The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.
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"""....and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.""""
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16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.""""
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The judeans hid from the Romans during the 70 A.D. Siege and Destruction of Jerusalem. Oddly enough, Christ told this before He began speaking about the Tribulation. Rome was so concentrated on the things it could control, it had no answer for those hiding. You act like the AC is All Knowing 
How dare you equal him to God!
How dare you equal him to God!
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Absolutely! We agree on many things, and we should support each other when we resonate and challenge each other when we differ
As a reminder, I assume that you and others are reading the references I give. I wouldn't want you to think I'm inventing anything new.
I would like to know...Are you a KJV onlist?
His disciples? Are you implying that only the Corinthian church is betrothed to Christ?
I've already addressed this in post# 161 (quoted below)
FWI, since you like to appeal to context, here is the outline of Eph:
It is the epistle that glorifies Christ by highlighting the identity of His church.
Ch 1- the church is a body
Ch 2- the church is a temple
Ch 3-the church is a mystery
Ch 4-the church is one
Ch 5-the church is a bride
Ch 6-the church is a soldier
It is sin for a priest (including Jesus-Heb 4:14) to marry anyone who is not a virgin (harlot) or is divorced (Lev 21:7). Israel is called both (Judg 2:17, Ps 106:39, Jer 3:8).
Read the reference I gave (2 Thes 2:1-12...particularly vs 7). The Holy Spirit is "keeping the lid on", so to speak, so that the Antichrist and his government will not come to fruition until the appointed time (The day of the Lord), when He is removed.
Concerning omnipresence, the "eyes of the Lord" are described as His mode of seeing all things (2 Chron 16:19). God's glory shines far from Him, just as light travels far from the Sun, illuminating many planets. His glory fills the whole earth (Isa 6:3). So He is everywhere in that sense. But God’s actual presence is described as having locality (Ex 19:3, 25:22, 34:5, Num 11:25, Lev 1:1), rather than an all-encompassing, esoteric filling of the universe.
As a reminder, I assume that you and others are reading the references I give. I wouldn't want you to think I'm inventing anything new.
I would like to know...Are you a KJV onlist?
His disciples? Are you implying that only the Corinthian church is betrothed to Christ?
I've already addressed this in post# 161 (quoted below)
FWI, since you like to appeal to context, here is the outline of Eph:
It is the epistle that glorifies Christ by highlighting the identity of His church.
Ch 1- the church is a body
Ch 2- the church is a temple
Ch 3-the church is a mystery
Ch 4-the church is one
Ch 5-the church is a bride
Ch 6-the church is a soldier
It is sin for a priest (including Jesus-Heb 4:14) to marry anyone who is not a virgin (harlot) or is divorced (Lev 21:7). Israel is called both (Judg 2:17, Ps 106:39, Jer 3:8).
Read the reference I gave (2 Thes 2:1-12...particularly vs 7). The Holy Spirit is "keeping the lid on", so to speak, so that the Antichrist and his government will not come to fruition until the appointed time (The day of the Lord), when He is removed.
Concerning omnipresence, the "eyes of the Lord" are described as His mode of seeing all things (2 Chron 16:19). God's glory shines far from Him, just as light travels far from the Sun, illuminating many planets. His glory fills the whole earth (Isa 6:3). So He is everywhere in that sense. But God’s actual presence is described as having locality (Ex 19:3, 25:22, 34:5, Num 11:25, Lev 1:1), rather than an all-encompassing, esoteric filling of the universe.
Not sure what you mean by `KJV on list.` However I do read and value other translations.
As to the New Man, I see it that we will have both a male and female nature, a complete `man.` Thus just NOT feminine.
So to Ephesians Ch.
1. Christ the Head of the Body.
2. Christ`s Body is the New Man, a holy `temple` for the Holy Spirit. (Your body is the `temple` of the Holy Spirit.)
3. Christ`s Body was a mystery not known previously but is now revealed according to God`s eternal purpose in Christ Jesus.
4. Christ`s Body is equipped and built up by the ministries of Christ.
5. Exhortations of living in the light, - truth of Christ - behaviour and relationships as Christ loves His Body - wives and husbands,
6. (cont) children, servants, masters.
Finally an exhortation to stand firm in the Truth, against the powers of darkness, and be praying for all saints.
The book of Hosea is the picture of the Lord marrying again his unfaithful wife. The Lord will cleanse His `wife` (divorced) from her uncleaness.
The Lord`s Holy Spirit speaks to all of God`s children and draws those who would seek Him. Thus He is well able to be everywhere with full consciousness.
Tribulation is not the wrath. That clears it up.
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Christians who are in the great tribulation are not appointed to God’s wrath. That means the great tribulation is not God’s wrath.
However, just prior to the beginning of the GT, the devil comes to earth with great wrath per Revelation 12:12. Going forward from Revelation 12:12, on to the following chapters, it’s clear the devil and his followers are the main protagonists and instigators of the GT, not God.
The day of the Lord is God’s wrath on a Christ-rejecting world. People often conflate Gods wrath with the GT. As I just demonstrated above, it’s not sound doctrine to conclude the GT is the wrath of God.
However, just prior to the beginning of the GT, the devil comes to earth with great wrath per Revelation 12:12. Going forward from Revelation 12:12, on to the following chapters, it’s clear the devil and his followers are the main protagonists and instigators of the GT, not God.
The day of the Lord is God’s wrath on a Christ-rejecting world. People often conflate Gods wrath with the GT. As I just demonstrated above, it’s not sound doctrine to conclude the GT is the wrath of God.
No, what that means is that Christians will not go through the GT.
I have given scripture (Zephaniah 1:14-15, Luke 21:23) that, if taken in context, will show you that the GT is the wrath of the Lord on a Christ-rejecting world. So, the GT is God's wrath no matter how you slice it.
You can neglect to pray to be caught up pre-trib if you so desire; however, I choose to pray the prayer of faith that I, those I know and love and care about, my family and extended family, my friends and acquaintances, and all those who are truly born again of the Holy Spirit, will none of them be left behind, but that all of us will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air in a pre-tribulation rapture; that we will be counted worthy to escape (according to 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) those things that are going to come upon the earth and to stand before Jesus who is the Son of man.
If you don't pray accordingly, then perhaps you will get your wish and will be left behind to face the GT. But I don't wish that on you.
Do you wish it on anyone? What possible motive could you have for wanting this doctrine to be true?
I have given scripture (Zephaniah 1:14-15, Luke 21:23) that, if taken in context, will show you that the GT is the wrath of the Lord on a Christ-rejecting world. So, the GT is God's wrath no matter how you slice it.
You can neglect to pray to be caught up pre-trib if you so desire; however, I choose to pray the prayer of faith that I, those I know and love and care about, my family and extended family, my friends and acquaintances, and all those who are truly born again of the Holy Spirit, will none of them be left behind, but that all of us will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air in a pre-tribulation rapture; that we will be counted worthy to escape (according to 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) those things that are going to come upon the earth and to stand before Jesus who is the Son of man.
If you don't pray accordingly, then perhaps you will get your wish and will be left behind to face the GT. But I don't wish that on you.
Do you wish it on anyone? What possible motive could you have for wanting this doctrine to be true?
Nope.
My only advice is to carefully and prayerfully revisit your theology. Your representation of the scriptures creates contradictions and numerous theological problems.
Here's the truth:
Christians will go through the GT. That's evident from just reading Revelation. Did you read Revelation 12 or 13? I asked you to read that, but you seem to be ignoring the proof texts so here they are.
Revelation 12:11 KJV
11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Revelation 13:7 KJV
7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Revelation 20:4 KJV
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
My only advice is to carefully and prayerfully revisit your theology. Your representation of the scriptures creates contradictions and numerous theological problems.
Here's the truth:
Christians will go through the GT. That's evident from just reading Revelation. Did you read Revelation 12 or 13? I asked you to read that, but you seem to be ignoring the proof texts so here they are.
Revelation 12:11 KJV
11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Revelation 13:7 KJV
7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Revelation 20:4 KJV
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
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That should be a red flag to you that you have gotten something wrong somewhere along the line.
Just from what I see, I believe your error is that you think the seal judgements occur during the great tribulation. The seal judgements don't occur before the great tribulation.
As I pointed out, the actual wrath doesn't begin until the 6th seal, meaning that what occurs before the sixth seal is not wrath.
Given that the signs in Isaiah 13:9-13 Matthew 24:29-31 are a match for the 6th seal signs, the day of the Lord does not begin until after the church has been removed from the earth post-tribulation.
Just from what I see, I believe your error is that you think the seal judgements occur during the great tribulation. The seal judgements don't occur before the great tribulation.
As I pointed out, the actual wrath doesn't begin until the 6th seal, meaning that what occurs before the sixth seal is not wrath.
Given that the signs in Isaiah 13:9-13 Matthew 24:29-31 are a match for the 6th seal signs, the day of the Lord does not begin until after the church has been removed from the earth post-tribulation.
Absolutely not Christians will NEVER see the tribulation or the great tribulation. The Church is not seen in Revelation from chapters 6 through 18.
It is perfectly clear that the Church has ALREADY been raptured in chapters 4 and 5, typified as the 24 elders. Uniquely it is only these 24 elders who are kings and priests with crowns and thrones who wear white garments. Only the Church has all of these combined attributes!
Furthermore these very crowns of thrones and white garments.....are promised only to the Church in Revelation chapters 2 and 3.
Revelation 4:1 ties it all together. The end of the Church age as has happened. The Church is in Heaven with Jesus, worshipping and singing His praises. The Church is no longer present on the earth. Only the "earth dwellers" remain who are Israel and the Gentiles.
It is perfectly clear that the Church has ALREADY been raptured in chapters 4 and 5, typified as the 24 elders. Uniquely it is only these 24 elders who are kings and priests with crowns and thrones who wear white garments. Only the Church has all of these combined attributes!
Furthermore these very crowns of thrones and white garments.....are promised only to the Church in Revelation chapters 2 and 3.
Revelation 4:1 ties it all together. The end of the Church age as has happened. The Church is in Heaven with Jesus, worshipping and singing His praises. The Church is no longer present on the earth. Only the "earth dwellers" remain who are Israel and the Gentiles.
You just don't get it buddy. You really don't. By Revelation 4.......the Church is out of there. Precisely as Jesus has promised the elect Church in Revelation 3:10.
The Church age is over........and now begins Daniels 70th week. The entire week consists of judgments upon the earth dwellers. From beginning to end....the end of being the Second Coming.
The Church age is over........and now begins Daniels 70th week. The entire week consists of judgments upon the earth dwellers. From beginning to end....the end of being the Second Coming.
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