Trinitarian analogy

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John states the Father Judges No One and the Son fills that Role.

In Daniel, we see the Ancient of Days as Judge and the One who Comes to revenge the Saints against the Beast!
 
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The KJV is far more accurate:

Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
You think the king James is more accurate than the Hebrew Scrolls that the kjv translates from?


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John states the Father Judges No One
The bible disagrees:


1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:


Here Peter also addresses that time when the Father judges "according to every man's work"...that's the great white throne judgement day, the last day. See how it is exactly what we find on judgment day:

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.



Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Here Jesus is distinct from the other one called "God the Judge of all". Often writers will refer to God meaning the Father and mention Jesus separately to make clear the use of "God" meant "God the Father" not "God the son".

We see that here as well:


This is God the Father because verse 22 will distinguish Jesus separately:


Rom 3:6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
Rom 3:7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
Rom 3:8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Rom 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Rom 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Rom 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Rom 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Rom 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:


1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

compare to this:

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

"the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work"
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God" and "they were judged every man according to their works"

Clearly it is the Father judging in Rev 20.



Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Here John refers to the Father as "God" and Jesus as "Christ". Though Christ is God, in the book of Revelation John will refer to the Father as God, and the Son by other titles. This is how we know who is who.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

God the Father does the judging here.
 

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You are wrong that the Ancient of Days is the Father!
How can he be wrong when the Bible brings "one like unto the Son of Man" to "the Ancient of Days"? The Ancient of Days is indeed the Father (who is the Head of Christ) who hands the Son of Man (Christ) total dominion over all the world and its inhabitants. Eventually, Christ will hand back to the Father all that has been placed in Christ's hands.
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of Man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
(Dan 7:13,14)
 
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The bible disagrees:


1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:


Here Peter also addresses that time when the Father judges "according to every man's work"...that's the great white throne judgement day, the last day. See how it is exactly what we find on judgment day:

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.



Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Here Jesus is distinct from the other one called "God the Judge of all". Often writers will refer to God meaning the Father and mention Jesus separately to make clear the use of "God" meant "God the Father" not "God the son".

We see that here as well:


This is God the Father because verse 22 will distinguish Jesus separately:


Rom 3:6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
Rom 3:7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
Rom 3:8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Rom 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Rom 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Rom 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Rom 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Rom 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:


1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

compare to this:

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

"the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work"
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God" and "they were judged every man according to their works"

Clearly it is the Father judging in Rev 20.



Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Here John refers to the Father as "God" and Jesus as "Christ". Though Christ is God, in the book of Revelation John will refer to the Father as God, and the Son by other titles. This is how we know who is who.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

God the Father does the judging here.
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

So Christ is a LIAR now?
 
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How can he be wrong when the Bible brings "one like unto the Son of Man" to "the Ancient of Days"? The Ancient of Days is indeed the Father (who is the Head of Christ) who hands the Son of Man (Christ) total dominion over all the world and its inhabitants. Eventually, Christ will hand back to the Father all that has been placed in Christ's hands.
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of Man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
(Dan 7:13,14)
Do you believe the Father Comes and revenges the Saints after warring against the Beast, like we see Christ does?

21 I looked and the horn [BEAST] that was like this waged war with the holy ones and overwhelmed them.
22 Until the Ancient of Days came and gave revenge to the high holy ones, and the time arrived that the holy ones inherited the kingdom.
 

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1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Obviously the verse you posted is contextual to the time Christ spoke that in not that the Father won't be judging at the Great White Throne Judgement (GWTJ).

Seriously you are going to use one verse out of context and ignore the MULTIPLE verses I presented that prove the Father is going to be judging? You can't even properly identify the Father from the Son in Daniel. You similarity have greatly erred on this as well.
 
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Do you believe the Father Comes and revenges the Saints after warring against the Beast, like we see Christ does?

21 I looked and the horn [BEAST] that was like this waged war with the holy ones and overwhelmed them.
22 Until the Ancient of Days came and gave revenge to the high holy ones, and the time arrived that the holy ones inherited the kingdom.
Giving revenge to others is not the same thing as taking revenge. It's not even about revenge but giving judgment to them.
 
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1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Obviously the verse you posted is contextual to the time Christ spoke that in not that the Father won't be judging at the Great White Throne Judgement (GWTJ).

Seriously you are going to use one verse out of context and ignore the MULTIPLE verses I presented that prove the Father is going to be judging? You can't even properly identify the Father from the Son in Daniel. You similarity have greatly erred on this as well.
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
 

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Clearly, you will twist Daniel until you make into what you like!
 

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Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Verb - Present Active Indicative - 3rd Person Singular

So Christ is saying the Father is not at the present time (in the first century) judging any man.
 
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Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Verb - Present Active Indicative - 3rd Person Singular

So Christ is saying the Father is not at the present time (in the first century) judging any man.
Really, the Son came to Die, not to Judge.

He judges at the GWTJ!
 
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John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
 

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Really, the Son came to Die, not to Judge.

LOL, that goes against the verse you posted which says the Son is given judgment! You can't even keep your own arguments straight. You never bothered to look up the verb tense, can't distinguish between the Son and the Father in Daniel. How in the world did you manage to get the rapture timing correct??
 
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No, you are twisted up and literally confused.

I said the Father did not Judge, it is Christ's job to judge, which happens at final Judgement.

And Christ said, he did not come to judge but save the world.

but Christ is Judge at final judgement.

so nowhere do we see the Father Judging at final judgement.
 

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No, you are twisted up and literally confused.

I said the Father did not Judge, it is Christ's job to judge, which happens at final Judgement.

And Christ said, he did not come to judge but save the world.

but Christ is Judge at final judgement.

so nowhere do we see the Father Judging at final judgement.
I'm confused? You literally just said, "it is Christ's job to judge" and "he did not come to judge".

You also said the Father does not judge yet I posted a verse saying clearly the Father shall judged the works of men, which is the same exact thing said at the Great White Throne Judgement (GWTJ).



"the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work"
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God" and "they were judged every man according to their works"