Trinitarian analogy

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Believe what you want, but the FATHER does not come and kill the Beast.
The Ancient of Days does come and kills the Beast.
the Second Coming of Christ does come and kills the Beast!

The Tanakh is correct, Gill is WRONG!!
 
Heaven_Bound said:
Believe what you want, but the FATHER does not come and kill the Beast.
The Ancient of Days does come and kills the Beast.
the Second Coming of Christ does come and kills the Beast!
Click to expand...

But Daniel has the Son of man coming to the ancient of days. Obviously one is Christ and other is his Father.

Daniel does not say who killed the beast, only that the beast was killed.



Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.


Another issue here is this beast is killed before he is given to flame while the two beasts in Revelation 19 go into the fire alive.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Daniel and Revelation are not the same books and same events. Similar imagery is used but the details are often opposite.
 
Heaven_Bound said:
Daniel 7:13 matches Revelation 5:6 [anthropomorphism] Lamb with 7 horns/eyes = 7 Spirits
Click to expand...

And even there we see Christ coming to his Father just as He as the Son of man came to his father, the ancient of days in Daniel. You have misidentified who the ancient of days is.
 
It seems to me that God the Father is eternal (timeless), uncaused, and exists necessarily.

I don't think any of these things can be said of a material body, which are composite things made of matter. Especially if we believe that all matter was created by God from nothing.
 
ewq1938 said:
But Daniel has the Son of man coming to the ancient of days. Obviously one is Christ and other is his Father.

Daniel does not say who killed the beast, only that the beast was killed.



Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.


Another issue here is this beast is killed before he is given to flame while the two beasts in Revelation 19 go into the fire alive.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Daniel and Revelation are not the same books and same events. Similar imagery is used but the details are often opposite.
Click to expand...
It is Symbolism concerning Son of Man.

Daniel is not Wrong when he writes 21 I looked and the horn that was like this waged war with the holy ones and overwhelmed them.
22 Until the Ancient of Days came and gave revenge to the high holy ones, and the time arrived that the holy ones inherited the kingdom.
 
The Father NEVER comes and wages War, never never never never never

The WORD made flesh, Who is the Ancient of Days, does come and kills the Beast at Armageddon.

The the WORD made Flesh is Judge who cast the Horn/Beast into the Lake of Fire.

How do we know the Ancient of Days, I AM, is Judge [Christ]?
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
Heaven_Bound said:
It is Symbolism concerning Son of Man.

Daniel is not Wrong when he writes 21 I looked and the horn that was like this waged war with the holy ones and overwhelmed them.
22 Until the Ancient of Days came and gave revenge to the high holy ones, and the time arrived that the holy ones inherited the kingdom.
Click to expand...


This still doesn't identify who killed the beast.
 
Heaven_Bound said:
The Father NEVER comes and wages War, never never never never never
Click to expand...

Of course he does. He uses fire to kill an entire army.

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 
ewq1938 said:
Of course he does. He uses fire to kill an entire army.

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Click to expand...
God did not leave Heaven, just sent Fire from Heaven.
 
Heaven_Bound said:
It DOES IDENTIFY who Comes and Revenges the Saints!
Click to expand...


It doesn't say that. Your verse says he gave revenge to others, so not doing the revenge himself.

You are wrong that Jesus is the ancient of days. He is clearly someone else in Daniel 7.
 
22 Until the Ancient of Days came and gave revenge to the high holy ones, and the time arrived that the holy ones inherited the kingdom.

What does Daniel write in the first 6 words in Verse 22?

Until the Ancient of Days [[[came]]]
 
Heaven_Bound said:
God did not leave Heaven, just sent Fire from Heaven.
Click to expand...

Doesn't change that he waged an act of war. The same concept can be applied that a person can push a button and send a missile to attack an army. You don't have to be physically present to wage war.
 
ewq1938 said:
It doesn't say that. Your verse says he gave revenge to others, so not doing the revenge himself.

You are wrong that Jesus is the ancient of days. He is clearly someone else in Daniel 7.
Click to expand...
You are wrong that the Ancient of Days is the Father!
 
Heaven_Bound said:
22 Until the Ancient of Days came and gave revenge to the high holy ones, and the time arrived that the holy ones inherited the kingdom.

What does Daniel write in the first 6 words in Verse 22?

Until the Ancient of Days [[[came]]]
Click to expand...


And gave revenge to others. Read the whole verse next time.
 
The KJV is far more accurate:

Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom
Back