Trinitarian analogy

Heaven_Bound · Jan 22, 2022

You were confused when you chose to misinterpret Daniel

ewq1938 · Jan 22, 2022

lol, what a great comeback! *rolls eyes*

Heaven_Bound · Jan 22, 2022

Daniel shows us that the Ancient of Days is Judge on Judgement Day and the One who [[COMES]][Second Coming]] and gives revenge to the Saints at Armageddon

Nowhere, do we see the Father as Judge on Judgment Day, nor does He [[COME]] and gives revenge to the Saints against the Beast

That is Christ's Role to be final Judge and make a Second Coming to avenge the Saints at Armageddon.

Christ = Ancient of Days

ewq1938 · Jan 22, 2022

Heaven_Bound said:

Daniel shows us that the Ancient of Days is Judge on Judgement Day and the One who [[COMES]][Second Coming]] and gives revenge to the Saints at Armageddon

Nowhere, do we see the Father as Judge on Judgment Day, nor does He [[COME]] and gives revenge to the Saints against the Beast

That is Christ's Role to be final Judge and make a Second Coming to avenge the Saints at Armageddon.

Christ = Ancient of Days

I've already proven all of that wrong.

Heaven_Bound · Jan 22, 2022

ewq1938 said:

No, you provided your interpretation.

But, the Father is not Judge nor Comes to revenge the Saints.

So, you are creating a LIE.

Enjoy Your Lie, it is Yours alone!

ewq1938 · Jan 22, 2022

Heaven_Bound said:

You need to stop misquoting that text. It says the Father GAVE "revenge" to others. It does not say he comes to revenge them.

21 I looked and the horn [BEAST] that was like this waged war with the holy ones and overwhelmed them.
22 Until the Ancient of Days came and gave revenge to the high holy ones, and the time arrived that the holy ones inherited the kingdom.

This is a terrible translation but why do I understand it better than you do?

Heaven_Bound · Jan 22, 2022

ewq1938 said:

You are saying the Father Comes to Earth where the Beast is at!

that is UNBIBLICAL and HERETICAL!

Nehemiah6 · Jan 22, 2022

Heaven_Bound said:

The Father has handed ALL POWER AND AUTHORITY in Heaven and on earth to Christ. It is Christ who will deal with all God's enemies, and it is Christ who will judge the ungodly and the wicked: And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. (Jude 1:14,15)

Heaven_Bound · Jan 22, 2022

Nehemiah6 said:

The Father has handed ALL POWER AND AUTHORITY in Heaven and on earth to Christ. It is Christ who will deal with all God's enemies, and it is Christ who will judge the ungodly and the wicked: And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. (Jude 1:14,15)

Amen!
The Son [COMES] and does the business end!

Angela53510 · Jan 22, 2022

Aerials1978 said:

Incarceration is when you put someone in jail.
incarnation is when God became man through Jesus being born as a baby, and his whole life and death.

I hope you meant the latter and not the former!

Angela53510 · Jan 22, 2022

ewq1938 said:

Act 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Stephen was full of the Holy Spirit and he was able to see what normally is not visible to us. He saw Jesus standing next to the Father. He saw two individuals, the same two we can see in many other scriptures. It is incorrect to erase the Father from all these scriptures and replace him with Jesus alone as a real visible "person".

"a spirit hath not flesh and bones" yet Stephen actually saw his body, recognizing the Father visually as well as the Son.

1 Kings 22:19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.

Many have seen God, the LORD, literally sitting on a literal throne. That is simply because God has a literal body and form and sits upon a literal throne.

2Pet 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

The Father not only has a real body just as Christ does, but he is also fully capable of speaking audibly even though Christ is the Word of God. That doesn't mean the Father cannot speak for himself.

Exo_31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Deu_9:10 And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

"a spirit hath not flesh and bones" and they don't have fingers, but the Father does.

Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
Exo 33:21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
Exo 33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
Exo 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Here we see that he does have a face, has a hand, and has "back parts" of a body. Moses was not allowed to see his face, but he saw his hand and saw his "back parts".

"a spirit hath not flesh and bones" and they don't have a face, and a hand, and "back parts", but the Father does.

Exo 24:9 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:
Exo 24:10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
Exo 24:11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

"a spirit hath not flesh and bones" and they don't have a visible body with feet, but the Father does.

Gill:

Clarke:

Joh 5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Joh 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Joh 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Joh 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
Joh 5:32 There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
Joh 5:33 Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.
Joh 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.
Joh 5:35 He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.
Joh 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Joh 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

Jesus said to the Jews that they have never heard the voice of the Father. Does that mean the Father has no voice? No. The Jews simply had never heard the Father's voice.

Jesus said to the Jews that they have never seen the shape of the Father. Does that mean the Father has no shape? No. The Jews simply had never seen the Father's shape.

This proves that the Father does in fact have a voice and a shape which is testified in many scriptures as truth.

Rev 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Here God is in physical form and literally has a book in his right hand, which is attached to his right arm. Here we see the literal right arm as well as the figurative right arm, Jesus.

"a spirit hath not flesh and bones" and they don't have hands or arms, but the Father does.

Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.

In the past Job only heard the words of God but now he is graced with being able to see God!

"a spirit hath not flesh and bones" which means they have no body that can be seen, but the Father does.

You just quoted a bunch of long passages from the Bible without any explanation for why you posted them. Much better to take one passage, and show how it proved your point. As it is, you got nothing with your long post!

ewq1938 · Jan 22, 2022

Angela53510 said:

Every scripture has my commentary on them. They were posted to prove the Father is not a bodiless spirit. That was part of the earlier discussion that you appear to have missed.

justbyfaith · Jan 22, 2022

Heaven_Bound said:

Christ is the same Spirit become flesh.

Angela53510 · Jan 22, 2022

ewq1938 said:

I missed nothing. I read every post in this thread, but rejected most of what you wrote, because there were no explanations or ones so short they meant nothing.

Again, I urge you to take 1 or 2 passages and explain why they support your argument. Otherwise, almost no one will read your posts!

Angela53510 · Jan 22, 2022

ewq1938 said:

No, I didn't miss it at all. I saw it and rejected it as heresy. Someone called you out for being a Mormon, I believe, because of this heresy. This is what Mormons and dime other cults believe. You can post anthropomorphisms, parables, similes
and metaphors and you will never convince me God had a physical body,

"God is a Spirit, and they that worship him, must worship him in Spirit and truth." John 4:24.

I have no inclination to argue against your heresy, when others have already done it. However, if you absolutely need me to tell you how, why and where you are wrong, I'll have to do it tomorrow. Much too late here to do it now!

ewq1938 · Jan 22, 2022

Angela53510 said:

Has not "had". Anyways, you will see it is true when you see God the Father.

justbyfaith · Jan 22, 2022

ewq1938 said:

God the Father is a Spirit (John 4:23-24).

His physical appearance is likened unto an emerald rainbow in the book of Revelation.

ewq1938 · Jan 22, 2022

justbyfaith said:

The verse does not say that. "God is a spirit" is clearly a reference to God the Holy Spirit. God the Father was mentioned before that and Christ is the speaker giving us one of several scriptural examples of the Trinity.

justbyfaith · Jan 22, 2022

ewq1938 said:

God the Father is not God?

John 4:24 clearly says that God is a Spirit.

Let's look at it another way...

You would agree with me, I think, when I say that God is Triune: that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are all three of them God.

So, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are a Spirit...God is a Spirit.

If all three of them are a Spirit, then the first of them that is mentioned is a Spirit.

ewq1938 · Jan 22, 2022

justbyfaith said:

God the Father is NOT God the Holy Spirit.

A clear reference to God the Holy Spirit.

God the Father and God the Son ARE NOT a spirit. That's obvious from many scriptures.

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