The real mark of the Beast

[lawrence101]

the vax is not the mark.

it is a training tool for the mark, getting people used to the idea of having to do something , take something to be a part of everyday society...

Ive said that as well that the vax isnt the mark , but the powers that be are using this manufactured health crisis to force conformity on the general populace so that when the mark does come out there will be little resistance if any. Im expecting the next move will soon be compulsory vaccination for everyone no matter what your political or religous convictions are. Actually just heard this:
Tensions rise across Europe as countries introduce Covid measures and compulsory vaccines - BBC News

 

[Friend]

The mark of the Beast is the unholy monetary system ("mamon of unrighteousness") where there is the image of someone having been involved in bloodshed (his name Benjamin) (and his number 100) but during the Trib bartering will be illegal by death.

 

[Friend]

Jesus said: “Come up Here!” His kingdom starts UP in heaven

Jesus has a mystery and says "the seven lampstands are the seven churches"​

Rev 1:20 “As for the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches

Jesus says He "walks among the seven golden lamp stands"​

Rev 2:1“To the angel of the church in Ephesus write: The One who holds the seven stars in His right hand, the One who walks among the seven golden lampstands, says this:

Now Jesus is saying He "has the Seven Spirits of God". We see where they come from and where they go.

Rev 3:1 “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars, says this: ‘I know your deeds, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.

There is a door open in heaven and a Voice like a trumpet "Says Come Up Here"
"After These Things"

Rev 4:1 After these things I looked, and behold, a door open in heaven, and the first voice which I had heard, like the sound of a trumpet speaking with me, said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after these things.

After a reception of lightning and thunder Seven Lamps of Fire appear in front of the throne; and look what it says they are. Now the lamps that were on earth are before the throne, and do you remember what Jesus said the lamps were: that's right He said they were the churches; But now they are being called the Seven Spirits of God. And it just keeps getting better.

Rev 4:5 Out from the throne come flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder. And there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God

Let's do a little review: Jesus said that the seven golden lamps on earth are the churches. Then after a voice like the sound of trumpet says come up here, and after a reception of lightning and thunder coming out from the throne: now the seven lamps are in heaven, but now they are being called the Seven Spirit of God. So you can look at the previous verse to see that it's all true. But move forward is the greatest thing we could ever see. So now we know the Seven Spirits of God are the Seven Churches.

Rev 5:6 And I saw between the throne (with the four living creatures) and the elders a Lamb standing, as if it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, that were sent out into all the earth.

So there we have it. The greatest thing one could ever imagine: Right there is the Head of the
Lamb are Seven Eyes that are the Seven Spirits of God that were sent to ALL THE EARTH.
So We are on The Throne Just As Jesus Promised We would be. Therefore, We are Raptured off of the Earth and seated on Our throne, Immediately before all the Murder and Mayhem begins.

Below is the Promise.

Rev 3:21-22 ‘He who overcomes, I will grant to Him to sit down with Me on My throne, just as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

Dan 7:13“I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, One like a Son of Man was coming on the clouds of heaven. And He came up to be presented before the Ancient of Days.

People ask where the Rapture is in the old Testament. It's in the Little Book/Daniel where we see many aspects of Revelations.

Rev 3:22 ‘He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches.’” ​

 

[lawrence101]

Jesus said: “Come up Here!” His kingdom starts UP in heaven

Jesus has a mystery and says "the seven lampstands are the seven churches"​

Rev 1:20 “As for the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches

Jesus says He "walks among the seven golden lamp stands"​

Rev 2:1“To the angel of the church in Ephesus write: The One who holds the seven stars in His right hand, the One who walks among the seven golden lampstands, says this:

Now Jesus is saying He "has the Seven Spirits of God". We see where they come from and where they go.

Rev 3:1 “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars, says this: ‘I know your deeds, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.

There is a door open in heaven and a Voice like a trumpet "Says Come Up Here"
"After These Things"

Rev 4:1 After these things I looked, and behold, a door open in heaven, and the first voice which I had heard, like the sound of a trumpet speaking with me, said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after these things.

After a reception of lightning and thunder Seven Lamps of Fire appear in front of the throne; and look what it says they are. Now the lamps that were on earth are before the throne, and do you remember what Jesus said the lamps were: that's right He said they were the churches; But now they are being called the Seven Spirits of God. And it just keeps getting better.

Rev 4:5 Out from the throne come flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder. And there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God

Let's do a little review: Jesus said that the seven golden lamps on earth are the churches. Then after a voice like the sound of trumpet says come up here, and after a reception of lightning and thunder coming out from the throne: now the seven lamps are in heaven, but now they are being called the Seven Spirit of God. So you can look at the previous verse to see that it's all true. But move forward is the greatest thing we could ever see. So now we know the Seven Spirits of God are the Seven Churches.

Rev 5:6 And I saw between the throne (with the four living creatures) and the elders a Lamb standing, as if it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, that were sent out into all the earth.

So there we have it. The greatest thing one could ever imagine: Right there is the Head of the
Lamb are Seven Eyes that are the Seven Spirits of God that were sent to ALL THE EARTH.
So We are on The Throne Just As Jesus Promised We would be. Therefore, We are Raptured off of the Earth and seated on Our throne, Immediately before all the Murder and Mayhem begins.

Below is the Promise.

Rev 3:21-22 ‘He who overcomes, I will grant to Him to sit down with Me on My throne, just as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

Dan 7:13“I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, One like a Son of Man was coming on the clouds of heaven. And He came up to be presented before the Ancient of Days.

People ask where the Rapture is in the old Testament. It's in the Little Book/Daniel where we see many aspects of Revelations.

Rev 3:22 ‘He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches.’” ​

Yes sounds encouraging, but since this is a future event , who exactly are the 7 present churches on Earth right now ? There are many christian denominations.

 

[Friend]

Yes sounds encouraging, but since this is a future event , who exactly are the 7 present churches on Earth right now ? There are many christian denominations.

The key is to follow the seven lamps where they go; After all Jesus confirms that they are the churches. One must consider that from the time of the VOICE LIKE THE SOUND OF A Trumpet saying, "COME UP HERE!", Jesus goes completely silent for EIGHTEEN CHAPTERS... Moreover, after seeing the CHURCH mentioned NINETEEN TIMES in the FIRST THREE CHAPTERS, it is only mentioned one more time, but not until NINETEEN CHAPTERS LATER!

After Chapter three we are only seeing SIGNS, AND SYMBOLS reminiscent of the Apostle, Israel, and the Prophets that were given promises regarding their own people; THAT IS, serving their Lord in a Kingdom of Perpetual Peace, but this peace being proceeded by the times of "JACOBS TROUBLE" = SEVEN YEARS. Including DIALOUGE indicative of 144,000 Jewish men willing to be martyred for the sake of the Gospel.

To understand who and where the Seven Churches are now and in the future, It is a matter of following them from where they are on earth. And if you remember, Jesus said the "SEVEN GOLDEN LAMPSSTANDS ARE THE SEVEN CHURCHES,

The voice like a sound of the trumpet. takes John into a simulation of what the future holds for us, and paying very close attention to what God sees will be the Key to understanding who we are in the future. Following the sevens from earth, and following them all the way to way to were they go is revealed in the following verse. But this is in the future when we are in our Spirit Body. But remember these are symbols of what we are in the future, that tell a very powerful story.

Rev 5:6 And I saw in the middle of the throne (with the four living creatures) and the elders a Lamb standing as if slain, having seven eyes seven horns, (((((((which are the seven Spirits of God, sent out into all the earth)))))))

You can backtrack, and read what I sent you before, Read each verse starting from the end and go all the way to the beginning. Brother, I'm sure that you are just as saved as I am; But read all of it again, as if your life depended on it. Without any distractions and read the first five chapters of Revelations all in one sitting and on a day you are feeling fresh in a place where there will be no distractions. The first five Chapters lead us to the knowledge of who we are and where we are going, even where are loved ones are, that have proceeded us to be with the Lord. What you will be understanding is what millions were murdered for knowing, even all the manuscripts showing these things destroyed. (May all of God's bless be with you!!)

Follow the SEVENS!!!​

 

[Combanitorics]

In all the debate over vaccination, a much more insidious disease has been creeping over the world. It's not new. It is increasing in virulence and becoming more widespread. Immunity is difficult but not impossible. However, immunity has the opposite risk factor to vaccinations aginst other diseases. The risk is isolation, deprivation, intimidation, and in some instances, death.

Some of you may recognise this disease. It is Political Correctness. Recently, a well known, even notorious Australian Christian approached a very large corporation, seeking a donation for the ministry of her church. The ministry is for help for the poor and needy. She was rejected, not because the corporation did not agree with the work, but because the woman was vocally opposed to same sex marriage.

The time may well come when in order to function in society, people will have to conform to the prevailing societal norms. At present, these include gender selection, addressing people by whatever pronoun they choose, agreeing that any sexual preference is acceptable, that whites are the cause of all black problems, that the present generation is responsible for all the evils of the past and so on.

If people refuse to sign up to these conditions, they will be unable to work, receive government assistance, health care, run a business or any of the activities that we consider normal. Such people will be treated like social lepers. At some stage, the world will agree that the not-PC people are a burden on society and should be killed.

This is already happening in North Korea. Any dissent from the ruling party's policies is punishable by exile or death. China is not as extreme but not that far behind. Authoritarianism is on the rise and there is little opposition. What there is gets suppressed very quickly.

The Beast may not be outwardly in control. We are seeing more and more that the spirit of the Beast is rising up, enabled by the complacency and lethargy of the church. I personally believe that the true church will be raptured before the great tribulation begins. Why? Because true Christians have authority and power over Satan here on this earth. Once they have been caught up, there will be no opposition to Satan.

For nominal Christians, the choice will be stark. Go God's way and be killed or submit to the Beast and join him in the lake of fire. My preference is not to have to face that choice. Every knee will bow to Lord Jesus, willingly and lovingly, or by terrified necessity. How much better to choose Christ now, and not face the wrath of God in the future.

Deep. I've heard people talking about the mark of the beast having something to do with money before. So do the four horsemen, actually, famine or the third horse rider has scales and a speaking line about the prices of wheat and barley, oil and wine. I wonder if the beast's mark and the four riders are epistemologically connected in Revelation?

 

[ZNP]

Deep. I've heard people talking about the mark of the beast having something to do with money before. So do the four horsemen, actually, famine or the third horse rider has scales and a speaking line about the prices of wheat and barley, oil and wine. I wonder if the beast's mark and the four riders are epistemologically connected in Revelation?

Take a look at history and you will see that the bankers have promoted war. For example, in WWII the bankers under the leadership of the Rothschild's financed Germany's miracle and then financed the allies. They got their money back from Germany with "the final solution" taking gold fillings, bank accounts and assets from those they gassed. So they made a tremendous amount on that war, playing both sides.

During WWI the Europeans gave all their gold to the US to help them defeat the Germans. This is how the US got all the gold for Fort Knox, made their currency on the gold standard and became the reserver currency.

They financed the Civil war in the US.

And when the US came off the gold standard and became the Petrol dollar the deal was that the US provides military defense to the middle East in return they only sell petroleum in US dollars. This is why we pay so much for the military defense in the Middle East, it isn't really us paying it, we print the money and everyone worldwide who has US bonds or US dollars pays for it.

This next war will be all about who controls the "reserve currency". Russia will attack and destroy the US because they want the Reserve currency (the ability to print money as they please while the rest of the world pays for it). They are working with Islamic nations in an alliance and seemed poised to attack at any moment.

However, they will fall short and ultimately the reserve currency will be controlled by Antichrist, European alliance, and the false prophet. You use their currency or you die. This is what the Antichrist wants, this is what the wars are all about, and the famine and plague are simply used to manipulate people into doing what they want.

 

[lawrence101]

The key is to follow the seven lamps where they go; After all Jesus confirms that they are the churches. One must consider that from the time of the VOICE LIKE THE SOUND OF A Trumpet saying, "COME UP HERE!", Jesus goes completely silent for EIGHTEEN CHAPTERS... Moreover, after seeing the CHURCH mentioned NINETEEN TIMES in the FIRST THREE CHAPTERS, it is only mentioned one more time, but not until NINETEEN CHAPTERS LATER!

After Chapter three we are only seeing SIGNS, AND SYMBOLS reminiscent of the Apostle, Israel, and the Prophets that were given promises regarding their own people; THAT IS, serving their Lord in a Kingdom of Perpetual Peace, but this peace being proceeded by the times of "JACOBS TROUBLE" = SEVEN YEARS. Including DIALOUGE indicative of 144,000 Jewish men willing to be martyred for the sake of the Gospel.

To understand who and where the Seven Churches are now and in the future, It is a matter of following them from where they are on earth. And if you remember, Jesus said the "SEVEN GOLDEN LAMPSSTANDS ARE THE SEVEN CHURCHES,

The voice like a sound of the trumpet. takes John into a simulation of what the future holds for us, and paying very close attention to what God sees will be the Key to understanding who we are in the future. Following the sevens from earth, and following them all the way to way to were they go is revealed in the following verse. But this is in the future when we are in our Spirit Body. But remember these are symbols of what we are in the future, that tell a very powerful story.

Rev 5:6 And I saw in the middle of the throne (with the four living creatures) and the elders a Lamb standing as if slain, having seven eyes seven horns, (((((((which are the seven Spirits of God, sent out into all the earth)))))))

You can backtrack, and read what I sent you before, Read each verse starting from the end and go all the way to the beginning. Brother, I'm sure that you are just as saved as I am; But read all of it again, as if your life depended on it. Without any distractions and read the first five chapters of Revelations all in one sitting and on a day you are feeling fresh in a place where there will be no distractions. The first five Chapters lead us to the knowledge of who we are and where we are going, even where are loved ones are, that have proceeded us to be with the Lord. What you will be understanding is what millions were murdered for knowing, even all the manuscripts showing these things destroyed. (May all of God's bless be with you!!)

Follow the SEVENS!!!​

Whoa! completely missed this thread. This still failed to answer my question , so here it is again: who exactly are the 7 present churches on Earth right now ? There are many christian denominations.
P.S. please drop the colors makes it very hard for some to read.

 

[ZNP]

Whoa! completely missed this thread. This still failed to answer my question , so here it is again: who exactly are the 7 present churches on Earth right now ? There are many christian denominations.
P.S. please drop the colors makes it very hard for some to read.

generally speaking many, myself included, consider the first 3 churches listed in Revelation 2 to be historical (apostolic church, persecuted church, church in the dark ages). Those 3 churches do not have a reference to the Lord returning while they are here. The last 4 churches: Catholic Church, Protestant church, Evangelical church, and Apostate church are the four that are here when the Lord returns.

 

[lawrence101]

generally speaking many, myself included, consider the first 3 churches listed in Revelation 2 to be historical (apostolic church, persecuted church, church in the dark ages). Those 3 churches do not have a reference to the Lord returning while they are here. The last 4 churches: Catholic Church, Protestant church, Evangelical church, and Apostate church are the four that are here when the Lord returns.

I understand what your saying but i was thinking more along the lines of a denominational umbrella rather than era or type.
Here's my take on who the 7 churches might be, and please don't consider this to be doctrine it's strictly just my opinion. ( numbers are from wikipedia )

1. Baptist approx. 100 million members
2. Lutherans 70-90 million
3. Methodist 60-80 million
4. Calvinist 60-80 million
5 Adventist 22 million
6. Pentecostalist 280 million
7 Nondenominationalist 80-100 million

These can of course be broken down into many smaller sub- denominations but these 7 represent in my opinion the majors.

 

[ZNP]

I understand what your saying but i was thinking more along the lines of a denominational umbrella rather than era or type.
Here's my take on who the 7 churches might be, and please don't consider this to be doctrine it's strictly just my opinion. ( numbers are from wikipedia )

1. Baptist approx. 100 million members
2. Lutherans 70-90 million
3. Methodist 60-80 million
4. Calvinist 60-80 million
5 Adventist 22 million
6. Pentecostalist 280 million
7 Nondenominationalist 80-100 million

These can of course be broken down into many smaller sub- denominations but these 7 represent in my opinion the majors.

Am I understanding this correct --> Baptist have left their first love, Lutherans are the suffering church, Methodists have Balaam, the false prophet, Calvinists have Jezebel, Adventists have a name that they are alive and yet are dead, the Pentecostalists are the church of brotherly love, and the non denominationalists think they are rich and yet are poor?

What about Catholics?

Also this kind of cuts out all Christian churches prior to the Protestant reformation so this word in Revelation didn't really apply for the first 1500 years of the church age.

 

[lawrence101]

Am I understanding this correct --> Baptist have left their first love, Lutherans are the suffering church, Methodists have Balaam, the false prophet, Calvinists have Jezebel, Adventists have a name that they are alive and yet are dead, the Pentecostalists are the church of brotherly love, and the non denominationalists think they are rich and yet are poor?

What about Catholics?

Also this kind of cuts out all Christian churches prior to the Protestant reformation so this word in Revelation didn't really apply for the first 1500 years of the church age.

The list was in no particular order , it was copied from wikipedia, so the judgements on each one wouldnt necessarily be a direct parallel with the 7 churches mentioned in revelation. Actually in a broader sense those judgments could apply to them all. But i guess it will eventually come down to the individual person, we all have to stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
A lot of the history of the early church has bin lost, not recorded or destroyed during times of persecution so would be very difficult to trace.
I excluded the Catholic institution, Eastern Greek orthodox,Masons, etc because i dont consider these to be christian churches. If anything they are the apostate church. They persecuted the early church followers by burning at the stake, beheadings, imprisonment, various means of torture, bibles and manuscripts were burned , the list goes on.
But i'll stop there, this is getting away from the toppic of the thread, should be posted under its own thread.

 

[ZNP]

The list was in no particular order , it was copied from wikipedia, so the judgements on each one wouldnt necessarily be a direct parallel with the 7 churches mentioned in revelation. Actually in a broader sense those judgments could apply to them all. But i guess it will eventually come down to the individual person, we all have to stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
A lot of the history of the early church has bin lost, not recorded or destroyed during times of persecution so would be very difficult to trace.
I excluded the Catholic institution, Eastern Greek orthodox,Masons, etc because i dont consider these to be christian churches. If anything they are the apostate church. They persecuted the early church followers by burning at the stake, beheadings, imprisonment, various means of torture, bibles and manuscripts were burned , the list goes on.
But i'll stop there, this is getting away from the toppic of the thread, should be posted under its own thread.

I have heard several wonderful exegesis studies on this, Chuck Missler did one, the Brethren did one, and I have also done my own study. I think there is substantial evidence to say that Ephesus was the apostolic church, Smyrna was the persecuted church with saints being fed to the lions, Pergamum was the church in the dark ages, they are historical and no longer exist. Then the Catholic church -- Thyatira, Protestant churches Sardis, Evagelical Christian -- Philadelphia, and Apostate church -- Laodicea

 

[lawrence101]

I have heard several wonderful exegesis studies on this, Chuck Missler did one, the Brethren did one, and I have also done my own study. I think there is substantial evidence to say that Ephesus was the apostolic church, Smyrna was the persecuted church with saints being fed to the lions, Pergamum was the church in the dark ages, they are historical and no longer exist. Then the Catholic church -- Thyatira, Protestant churches Sardis, Evagelical Christian -- Philadelphia, and Apostate church -- Laodicea

I havent done a thorough study into the early church, its just from my casual reading over the years and from online sources. Didnt know Chuck Missler did a study ive watched many of his videos , i,m assuming there's a video of this somewhere ?

 

[ZNP]

I havent done a thorough study into the early church, its just from my casual reading over the years and from online sources. Didnt know Chuck Missler did a study ive watched many of his videos , i,m assuming there's a video of this somewhere ?

 

[lawrence101]

Thank you for posting the video, just finished watching it, although Chuck spends the majority of his talk on the church at Ephesus its very informative. Wish he had went more in-depth into the other 6 churches as well.

 

[ZNP]

Thank you for posting the video, just finished watching it, although Chuck spends the majority of his talk on the church at Ephesus its very informative. Wish he had went more in-depth into the other 6 churches as well.

I think this is just the first in a series of videos

 

[lawrence101]

I think this is just the first in a series of videos

Yes, looking into that now.

 

[lawrence101]

Yes, looking into that now.

Ok yes, i think i see where you got your stance with regards to the 7 churches, Chuck catagorizes them into two groups or eras : Group A with 3 churches and Group B with 4. Its at 15:09 in this video: ( For ZNP )

 

[Combanitorics]

In all the debate over vaccination, a much more insidious disease has been creeping over the world. It's not new. It is increasing in virulence and becoming more widespread. Immunity is difficult but not impossible. However, immunity has the opposite risk factor to vaccinations aginst other diseases. The risk is isolation, deprivation, intimidation, and in some instances, death.

Some of you may recognise this disease. It is Political Correctness. Recently, a well known, even notorious Australian Christian approached a very large corporation, seeking a donation for the ministry of her church. The ministry is for help for the poor and needy. She was rejected, not because the corporation did not agree with the work, but because the woman was vocally opposed to same sex marriage.

The time may well come when in order to function in society, people will have to conform to the prevailing societal norms. At present, these include gender selection, addressing people by whatever pronoun they choose, agreeing that any sexual preference is acceptable, that whites are the cause of all black problems, that the present generation is responsible for all the evils of the past and so on.

If people refuse to sign up to these conditions, they will be unable to work, receive government assistance, health care, run a business or any of the activities that we consider normal. Such people will be treated like social lepers. At some stage, the world will agree that the not-PC people are a burden on society and should be killed.

This is already happening in North Korea. Any dissent from the ruling party's policies is punishable by exile or death. China is not as extreme but not that far behind. Authoritarianism is on the rise and there is little opposition. What there is gets suppressed very quickly.

The Beast may not be outwardly in control. We are seeing more and more that the spirit of the Beast is rising up, enabled by the complacency and lethargy of the church. I personally believe that the true church will be raptured before the great tribulation begins. Why? Because true Christians have authority and power over Satan here on this earth. Once they have been caught up, there will be no opposition to Satan.

For nominal Christians, the choice will be stark. Go God's way and be killed or submit to the Beast and join him in the lake of fire. My preference is not to have to face that choice. Every knee will bow to Lord Jesus, willingly and lovingly, or by terrified necessity. How much better to choose Christ now, and not face the wrath of God in the future.

Yeah, I bet that really confuses a lot of people. I know how flippant it sounds, but you actually have to understand that Politics is just a book by Aristotle. Funnily enough, the people who came up with "political correctness" had absolutely nothing to do with that form of government. They weren't even republicans, and I don't know how much Greek you've read, but if you ever get deep, you'll find out that republicanism itself is very non-Aristotelian and (OMG! I'm a genius I figured this out) not politically correct.