The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.
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Consider this:
The LIVING Abraham Isaac and Jacob of Luke 20:37 ARE NOT RAPTURED, either (according to your erroneous thinking) in Matthew 24, or when this pretrib rapture actually happens in 1Thes 4 etc.
Furthermore the "them also which sleep" of 1Thes 4:14 or the "we which are alive and remain" of v. 15 have nothing whatsoever to do with a rapture or resurrection of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
The people who actually know what they are talking about know why and where the Scriptural support for this is....
Do you?
The LIVING Abraham Isaac and Jacob of Luke 20:37 ARE NOT RAPTURED, either (according to your erroneous thinking) in Matthew 24, or when this pretrib rapture actually happens in 1Thes 4 etc.
Furthermore the "them also which sleep" of 1Thes 4:14 or the "we which are alive and remain" of v. 15 have nothing whatsoever to do with a rapture or resurrection of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
The people who actually know what they are talking about know why and where the Scriptural support for this is....
Do you?
No, Jesus in Matthew 24 says
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
HUMANS ARE ON GROUND EARTH AND CAN SEE JESUS IN CLOUDS. SO, GO OUTSIDE AND LOOK AS FAR AS YOU CAN. CAN YOU SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD IN HEAVEN? NO, YOU SEE THE HEAVEN [CLOUDS] OF EARTH.
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
HUMANS ARE ON GROUND EARTH AND CAN SEE JESUS IN CLOUDS. SO, GO OUTSIDE AND LOOK AS FAR AS YOU CAN. CAN YOU SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD IN HEAVEN? NO, YOU SEE THE HEAVEN [CLOUDS] OF EARTH.
Hate to say this yet again, but where the text states, "the dead in Christ SHALL RISE FIRST" (...THEN... [such and such]), what "SHALL RISE FIRST" means is, they will be "resurrected" which is DEFINED AS: "to stand AGAIN [on the earth]"... This involves the very BODIES of them which had DIED (just like it had, regarding JESUS' own resurrection).
--"THIS corruptible must PUT ON incorruption" (speaking specifically of "the DEAD IN Christ" who "sleep through Jesus")
[whereas "and THIS mortal must PUT ON immortality" speaks specifically of the "we which are ALIVE and remain"--same time-slot though, to be clear (same "mortal [/still-living]" being spoken of in 2Cor5:4b "...but CLOTHED UPON, THAT mortality might be SWALLOWED UP of LIFE")]; "must PUT ON" and "CLOTHED UPON" speaks of that which ALSO involves the BODIES we have now... they themselves will be "CHANGED" (glorified / perfected / etc);
--"we shall ALL be CHANGED in a moment..." means that both the [now] resurrected dead in Christ AND the we which are alive and remain, i.e. the ENTIRE "Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (Eph1:20-23)--[note: "alive and remain" to the point in time being referenced]--will BOTH [both components] receive our glorified bodies AT THAT POINT (just prior to the moment of "our Rapture / SNATCH");
--the phrase, "shall be CAUGHT-UP / SNATCHED TOGETHER IN-UNION-WITH [G4862] them" means that the SNATCH-action occurs for both components AT THE SAME TIME. The text states "TO THE MEETING OF THE LORD"... it does not state, "to meet THEM [the DEAD in Christ, resurrected UP THERE] in the clouds [where their new bodies will already BE, ahead of us 'still-living' ones arriving there... NO!]"
--"THIS corruptible must PUT ON incorruption" (speaking specifically of "the DEAD IN Christ" who "sleep through Jesus")
[whereas "and THIS mortal must PUT ON immortality" speaks specifically of the "we which are ALIVE and remain"--same time-slot though, to be clear (same "mortal [/still-living]" being spoken of in 2Cor5:4b "...but CLOTHED UPON, THAT mortality might be SWALLOWED UP of LIFE")]; "must PUT ON" and "CLOTHED UPON" speaks of that which ALSO involves the BODIES we have now... they themselves will be "CHANGED" (glorified / perfected / etc);
--"we shall ALL be CHANGED in a moment..." means that both the [now] resurrected dead in Christ AND the we which are alive and remain, i.e. the ENTIRE "Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (Eph1:20-23)--[note: "alive and remain" to the point in time being referenced]--will BOTH [both components] receive our glorified bodies AT THAT POINT (just prior to the moment of "our Rapture / SNATCH");
--the phrase, "shall be CAUGHT-UP / SNATCHED TOGETHER IN-UNION-WITH [G4862] them" means that the SNATCH-action occurs for both components AT THE SAME TIME. The text states "TO THE MEETING OF THE LORD"... it does not state, "to meet THEM [the DEAD in Christ, resurrected UP THERE] in the clouds [where their new bodies will already BE, ahead of us 'still-living' ones arriving there... NO!]"
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You are getting the "chronology" out of whack again. (Slow down.)
1) "The Transfiguration" thing took place PRIOR TO Christ's DEATH on the Cross
2) Matthew 17:9 says this of that scene: "And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead."
1) "The Transfiguration" thing took place PRIOR TO Christ's DEATH on the Cross
2) Matthew 17:9 says this of that scene: "And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead."
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Surely you jest......
Revelation 19:11.....Jesus on a white horse.
Revelation 19:14.....armies (plural) on white horses.
Furthermore, the "gathering" of Matthew 24 occur after this happens (because Jesus is first going to exhibit his Glory to them in victory).......not before.
And the Church per se is not to be found anywhere between Revelation chapter 6 through 18. The Church has been raptured by Revelation 4:1.....at least seven years beforehand.
The Church/Bride is enjoying a seven day aka seven year honeymoon at the Father's house while God's 70th week wrath rages upon the earth. Neither the Church nor Jesus is seen in Revelation chapter 6 through 18.
You obviously don't understand the Jewish wedding ritual as it pertains to the Bridegroom Jesus His Bride the Church and end-time eschatology.
Revelation 19:11.....Jesus on a white horse.
Revelation 19:14.....armies (plural) on white horses.
Furthermore, the "gathering" of Matthew 24 occur after this happens (because Jesus is first going to exhibit his Glory to them in victory).......not before.
And the Church per se is not to be found anywhere between Revelation chapter 6 through 18. The Church has been raptured by Revelation 4:1.....at least seven years beforehand.
The Church/Bride is enjoying a seven day aka seven year honeymoon at the Father's house while God's 70th week wrath rages upon the earth. Neither the Church nor Jesus is seen in Revelation chapter 6 through 18.
You obviously don't understand the Jewish wedding ritual as it pertains to the Bridegroom Jesus His Bride the Church and end-time eschatology.
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