God withdrawing himself part, made me sad. And can you explain this part again please .....
is everyone was cast out because we were all on the body of Adam when he was and Eve when she was we’re descendants of sinners who are under the sentance of death and .that’s why we need to be saved.
“is everyone was cast out because we were all on the body of Adam when he was and Eve when she was we’re descendants of sinners who are under the sentance of death and .that’s why we need to be saved”
When God created adam And Eve he chose to put them in Eden with him and he fellowshipped with them d in his presence they had no shame because they had no sin, no knowledge of evil in thier mind and heart they were pure
“So
God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. …
And
God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good…..
Genesis 1:27, 31 KJV
and God places them in his presence and they had no reason to be ashamed because they knew not evil it was external not part of mans nature. Watch where God designed “very good “mankind to be
“And the Lord
God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food;
the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
….And
they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.”
Genesis 2:8-9, 25 KJV
What I’m saying is the first two people at this point
all of us were in thier bodies in the body of adam
And Eve our natural parents thier blood is flowing in our veins mankind as a whole is found in adam And Eve they were ll mankind at that point. And thier place wasn’t to die but to live in Gods presence and be blessed and rule the earth in peace and Gods Will
Do you see what I mean Adam and Eve didn’t need to be saved they already were where we hope to be one day. Tha yes what God created us for to live with him as his eternal children.
What happened was this after man was placed in Eden where God places them by his Will
“And the Lord God commanded the man, saying,
Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But
of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Genesis 2:16-17 KJV
Watch what happens now and how mans relationship with God changes
“And
the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
And when
the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and
did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
And the eyes of them both were opened, and
they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
And they heard the voice of
the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and
Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.
And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? And he said,
I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
Genesis 3:4-10
Do you see how mankind is now corrupted from what God had made ? And now this is true because they have transgressed it
“But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for
in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Genesis 2:17 KJV
And look what happened that day
“
Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
Genesis 3:23-24 KJV
See how mans true design and estate isn’t to know good and evil ? Because they did that we are all on this boat
“I find then a law, that,
when I would do good, evil is present with me.
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see
another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
Romans 7:21-23 KJV
man wasn’t created sinners we were led astray and corrupted by Satan and condemned knowledge that was not for us we already were made in Gods image deemed by him “very good “
humans now we live 100 years if fortunate and blessed and then die but that was never Gods design for us we were always meant to live in a world like this
“And I saw a
new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying,
Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
And
God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.”
Revelation 21:1, 3-4 KJV
a world that wasn’t good and evil but was very good and ruled in Gods Will.
Man literally is not who we were made to be we weren’t created to die we die because man chose death because they were beguiled and led astray by Satans word and became sinners knowing both good and evil and having that conflict in our nature.
it was only after man transgressed and condemned the corrupted knowledge that Hod placed death on mankind by that first commandment if they are the fruit they would surely die
remember a day is like a thousand years to God and Adam died at close to a thousand years old
“And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.”
Genesis 5:5 KJV
remember Gods Will was that they remain in Eden with him and not eat the fruit and die but satans Will was to kill them with Gods commandment. They listened to satan and soon after mankind was now like this and you can see it wasn’t Gods design or Will
“And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.”
Genesis 6:5-7 KJV
we mankind as a whole needs to be redeemed to life as was Gods design but forst we’re apppinted to die because of the original sin every human was inside of adam And Eve and was cursed with them.
they didn’t need saving until they followed the lord of the devil and now we all are in this boat with them
“Wherefore, as
by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
Romans 5:12 KJV
we need to be saved from death because of sin was my point that was never Gods plan for us to sin and die that was satans idea and we followed it
we’re saved when we follow christs plan and ideas for us his words undo what Satan did to us making us sinners Christ redeems us from the knowledge of good and evil filling us with the knowledge of the gospel
“And we know that
the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
1 John 5:20 KJV
the Bible is one solid story tells us of mankind’s fall from grace and our original state worth God and shows a slow decline through the Old Testament until we reached the point when all Hope was lost and so he himself became our Hope of redemption coming as a new man to redeem us through the same process by which we fell into sin and death
“Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as
by one man's ( adam) disobedience many were made sinners,
so
by the obedience of one ( Christ Jesus ) shall
many be made righteous.”
Romans 5:18-19 KJV
they took on the corrupt knowledge and believing the gospel is taking in the correct and life giving knowledge that cleanses our hearts from evil
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