learned about the sabbath based on the new moon sometime back then recently while reading Genesis I noticed that.
 
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In one of my previous post I stated that the Friday sunset to Saturday sunset is inaccurate, that the real Sabbath is 8 days after the new moon, which also is a Sabbath. I also mentioned that the Sabbath falls any day of the week each month.

I learned about the sabbath based on the new moon sometime back then recently while reading Genesis I noticed that.
The weekly Sabbath is not dependent on any lunar schedule: ONLY THE YEARLY SABBATHS WERE.
 

kinda

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In one of my previous post I stated that the Friday sunset to Saturday sunset is inaccurate, that the real Sabbath is 8 days after the new moon, which also is a Sabbath. I also mentioned that the Sabbath falls any day of the week each month.

I learned about the sabbath based on the new moon sometime back then recently while reading Genesis I noticed that.

Do you have a Bible verse that you are referring to, "the real Sabbath is 8 days after the new moon"?

I dug this up...

23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah 66:23&version=KJV
 

VineyardsOfEngedi

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Do you have a Bible verse that you are referring to, "the real Sabbath is 8 days after the new moon"?

I dug this up...

23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah 66:23&version=KJV
No, the sabbath is 7 days after the new moon which technically falls on the 8th day and this has more information. I don't recall if this site talks about 8 days of creation but I came to that conclusion

New Moons, Sabbaths, & the Gregorian Calendar (worldslastchance.com)
 

kinda

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No, the sabbath is 7 days after the new moon which technically falls on the 8th day and this has more information. I don't recall if this site talks about 8 days of creation but I came to that conclusion

New Moons, Sabbaths, & the Gregorian Calendar (worldslastchance.com)
You can believe what you want, but do you have a Bible verse? It sounds like you don't.

Here is a link on Sabbaths.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbath

More evidence that the Catholic Church changed the sabbath to Sunday.

Seventh-day versus First-day
"Main articles: Sabbath in Christianity and Sabbath in seventh-day churches

In 321 AD, Roman emperor Constantine the Great enacted the first civil law regarding Sunday observance. The law did not mention the Sabbath by name, but referred to a day of rest on "the venerable day of the sun."


On the venerable day of the sun let the magistrate and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however, persons engaged in agricultural work may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain growing or for vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.[9]

An Abridgment of the Christian Doctrine:

Q. How prove you that the church hath power to command feasts and holy days? A. By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of; and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same church. Q. How prove you that? A. Because by keeping Sunday, they acknowledge the church’s power to ordain feasts, and to command them under sin; and by not keeping the rest [of the feasts] by her commanded, they again deny, in fact, the same power.[10]
The Augsburg Confession:

They [the Catholics] allege the Sabbath changed into Sunday, the Lord’s day, contrary to the decalogue, as it appears; neither is there any example more boasted of than the changing of the Sabbath day. Great, they say, is the power and authority of the church, since it dispensed with one of the ten commandments.[11]
A Doctrinal Catechism,

Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept? A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her. She could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.[12]
Catholic Christian:

Q. Has the [Catholic] church power to make any alterations in the commandments of God? A. ...Instead of the seventh day, and other festivals appointed by the old law, the church has prescribed the Sundays and holy days to be set apart for God’s worship; and these we are now obliged to keep in consequence of God’s commandment, instead of the ancient Sabbath.[13]
The Catechism of the Council of Trent:

The Church of God has thought it well to transfer the celebration and observance of the Sabbath to Sunday![14] New moon"
 

ZNP

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Hi, as I said I am a Seventh Day Adventist. The only reason this question answer post is here is because I have seen many people throw things at my Faith without really knowing what we believe.
I have heard that you guys seek to honor the Sabbath according to the Bible is that true?
 

Nehemiah6

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In one of my previous post I stated that the Friday sunset to Saturday sunset is inaccurate,
So millions are wrong but you have made a new discovery? Amazing. However, the Jewish Encyclopedia confirms the meaning of day as presented in the creation account: "The day is reckoned from evening to evening—i.e., night and day—except in reference to sacrifices, where daytime and the night following constitute one day (Lev. vii. 15; see Calendar)." So sunset to sunset is the correct meaning, and someone has misled you.
 

VineyardsOfEngedi

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You can believe what you want, but do you have a Bible verse? It sounds like you don't.

Here is a link on Sabbaths.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbath

More evidence that the Catholic Church changed the sabbath to Sunday.

Seventh-day versus First-day
"Main articles: Sabbath in Christianity and Sabbath in seventh-day churches

In 321 AD, Roman emperor Constantine the Great enacted the first civil law regarding Sunday observance. The law did not mention the Sabbath by name, but referred to a day of rest on "the venerable day of the sun."


On the venerable day of the sun let the magistrate and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however, persons engaged in agricultural work may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain growing or for vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.[9]

An Abridgment of the Christian Doctrine:

Q. How prove you that the church hath power to command feasts and holy days? A. By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of; and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same church. Q. How prove you that? A. Because by keeping Sunday, they acknowledge the church’s power to ordain feasts, and to command them under sin; and by not keeping the rest [of the feasts] by her commanded, they again deny, in fact, the same power.[10]
The Augsburg Confession:

They [the Catholics] allege the Sabbath changed into Sunday, the Lord’s day, contrary to the decalogue, as it appears; neither is there any example more boasted of than the changing of the Sabbath day. Great, they say, is the power and authority of the church, since it dispensed with one of the ten commandments.[11]
A Doctrinal Catechism,

Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept? A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her. She could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.[12]
Catholic Christian:

Q. Has the [Catholic] church power to make any alterations in the commandments of God? A. ...Instead of the seventh day, and other festivals appointed by the old law, the church has prescribed the Sundays and holy days to be set apart for God’s worship; and these we are now obliged to keep in consequence of God’s commandment, instead of the ancient Sabbath.[13]
The Catechism of the Council of Trent:

The Church of God has thought it well to transfer the celebration and observance of the Sabbath to Sunday![14] New moon"
I shared a website with you New Moons, Sabbaths, & the Gregorian Calendar (worldslastchance.com) and I don't believe sunday is the sabbath. I am saying the sabbath is not tied to any day of the week because it falls each on each one.
 

VineyardsOfEngedi

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I have heard that you guys seek to honor the Sabbath according to the Bible is that true?
He hasn't been active since December, 2020 and I think you need to expound your question. What do you consider according to the Bible?
 

VineyardsOfEngedi

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So millions are wrong but you have made a new discovery? Amazing. However, the Jewish Encyclopedia confirms the meaning of day as presented in the creation account: "The day is reckoned from evening to evening—i.e., night and day—except in reference to sacrifices, where daytime and the night following constitute one day (Lev. vii. 15; see Calendar)." So sunset to sunset is the correct meaning, and someone has misled you.
Matthew 28:1

“In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.”

So how do you explain this?
 

ZNP

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He hasn't been active since December, 2020 and I think you need to expound your question. What do you consider according to the Bible?
The book of Leviticus tells us we need to keep the Sabbath, is that what the Seventh day Adventists are referring to?
 

kinda

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Matthew 28:1

“In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.”

So how do you explain this?
Well, we can look at other Bible translations for help.

New Living Translation
Early on Sunday morning, as the new day was dawning, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went out to visit the tomb.

New International Version
After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.

Berean Study Bible
After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb.

New King James Version
Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.

Contemporary English Version
The Sabbath was over, and it was almost daybreak on Sunday when Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb.

https://biblehub.com/matthew/28-1.htm

I shared a website with you New Moons, Sabbaths, & the Gregorian Calendar (worldslastchance.com) and I don't believe sunday is the sabbath. I am saying the sabbath is not tied to any day of the week because it falls each on each one.
You should start your own thread or try to stay on topic, that's what I would recommend.
 

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Matthew 28:1 “In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.” So how do you explain this?
Simple.

1. The Sabbath ended at sunset on Saturday evening. Matthew wanted to make sure that we understood that the Sabbath was over. Some claim that Christ arose on the Sabbath, which is completely false. Since His resurrection was the fulfillment of the Feast of First Fruits, He arose "on the morrow after the Sabbath".

2. The first day of the week began immediately after sunset on Saturday. But Christ may have risen after midnight since He is "the Morning Star" (Rev 22:16). [The morning star appears a few hours before sunrise, then disappears].

3. Matthew was focusing our attention on the early morning hours of the first day of the week, probably around 4:00 - 5:00 a.m. By then Christ was long gone from the tomb.

4. What we generally fail to notice is that the women coming to the tomb with burial spices was actually an indication of unbelief. What should have really happened is that all the women and the apostles should have come to the tomb with the full assurance that it would be empty, and to confirm its emptiness. But not one of them believed what Christ had already told them several times. That He would rise after three days and three nights. And some would not believe even after eye-witnesses told them that they had seen the Risen Savior.
 

VineyardsOfEngedi

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Well, we can look at other Bible translations for help.

New Living Translation
Early on Sunday morning, as the new day was dawning, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went out to visit the tomb.

New International Version
After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.

Berean Study Bible
After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb.

New King James Version
Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.

Contemporary English Version
The Sabbath was over, and it was almost daybreak on Sunday when Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb.

https://biblehub.com/matthew/28-1.htm



You should start your own thread or try to stay on topic, that's what I would recommend.
Yes, clearly those verses in any version you pick indicates that the day begins at dawn not sunset. And I don't know what you mean by stay on topic? What topic? I thought they were talking about the Sabbath so I put my two cents, my bad. No need for a thread, that's all I have to say on my input.
 

VineyardsOfEngedi

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The book of Leviticus tells us we need to keep the Sabbath, is that what the Seventh day Adventists are referring to?
They believe the fourth commandment of keeping the Sabbath and they believe that the Catholics changed it from the Sabbath to Sunday, since the Catholics themselves have claimed this.
 

VineyardsOfEngedi

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Simple.

1. The Sabbath ended at sunset on Saturday evening. Matthew wanted to make sure that we understood that the Sabbath was over. Some claim that Christ arose on the Sabbath, which is completely false. Since His resurrection was the fulfillment of the Feast of First Fruits, He arose "on the morrow after the Sabbath".

2. The first day of the week began immediately after sunset on Saturday. But Christ may have risen after midnight since He is "the Morning Star" (Rev 22:16). [The morning star appears a few hours before sunrise, then disappears].

3. Matthew was focusing our attention on the early morning hours of the first day of the week, probably around 4:00 - 5:00 a.m. By then Christ was long gone from the tomb.

4. What we generally fail to notice is that the women coming to the tomb with burial spices was actually an indication of unbelief. What should have really happened is that all the women and the apostles should have come to the tomb with the full assurance that it would be empty, and to confirm its emptiness. But not one of them believed what Christ had already told them several times. That He would rise after three days and three nights. And some would not believe even after eye-witnesses told them that they had seen the Risen Savior.
The point I was making is that the verse indicates when the day begins.
 

ZNP

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Hi Muskokaman, thanx for the questions.
You asked about the Sabbath. I celebrate the 7th day Sabbath as found in the 4th commandment.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
So this post answered my question (I realize gotime no longer is active but maybe someone else can help me).

I have no issue with someone wanting to faithfully keep the word of God concerning the Sabbath but how do you do it? The first day of the month is the new moon, the Sabbaths are then the 7th, 14th, 21st, and then the 28th is a 2-3 day New Moon sabbath. Are you self employed? Obviously if you are trying to faithfully keep the word of God you certainly wouldn't profane God's word by thinking Saturn's day, a day named after Satan was God's Sabbath.

I get it that some people are judgemental but these are probably the novices because anyone who knows the word of God knows we are not to be judgemental concerning the Sabbath

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day: 17 which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ’s.