The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

[Absolutely]

Your lies are atrocious. I've shown you and others many many times what the Bible says.

There is ONE resurrection for the saved. Both dead and living all receive their glorified bodies together. Acts 24:15
That single resurrection occurs at the Second Advent, "when He comes" (1 Cor 15:23).
2 Thess 2:1 clearly states the "gathering (rapture) occurs "when Jesus comes", which is the Second Advent.
Rev 20:4,5 also clearly states the singular resurrection for the saved is called the FIRST resurrection (the one for the saved) and occurs "when He comes" back at the Second Advent.

But you only keep denying what you have been shown.

I ask for a post of yours laying out your doctrine.
You nastily bite my head off.

You cant make this stuff up.
Just unbelievable.

 

[Absolutely]

I agree, so let US see it as the gift that it is, to put forth GODS WORDS and truths and to sharpen our understanding and to be happy that anyone reading these are able to see for themselves GODs words in clear form without the confusion. And as we go on we can keep building upon this foundation of understanding.

I just posted that Jesus came to cause division and I believe it is because it really separates us. WE ON the other hand have got to do our best to 'crucify' the flesh and 'rise above' what comes at us and stick to the job at hand. Sharing Gods Good News.

Don't get me wrong, I LOOSE it. BUT Praise God, no where near as much as I did when I started. A work in progress....God bless you Heaven Bound

Uh, no, " air" means air.

Sorry to unsettle you guys over that nothingburger

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Gathers only the living? At His second coming, He judges the nations of the earth and those found as sheep will be ushered into the Millennium. Those that were killed for the sake of Christ during the tribulation will be resurrected to reign with Christ during the Millennium.

Reread Matthew 24:

Christ appears in the AIR
His Angels GATHER the Elect from 4 Corners
Then Armageddon and then Mill Reign

 

[Absolutely]

Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.


Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.



Mark 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.


Romans 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.


Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.


AND THE DEAD IN CHRIST RISE BECAUSE THEY TO WILL BE JUDGED. AND they have to have a FIRST DEATH because that is a requirement when you are facing a SECOND one.

The alive and remaining are changed in the wink of an eye, THEY NEVER TASTE OF DEATH.

What is the secret? ALL WILL BE CHANGED by either dead and rising or being changed.


In answer to the first question.

Yeah
Jesus preached the gospel to those in paradise.
They resurrected.
Firstfruits.
Any questions?

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Uh, no, " air" means air.

Sorry to unsettle you guys over that nothingburger

Air means what we breathe, so there is a limit to where we can breathe and not breathe and that tells us where we are caught up to.

I am not saying the issue with breathing is for the resurrected. But the Bible uses Air we Breathe to show where we are Gathered to.

 

[Absolutely]

Reread Matthew 24:

Christ appears in the AIR
His Angels GATHER the Elect from 4 Corners
Then Judgement and then Mill Reign

i already showed you angels gather the elect in heaven BEFORE the white horses descend.

Of course they do. They are gathered in heaven FOR THE WHITE HORSES.

PSSSST....you need them gathered AFTER the white horses leave.

In the rapture we RISE AT HIS APPEARING.

PLEASE throw that postrib rapture workbook away.
You are blatantly mislead at EVERY POINT OF DOCTRINE.

The white horses blew postrib rapture error away years ago.

 

[Absolutely]

Air means what we breathe, so there is a limit to where we can breathe and not breathe and that tells us where we are caught up to.

I am not saying the issue with breathing is for the resurrected. But the Bible uses Air we Breathe to show where we are Gathered to.

Fits pretrib rapture.
Meet Him in the air.
No problem
Next

 

[Absolutely]

The Bible speaks of the resurrection in the singular. There are not stages. Only one.

The "firstfruits" is jesus Himself, who was the FIRST human to receive a glorified body. All the rest of the saved receive their glorified bodies "when He comes", as 1 Cor 15:23 says.

And Rev 20:5 very plainly describes the resurrection of trib martyrs as the FIRST resurrection, so that's when ALL believers will get a glorified body.

Wow

That is impossible.

All those martyrs from the cross till now are just going to have to wait.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Report: Israeli fighter jets, refueling planes hold massive drill aimed at Tehran

Maneuvers seen as intended to plan for strike on Iran, Saudi-owned Elaph claims
By TOI STAFF 21 January 2022, 7:00 am

Boeing 707 and F-15 demonstrate mid-air refueling

Israeli fighter jets carried out a large drill over the Mediterranean that included practicing mid-air refueling, according to a report in a Saudi-run news outlet Thursday.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Israel does not play cat/mouse games.

Be Prepared for War and Peace Treaty!

What does any Peace Treaty involving Israel mean?

It means, they will only listen to One Person!

 

[Heaven_Bound]

We should be Raptured before a World War, but looks like we are gong to be here for either War or Peace Treaty!

 

[kleronomos]

There is only one resurrection for the saved.

Acts 24:15 shows one for the saved and one for the unsaved.

Matt 22:30, Luke 14:14 and 1 Cor 15:23 all speak of the resurrection of the saved in the SINGULAR.

And 2 Thess 2:1 and 1 Cor 15:23 and Rev 20:5 all show that singular resurrection occurring at the end of the Trib "when He comes".

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust. THIS 'A' RESURRECTION IS ALREADY 2 RESURRECTIONS. Maybe it is 2 billion resurrections.

from the Greek - a hope having in God which also they themselves await a resurrection there is about to be of the just both and of the unjust

Each 'they them self' is a resurrection. Just if good, unjust if bad. Doesn't say when, doesn't say all at the same time, doesn't say all together. Doesn't say on the last day.

SINCE there is no 'time' set, each person having a resurrection WOULD ALSO BE COVERED UNDER THIS VERSE. Since everyone is awaiting death, then everyone is also awaiting a resurrection.




Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

GOD being the God of the living AND being the God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob MEANS THEY CAN'T BE ASLEEP OR DEAD.
BECAUSE THAT WOULD MAKE GOD THE GOD OF THE DEAD.



Luke 14:14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.
15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God.

Again, NO TIME IS GIVEN, it is an assumption just as all the others are. THIS ONE is even more like immediate resurrection because it is speaking of eating bread in the kingdom of GOD.


Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
38 For He is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto Him.

THIS very CLEARLY SHOWS immediate resurrection AGAIN. NOW THAT THE DEAD ARE RAISED. HERE WE HAVE A TIME. AND THAT TIME IS NOW. PRESENT. PAST.




1Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that He rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY

13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY

14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ: whom He raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY

16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY

17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY

18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits


of them that slept.
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME IF CHRIST IS THE FIRSTFRUITS OF ALL THE SAVED OR
IS THE FIRSTFRUITS OF ONLY THOSE WHO SLEPT?

IF Christ is the firstfruits of them who slept then THEM WHO SLEPT WOULD BE THE DEAD WHO RISE WHEN CHRIST RISES.

Anyone EVER notice that the graves were OPENED WHEN HE BREATHED HIS LAST BREATH AND DIDN'T WAIT (PRAISE YE THE LORD) TILL HE ROSE 3 DAYS LATER? Never mind, we have to get through this other stuff first.



21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY for Christ and the firstfruits AS THE SAVED DIE/rise,


and at His coming, when the alive and remaining are changed.

TIME- 2ND ADVENT

2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,

TIME- 2ND ADVENT

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.


TIME- 2ND ADVENT

 

[kleronomos]

"""AS YOU WILL NOTICE THE ALIVE AND REMAINING ARE STILL ON EARTH AND CHRIST IS RETURNING."""

Yes.
Pretrib
And the rapture pretrib.

You have shown nothing at all to the contrary

EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT CHRIST IS RETURNING AS LORD OF LORD AND KING OF KINGS FOR THE DAY OF VENGEANCE TO RULE AND REIGN ON EARTH.


PLEASE UNDERSTAND, I WILL NOT BE ADDRESSING ANY MORE OF YOUR POSTS. WE HAVE COVERED THIS OVER AND OVER. i CAN NOT GIVE ANY MORE PLACE TO SENSELESS DEBATE WITH YOU.

 

[Absolutely]

EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT CHRIST IS RETURNING AS LORD OF LORD AND KING OF KINGS FOR THE DAY OF VENGEANCE TO RULE AND REIGN ON EARTH.


PLEASE UNDERSTAND, I WILL NOT BE ADDRESSING ANY MORE OF YOUR POSTS. WE HAVE COVERED THIS OVER AND OVER. i CAN NOT GIVE ANY MORE PLACE TO SENSELESS DEBATE WITH YOU.

the game changer is where you NEED it to be " one coming". But rev 14 :14 totally destroys it.

But hey
Get with those like minded folks that ignore our verses.
You can not deal with the challenge.

So you name call and run.

 

[Absolutely]

We should be Raptured before a World War, but looks like we are gong to be here for either War or Peace Treaty!

Well glad you got it all figured out.

War has nothing to do with the rapture .
We have always had them and always will

 

[Absolutely]

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust. THIS 'A' RESURRECTION IS ALREADY 2 RESURRECTIONS. Maybe it is 2 billion resurrections.

from the Greek - a hope having in God which also they themselves await a resurrection there is about to be of the just both and of the unjust

Each 'they them self' is a resurrection. Just if good, unjust if bad. Doesn't say when, doesn't say all at the same time, doesn't say all together. Doesn't say on the last day.

SINCE there is no 'time' set, each person having a resurrection WOULD ALSO BE COVERED UNDER THIS VERSE. Since everyone is awaiting death, then everyone is also awaiting a resurrection.




Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

GOD being the God of the living AND being the God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob MEANS THEY CAN'T BE ASLEEP OR DEAD.
BECAUSE THAT WOULD MAKE GOD THE GOD OF THE DEAD.



Luke 14:14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.
15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God.

Again, NO TIME IS GIVEN, it is an assumption just as all the others are. THIS ONE is even more like immediate resurrection because it is speaking of eating bread in the kingdom of GOD.


Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
38 For He is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto Him.

THIS very CLEARLY SHOWS immediate resurrection AGAIN. NOW THAT THE DEAD ARE RAISED. HERE WE HAVE A TIME. AND THAT TIME IS NOW. PRESENT. PAST.




1Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that He rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY

13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY

14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ: whom He raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY

16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY

17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY

18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits


of them that slept.
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME IF CHRIST IS THE FIRSTFRUITS OF ALL THE SAVED OR
IS THE FIRSTFRUITS OF ONLY THOSE WHO SLEPT?

IF Christ is the firstfruits of them who slept then THEM WHO SLEPT WOULD BE THE DEAD WHO RISE WHEN CHRIST RISES.

Anyone EVER notice that the graves were OPENED WHEN HE BREATHED HIS LAST BREATH AND DIDN'T WAIT (PRAISE YE THE LORD) TILL HE ROSE 3 DAYS LATER? Never mind, we have to get through this other stuff first.



21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY for Christ and the firstfruits AS THE SAVED DIE/rise,


and at His coming, when the alive and remaining are changed.

TIME- 2ND ADVENT

2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,

TIME- 2ND ADVENT

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.


TIME- 2ND ADVENT

There is nothing you have presented that challenges a pretrib rapture.
Zero.
Maybe one dynamic at a time?

Instead of painting yourself into a corner with 30 minute orations?

In any case, those that think there is " one coming" are not scripturally supported.

Just look at the rejection of "firstfruits".

Very telling
And a major red flag.

 

[Absolutely]

Air means what we breathe, so there is a limit to where we can breathe and not breathe and that tells us where we are caught up to.

I am not saying the issue with breathing is for the resurrected. But the Bible uses Air we Breathe to show where we are Gathered to.

it means they are rising ....cue drum roll...Up, up, and away!!!!!

That is all it means.

No brainer.

 

[Absolutely]

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust. THIS 'A' RESURRECTION IS ALREADY 2 RESURRECTIONS. Maybe it is 2 billion resurrections.

from the Greek - a hope having in God which also they themselves await a resurrection there is about to be of the just both and of the unjust

Each 'they them self' is a resurrection. Just if good, unjust if bad. Doesn't say when, doesn't say all at the same time, doesn't say all together. Doesn't say on the last day.

SINCE there is no 'time' set, each person having a resurrection WOULD ALSO BE COVERED UNDER THIS VERSE. Since everyone is awaiting death, then everyone is also awaiting a resurrection.




Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

GOD being the God of the living AND being the God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob MEANS THEY CAN'T BE ASLEEP OR DEAD.
BECAUSE THAT WOULD MAKE GOD THE GOD OF THE DEAD.



Luke 14:14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.
15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God.

Again, NO TIME IS GIVEN, it is an assumption just as all the others are. THIS ONE is even more like immediate resurrection because it is speaking of eating bread in the kingdom of GOD.


Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
38 For He is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto Him.

THIS very CLEARLY SHOWS immediate resurrection AGAIN. NOW THAT THE DEAD ARE RAISED. HERE WE HAVE A TIME. AND THAT TIME IS NOW. PRESENT. PAST.




1Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that He rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY

13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY

14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ: whom He raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY

16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY

17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY

18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits


of them that slept.
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME IF CHRIST IS THE FIRSTFRUITS OF ALL THE SAVED OR
IS THE FIRSTFRUITS OF ONLY THOSE WHO SLEPT?

IF Christ is the firstfruits of them who slept then THEM WHO SLEPT WOULD BE THE DEAD WHO RISE WHEN CHRIST RISES.

Anyone EVER notice that the graves were OPENED WHEN HE BREATHED HIS LAST BREATH AND DIDN'T WAIT (PRAISE YE THE LORD) TILL HE ROSE 3 DAYS LATER? Never mind, we have to get through this other stuff first.



21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

TIME PRESENTED IN THIS VERSE IS NOW/PRESENTLY for Christ and the firstfruits AS THE SAVED DIE/rise,


and at His coming, when the alive and remaining are changed.

TIME- 2ND ADVENT

2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,

TIME- 2ND ADVENT

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.


TIME- 2ND ADVENT

Um
All those verses fit pretrib rapture

Next

 

[Absolutely]

i have yet to see any meaningful challenge to a pretrib rapture.

 

[Absolutely]

You have to show a postrib rapture.

As we can see.
There is none.