TONGUES is a precious gift from God

[Kavik]

Perhaps a better approach would be for me to post a few videos and ask whether people would call these 'legitimate' tongues or not - if so, why, if not, why not?

 

[Absolutely]

As usual pride has raised it's nasty head among those who have been deceived by this speaking in tongues belief.

You just made the suggestion of getting with on fire people of God, the remnant sold out to Jesus , a nasty thing.

Yes a nasty head has risen.

 

[Oblio]

 

[ResidentAlien]

Speaking in tongues is almost always part of a bigger mystical package. Where you see speaking in tongues you see all kinds of other "signs and wonders" that confirm to people that the Holy Spirit is active and alive.

Why do you continue to interject something you are completely unaware about?

A fire raced towards my House [you seen pictures], you think I had to go into a trance within seconds of the fire burning my home down in order to Speak in Tongues and Command the Fire to move?

How long does it take to be in a complete trance?

The Fire burned up my lower, side, top fields + windbreak within 10 minutes.
Is that time to get into a pose and become trance like in order to Speak in Tongues?

You gotta start using Common Sense here, I would hope eventually!

I'm not talking about that particular situation at all. I'm talking about in the worship environment or in personal prayer and meditation.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Interesting observation - but it begs the question of what then is the point of the sounds in the first place? A vehicle by which to channel the Holy Spirit; thus what's being uttered is, in a sense, irrelevant?

I know what a lot of tongue-speakers will say in answer to this; it's already been mentioned in this thread. Speaking in a "tongue" is a language known only to God and the Spirit; therefore, Satan can't understand it and can't interfere.

But I have some issues with this. Tongues has been called and angelic language by many; and supposedly Satan can't understand "angelic." But he's an angel! Granted, a fallen one but still an angel. Lately I've noticed more people calling it a "heavenly" language to bypass this conundrum.

Many forms of meditation use vocalizations to acquire an Alpha state. Sometimes verbally; other times silently in the mind, as with mantras and such. It creates a hightened sense of awareness and perception not normally available in the ordinary awakened state.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

You cannot excuse either your own flesh nor the flesh of others - and neither can you mitigate your accusatory spirit, or theirs when you justify wilful boastings by saying that another brother speaks in riddles.

You have not understood what I have said even in the simple meaning you say I have now given. May the Lord have mercy.

Oddly enough, You understand what I am saying. So, there is nothing wrong with my communication skills because You get it immediately. But trying to understand your posts by the way you present them seems like your words are not conveying your message. So, you can understand me, but others cannot understand you, seems this falls onto your communicating skills. Either You post the way you do intentionally, or you post it in a way readers are confused and not clear to what you say. But the bottom line is crystal clear, the English Language is simple and can be understood in short precise sentences. And the English Language can be difficult if you write in riddles. If people cannot understand You, but YOU desire to keep communicating, then write your message in a format that is crystal clear so no one is confused by it.

 

[kaylagrl]

People that want to argue should go start an arguing thread and leave the rest of us in peace!

This subject is one that will always be argued about. I stay out of most of them because it always ends this way. It's a pity but I don't see it ever changing.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Speaking in tongues is almost always part of a bigger mystical package. Where you see speaking in tongues you see all kinds of other "signs and wonders" that confirm to people that the Holy Spirit is active and alive.


I'm not talking about that particular situation at all. I'm talking about in the worship environment or in personal prayer and meditation.

You mean the West Coast Canada/Seattle/Redwood, California Church videos where they look mesmerized and like puppets waiting to be commanded?

You do realize that in the small Church Setting this is not an issue at all? You do understand most small Congregational Preachers would put a stop to that type of thing if someone tried to do it? Bottom line, we only see this with those connected Churches I have mentioned.

 

[Rhomphaeam]

Oddly enough, You understand what I am saying. So, there is nothing wrong with my communication skills because You get it immediately. But trying to understand your posts by the way you present them seems like your words are not conveying your message. So, you can understand me, but others cannot understand you,seems this falls onto your communicating skills. Either You post the way you do intentionally, or you post it in a way readers are confused and not clear to what you say. But the bottom line is crystal clear, the English Language is simple and can be understood in short precise sentences. And the English Language can be difficult if you write in riddles. If people cannot understand You, but YOU desire to keep communicating, then write your message in a format that is crystal clear so no one is confused by it.

No one is obligated to respond to anything written on a forum. Yet some have and always seem to be able to believe that what I have written does somehow speak against something in their own words that speaks of them. No - I think that what I write is well understood - just not the intention in it or the prophetic direction of it. Have a great day.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

No one is obligated to respond to anything written of a forum. Yet many have and always seem to be able to believe that what I have written does somehow speak against something in their own words that speaks of them. No - I think that what I write is well understood - just not the intention in it or the prophetic direction of it. Have a great day.

And look, I understood this post immediately.

Now, for a Sermon, for a Speech, I do find how you write to be acceptable. But on a discussion board, the simpler the better means less confusion and error for misunderstanding. That is all i am trying to convey.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Rhomphaeam,

If you were to audibly read your post, I bet most would hear and understand rather quickly. But on a message board, it will not be received in similar manner. That is all that I am attempting to say to You.


In a Church Setting, you reading your philosophical writing style would be perceived as intelligence.

But on a message board, you will be perceived as a pompous buffoon trying to belittle others.

 

[kaylagrl]

It's hard not to conclude that tongue-speakers are looking for a mystical experience; whether you call it a trance or whatever. I know you'll object to this vociferously but to me it seems obvious. It's a seducing spirit that says the mundane isn't enough, we must have something more than simple faith.

“I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.’” Matthew 3:11.

“‘But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.’” Acts 1:8.

“And when they had prayed, the place where they were assembled together was shaken; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness.” Acts 4:31.

No, tongues speakers are not looking for anything mystical. The Bible says what happened/s when one is baptized in the Holy Spirit. You will receive a boldness/ power not for yourself, but to be a witness. As we said before, tongues is also to edify the church, which is why Paul said not to forbid it.

 

[ResidentAlien]

You mean the West Coast Canada/Seattle/Redwood, California Church videos where they look mesmerized and like puppets waiting to be commanded?

You do realize that in the small Church Setting this is not an issue at all? You do understand most small Congregational Preachers would put a stop to that type of thing if someone tried to do it? Bottom line, we only see this with those connected Churches I have mentioned.

This just proves you don't understand the Alpha state. You don't become a zombie-eyed puppet, but you do enter an altered state of consciousness. I would suggest doing more research on this. It may not be an issue for you (at least not one you'll admit) but I guarantee it's a major issue for millions of Charismatics.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

This just proves you don't understand the Alpha state. You don't become a zombie-eyed puppet, but you do enter an altered state of consciousness. I would suggest doing more research on this. It may not be an issue for you (at least not one you'll admit) but I guarantee it's a major issue for millions of Charismatics.

I see two issues here.

1. I do meditate on God many times. But it is very unusual for that to become to a place where I am Speaking in Tongues.

2. When i do Speak in Tongues, it's typically connected to Worship, or, when you are in a bang bang situation and You are seeking God's Immediate help to intervene. Spiritual Warfare is a good scenario.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

***The majority of my Prayer Life at home is Worship. The majority of my Prayer Life in a Church Setting is Worship. But like I am typing to you now, I am also meditating on God and His Goodness. That will never come to a place of Speaking in Tongues unless the Holy Spirit does it for me***

 

[Heaven_Bound]

This just proves you don't understand the Alpha state. You don't become a zombie-eyed puppet, but you do enter an altered state of consciousness. I would suggest doing more research on this. It may not be an issue for you (at least not one you'll admit) but I guarantee it's a major issue for millions of Charismatics.

You can research Thompson Tae Kwon Do [Arizona] and Duke Kenpo [Arizona] where I was a Student for years.

I've never witnessed Believers be able to get to a State of Meditation /Alpha State/Altered State like you claim. I think you see only what you want to see!

 

[Rhomphaeam]

And look, I understood this post immediately.

Now, for a Sermon, for a Speech, I do find how you write to be acceptable. But on a discussion board, the simpler the better means less confusion and error for misunderstanding. That is all i am trying to convey.

Rhomphaeam,

If you were to audibly read your post, I bet most would hear and understand rather quickly. But on a message board, it will not be received in similar manner. That is all that I am attempting to say to You.

In a Church Setting, you reading your philosophical writing style would be perceived as intelligence.

But on a message board, you will be perceived as a pompous buffoon trying to belittle others.

I do understand what you have said - yet it is also true that how anyone is perceived is likely to come down to many things in truth - and on a forum that may seem limited to written words that must somehow be to the point. That is your own position. You said so. I understood what you said. It isn't difficult to write short points. It isn't difficult to step ideas in a row and make them easy to understand. Neither is it easy to refuse that complex ideas can be easily missed or else create a breach in understanding that causes the reader to schism off into an effect that is self defeating to the one who is writing - yet be unavoidable because difficult realities cannot be expressed in simple sentences.

Nothing is difficult to read that is appropriately given - to the right audience - in the right way - in the language and manner of those who are reading. Yet for all that - difficult things to understand are best left partially hidden in the words being written or spoken so that the Lord can sift His children according to their hearts. Otherwise people are simply led by a man. I have no wish to lead anyone and neither am I anyones teacher.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

I do understand what you have said - yet it is also true that how anyone is perceived is likely to come down to many things in truth - and on a forum that may seem limited to written words that must somehow be to the point. That is your own position. You said so. I understood what you said. It isn't difficult to write short points. It isn't difficult to step ideas in a row and make them easy to understand. Neither is it easy to refuse that complex ideas can be easily missed or else create a breach in understanding that causes the reader to schism off into an effect that is self defeating to the one who is writing - yet be unavoidable because difficult realities cannot be expressed in simple sentences.

Nothing is difficult to read that is appropriately given - to the right audience - in the right way - in the language and manner of those who are reading. Yet for all that - difficult things to understand are best left partially hidden in the words being written or spoken so that the Lord can sift His children according to their hearts. Otherwise people are simply led by a man. I have no wish to lead anyone and neither am I anyones teacher.

I agree!

But, Who are You, to think Your writing is so Inspired and complete Truth, if they do not understand, it is their fault?

that seems rather selfish to think if someone doesn't understand You, they are not understanding God through You!

I've never read a single Verse where I scratched my head and thought, this is confusing.

 

[Rhomphaeam]

I agree!

But, Who are You, to think Your writing is so Inspired and complete Truth, if they do not understand, it is their fault?

that seems rather selfish to think if someone doesn't understand You, they are not understanding God through You!

I've never read a single Verse where I scratched my head and thought, this is confusing.

May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar, as it is written, “THAT YOU MAY BE JUSTIFIED IN YOUR WORDS, AND PREVAIL WHEN YOU ARE JUDGED.”

 

[Heaven_Bound]

May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar, as it is written, “THAT YOU MAY BE JUSTIFIED IN YOUR WORDS, AND PREVAIL WHEN YOU ARE JUDGED.”

But, You are well aware that those debating with You have been confused and You never once tried to change in order so they could understand. What is that Message?