TONGUES is a precious gift from God

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CS1

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I have a Leviathan spirit, a Jezebel spirit and a Religious spirit. Do you know of one book I can purchase to get rid of all three or will I have to buy three separate books? You think books will be enough or will I need a seminar or DVDs too?
whoever told you that you have those spirits should have told you where to get the book for each of them.
 

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I have a Leviathan spirit, a Jezebel spirit and a Religious spirit. Do you know of one book I can purchase to get rid of all three or will I have to buy three separate books? You think books will be enough or will I need a seminar or DVDs too?
All you need is pray ask Jesus to free from all demonic spirit.
 

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I have a Leviathan spirit, a Jezebel spirit and a Religious spirit. Do you know of one book I can purchase to get rid of all three or will I have to buy three separate books? You think books will be enough or will I need a seminar or DVDs too?
Yes, you can get rid of all three - Leviathan, Jezebel and Religious but, after they have left, you will need to be filled with the Holy Spirit of God or else they will return with many more.

Do you truly want to be free? :unsure:
 
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Ahh, but it's not definitive. For every verse you give me that supports tongues for today, I can match it with one that doesn't support it. The scriptures can be manipulated to say anything a person wants.

If you believe the scriptures support tongues, that's fine, that's your belief. However, my focus is on a particular denomination and whether or not what they teach and practice is legit.
Let's see the verses that don't support the gift of tongues. They have to be in context and not just random verses cherrypicked.

The examples of tongues in Acts are Luke's journal record of how people experienced it. But Paul's teaching in 1 Corinthians 14 is the doctrinal basis for the use of the gift in public and in private. In fact, the whole of 1 Corinthians is a teaching manual of how a church should practice its worship and what its sound doctrine and discipline should be.

You will see definite teaching on how a church should discipline those whose conduct brings it into disrepute; how the Lord's Supper should be conducted; sound doctrine concerning the resurrection; what the body of Christ is and how it should function; the nature of the Holy Spirit and how He work to strengthen and build up the church; the true definition of love, and how believers should love one another.

Therefore, we can't use the experiences in Acts to say how we should use the gift of tongues in church and private worship, in the same way that we see someone driving a motor vehicle down the road and say that it is how a motor vehicle should be driven. But to know how to drive a motor vehicle we employ an instructor who teaches us how to drive it properly. This is what Paul has done in 1 Corinthians. He is saying that this is how the church should function, in the same way that when we see someone not doing something correctly, we step in and teach them how to do it properly.

So this is what Paul has done with the gift of tongues and prophecy. He has seen that the Corinthians are making mistakes in the way they are using the gifts, and so steps in and teaches them how tongues and prophecy should be done.

And Paul is saying that this teaching is not just his opinion, but his teaching is coming directly from the Lord. Therefore 1 Corinthians 14, like the rest of 1 Corinthians, is not just a set of random verses cobbled together. It is a precise, well-ordered, set of sound doctrinal teaching on how to do things correctly in church.
 
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I have a Leviathan spirit, a Jezebel spirit and a Religious spirit. Do you know of one book I can purchase to get rid of all three or will I have to buy three separate books? You think books will be enough or will I need a seminar or DVDs too?
Who told you that you had these spirits? If that is true and that you have those spirits, then you don't have the Holy Spirit, and nothing you say concerning Christian doctrine can be reliable.

But I suspect that you really don't have these spirits, but are making out that you have to see what answers you get. In actual fact, none of these spirits are identified in the New Testament, so they are figments of the imagination by those who tend to see a demon under every bush, and who are likely to accuse their mother-in-law of having a demon.
 
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Yes, you can get rid of all three - Leviathan, Jezebel and Religious but, after they have left, you will need to be filled with the Holy Spirit of God or else they will return with many more.

Do you truly want to be free? :unsure:
I think he is fooling you to get a response which he can pick to pieces and make you look ridiculous.
 

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All you need is pray ask Jesus to free from all demonic spirit.
True, it is in the Name, Power and Authority of Jesus Christ that every demonic spirit trembles and is cast out of a person...and Jesus Christ will fill them with the Holy Spirit for He is the Baptizer of the Holy Spirit and Fire.

The person needs to call on the Name of Jesus Christ, repent and surrender their life to Jesus Christ as Savior, Lord and King. Once the person and Jesus Christ are in Blood Covenant, the demons no longer have any legal right to be in the person and they must go.

Basically, Jesus Christ shows up and takes ownership of what now belongs to Him alone because He bought and paid for the person with His own Blood and Body.
 

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Yes. As you mentioned we disagree when a person actually receives the Holy Ghost. You mention people are sealed when they believe. But your and my understanding of what that means differs. Believe what is the question. Believing the entire message results in one receiving the Holy Ghost. Belief prompts action that brings about the sealing of the Holy Ghost.

I am convinced from the Word that a person does not automatically receive the Holy Ghost the moment they believe the gospel message. Why? I'll provide a couple of the reasons. One, I am reminded of Paul's question to the Ephesus disciples: Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed? This question indicates receiving the Holy Ghost does not automatically occur at the time one believes the gospel message. The Samaritan's did not receive the Holy Ghost when they believed either. Peter and John assisted in the Samaritans receiving the Holy Ghost days after they believed Philip's message and were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

i provided these as well as other scriptures previously so I don't imagine this post will change your mind. And that's ok.
Well then I would say you misinterprete this scriptures. According you claim. I am not an Christian. And all who I know are not Christians. The missionaries, the churches i attend the time since I became a believer are not christians.
All non pentecostals and non charismatics are non christians.
Before 1901 are no christians in europe and australia, f.e. according your claime!

Acts 8, 10 and 19 were not told for to teach an second baptism with speaking in tongues as proof for it. They were told gor to show the jews that Christ dies also for the samaritians, and gentiles and showed the disciples of John the Baptist the real message.
Jesus alone is there for all!!
 

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Well then I would say you misinterprete this scriptures. According you claim. I am not an Christian. And all who I know are not Christians. The missionaries, the churches i attend the time since I became a believer are not christians.
All non pentecostals and non charismatics are non christians.
Before 1901 are no christians in europe and australia, f.e. according your claime!

Acts 8, 10 and 19 were not told for to teach an second baptism with speaking in tongues as proof for it. They were told gor to show the jews that Christ dies also for the samaritians, and gentiles and showed the disciples of John the Baptist the real message.
Jesus alone is there for all!!

you still do not know what you are talking about


 
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Yes. As you mentioned we disagree when a person actually receives the Holy Ghost. You mention people are sealed when they believe. But your and my understanding of what that means differs. Believe what is the question. Believing the entire message results in one receiving the Holy Ghost. Belief prompts action that brings about the sealing of the Holy Ghost.

I am convinced from the Word that a person does not automatically receive the Holy Ghost the moment they believe the gospel message. Why? I'll provide a couple of the reasons. One, I am reminded of Paul's question to the Ephesus disciples: Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed? This question indicates receiving the Holy Ghost does not automatically occur at the time one believes the gospel message. The Samaritan's did not receive the Holy Ghost when they believed either. Peter and John assisted in the Samaritans receiving the Holy Ghost days after they believed Philip's message and were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

i provided these as well as other scriptures previously so I don't imagine this post will change your mind. And that's ok.

oh I know all about your 'proof' scriptures having interacted with you in numerous threads over time

you forget to tell people you are also a Oneness Pentecostal and do not believe in the Trinity and have several other doctrines that most of us here have indicated are not to be found in scripture

this is not the thread to attempt to convince people they are not saved if they do not speak in tongues...you have several threads going in which to promote your beliefs. don't hijack this one

again we are sealed with the Spirit of God when we first believe....sure Paul asked about receiving the Holy Spirit....most of us had an experience after our initial salvation as in found in the book of Acts....and you KNOW scripture says this

In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 1:13

nothing about speaking in tongues....the gospel itself does not mention speaking in tongues. the gospel is about Christ and salvation through His blood....you make a major doctrine out of a gift that Paul himself describes as the least of the gifts.

Paul never told anyone they were not saved if they did not speak in tongues.

HE DID NOT, SO WHY ARE YOU SAYING THAT TO PEOPLE?

this is not up for further debate. you have multiple threads in which to argue Oneness Pentecostalism

don't make this thread all about you
 
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I have a Leviathan spirit, a Jezebel spirit and a Religious spirit. Do you know of one book I can purchase to get rid of all three or will I have to buy three separate books? You think books will be enough or will I need a seminar or DVDs too?
not sure any of that will help

perhaps dropping red hot coals on your back and 3 strong men to hold you down

or the rack? and confession of what gave those things entrance. smh
 

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ACts 2
2 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a noise came from heaven. It sounded like a strong wind blowing. This noise filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw something that looked like flames of fire. The flames were separated and stood over each person there. 4 They were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they began to speak different languages. The Holy Spirit was giving them the power to do this.

5 There were some godly Jews in Jerusalem at this time. They were from every country in the world. 6 A large crowd came together because they heard the noise. They were surprised because, as the apostles were speaking, everyone heard in their own language.

7 They were all amazed at this. They did not understand how the apostles could do this. They said, “Look! These men we hear speaking are all from Galilee.[a] 8 But we hear them in our own languages. How is this possible? We are from all these different places: 9 Parthia, Media, Elam, Mesopotamia, Judea, Cappadocia, Pontus, Asia, 10 Phrygia, Pamphylia, Egypt, the areas of Libya near the city of Cyrene, Rome, 11 Crete, and Arabia. Some of us were born Jews, and others have changed their religion to worship God like Jews. We are from these different countries, but we can hear these men in our own languages! We can all understand the great things they are saying about God.”



Acts 2 proves it is known languages. Paul's illustration about Music also has that meaning.

Paul's quote of Isaiah 28:11 in I cor 14:21 seals the text as being known human languages.

I cor 14
9 It is the same with you. If you don’t speak clearly in a language people know, they cannot understand what you are saying. You will be talking to the air! 10 It is true that there are many different languages in the world, and they all have meaning. 11 But if I don’t understand the meaning of what someone is saying, it will just be strange sounds to me, and I will sound just as strange to them. 12 That’s why you who want spiritual gifts so much should prefer those gifts that help the church grow stronger.

13 So those who have the gift of speaking in a different language should pray that they can also interpret what they say. 14 If I pray in a different language, my spirit is praying, but my mind does nothing. 15 So what should I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind. I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind. 16 You might be praising God with your spirit. But someone there without understanding cannot say “Amen” to your prayer of thanks, because they don’t know what you are saying. 17 You may be thanking God in a good way, but others are not helped.

18 I thank God that my gift of speaking in different kinds of languages is greater than any of yours. 19 But in the church meetings I would rather speak five words that I understand than thousands of words in a different language. I would rather speak with my understanding, so that I can teach others.

20 Brothers and sisters, don’t think like children. In evil things be like babies, but in your thinking you should be like full-grown adults. 21 As the Scriptures[a] say,

Using those who speak a different language
and using the lips of foreigners,

I will speak to these people.
But even then, they will not obey me.”

This is what the Lord says.

22 And from this we see that the use of different languages shows how God deals with those who don’t believe, not with those who believe. And prophecy shows how God works through those who believe, not through unbelievers. 23 Suppose the whole church meets together and you all speak in different languages. If some people come in who are without understanding or don’t believe, they will say you are crazy. 24 But suppose you are all prophesying and someone comes in who does not believe or who is without understanding. Their sin will be shown to them, and they will be judged by everything you say. 25 The secret things in their heart will be made known. So they will bow down and worship God. They will say, “Without a doubt, God is here with you.”

Isaiah 28:11

New International Version
Very well then, with foreign lips and strange tongues God will speak to this people,

Berean Study Bible
Indeed, with mocking lips and foreign tongues, He will speak to this people

Amplified Bible
Indeed, the LORD will teach this people [in a more humiliating way] By [men with] stammering lips and a foreign tongue,

Brenton Septuagint Translation
by reason of the contemptuous words of the lips, by means of another language: for they shall speak to this people, saying to them,

Good News Translation
If you won't listen to me, then God will use foreigners speaking some strange-sounding language to teach you a lesson.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The LORD will speak to these people. He will mock them by speaking in a foreign language.

International Standard Version
Very well, then, through the mouths of foreigners and foreign languages the LORD will speak to this people

Literal Standard Version
For by scorned lip, and by another tongue, Does He speak to this people.

NET Bible
For with mocking lips and a foreign tongue he will speak to these people.

Young's Literal Translation
For by scorned lip, and by another tongue, Doth He speak unto this people.

Catholic Public Domain Version
For with the speech of lips and with a different language, he will speak to this people.

Peshitta Holy Bible Translated
Because with difficult speech and in another language I shall speak with this people

Lamsa Bible
For with a difficult speech and with an alien tongue will he speak to this people.

Brenton Septuagint Translation
by reason of the contemptuous words of the lips, by means of another language: for they shall speak to this people, saying to them,

NET Bible
For with mocking lips and a foreign tongue he will speak to these people.
 

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Isaiah 28
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The Lord Will Judge Ephraim
28 The splendid crown of Ephraim’s drunkards is doomed,[a]
the withering flower, its beautiful splendor,
situated[c] at the head of a rich valley,
the crown of those overcome with wine.[d]
2 Look, the Lord[e] sends a strong, powerful one.[f]
With the force of a hailstorm or a destructive windstorm,[g]
with the might of a driving, torrential rainstorm,[h]
he will knock that crown to the ground with his hand.[j]
3 The splendid crown of Ephraim’s drunkards
will be trampled underfoot.
4 The withering flower, its beautiful splendor,
situated at the head of a rich valley,
will be like an early fig before harvest—
as soon as someone notices it,
he grabs it and swallows it.[k]
5 At that time[l] the Lord of Heaven’s Armies will become a beautiful crown
and a splendid diadem for the remnant of his people.
6 He will give discernment to the one who makes judicial decisions,
and strength to those who defend the city from attackers.[m]
7 Even these men[n] stagger because of wine;
they stumble around because of beer—
priests and prophets stagger because of beer,
they are confused[o] because of wine,
they stumble around because of beer;
they stagger while seeing prophetic visions,[p]
they totter while making legal decisions.[q]
8 Indeed, all the tables
are covered with vomit,
with filth, leaving no clean place.[r]
9 Who is the Lord trying to teach?
To whom is he explaining a message?[t]
To those just weaned from milk!
To those just taken from their mother’s breast!
10 Indeed, they will hear meaningless gibberish,
senseless babbling,
a syllable here, a syllable there.[v]
11 For with mocking lips and a foreign tongue
he will speak to these people.
[w]
12 In the past he said to them,[x]
“This is where security can be found.
Provide security for the one who is exhausted.
This is where rest can be found.”[y]
But they refused to listen.
13 So the Lord’s message to them will sound like
meaningless gibberish,
senseless babbling,
a syllable here, a syllable there.[z]
As a result, they will fall on their backsides when they try to walk,[aa]
and be injured, ensnared, and captured.[ab]

The Lord Will Judge Jerusalem
14 Therefore, listen to the Lord’s message,
you who mock,
you rulers of these people
who reside in Jerusalem.
15 For you say,
“We have made a treaty with death,
with Sheol[ac] we have made an agreement.[ad]
When the overwhelming judgment sweeps by[ae]
it will not reach us.
For we have made a lie our refuge,
we have hidden ourselves in a deceitful word.”[af]
16 Therefore, this is what the Sovereign Lord, says:

“Look, I am laying[ag] a stone in Zion,
an approved[ah] stone,
set in place as a precious cornerstone for the foundation.[ai]
The one who maintains his faith will not panic.[aj]
17 I will make justice the measuring line,
fairness the plumb line;
hail will sweep away the unreliable refuge,[ak]
the floodwaters will overwhelm the hiding place.
18 Your treaty with death will be dissolved;[al]
your agreement[am] with Sheol will not last.[an]
When the overwhelming judgment sweeps by,[ao]
you will be overrun by it.[ap]
19 Whenever it sweeps by, it will overtake you;
indeed,[aq] every morning it will sweep by,
it will come through during the day and the night.”[ar]
When this announcement is understood,
it will cause nothing but terror.
20 For the bed is too short to stretch out on,
and the blanket is too narrow to wrap around oneself.[as]
21 For the Lord will rise up, as he did at Mount Perazim;[at]
he will rouse himself, as he did in the Valley of Gibeon,[au]
to accomplish his work,
his peculiar work,
to perform his task,
his strange task.[av]
22 So now, do not mock,
or your chains will become heavier!
For I have heard a message about decreed destruction,
from the Sovereign Lord of Heaven’s Armies against the entire land.[aw]
23 Pay attention and listen to my message.[ax]
Be attentive and listen to what I have to say![ay]
24 Does a farmer just keep on plowing at planting time?[az]
Does he keep breaking up and harrowing his ground?
25 Once he has leveled its surface,
does he not scatter the seed of the caraway plant,
sow the seed of the cumin plant,
and plant the wheat, barley, and grain in their designated places?[ba]
26 His God instructs him;
he teaches him the principles of agriculture.[bb]
27 Certainly[bc] caraway seed is not threshed with a sledge,
nor is the wheel of a cart rolled over cumin seed.[bd]
Certainly caraway seed is beaten with a stick,
and cumin seed with a flail.[be]
28 Grain is crushed,
though one certainly does not thresh it forever.
The wheel of one’s wagon rolls over it,
but his horses do not crush it.
29 This also comes from the Lord of Heaven’s Armies,
who gives supernatural guidance and imparts great wisdom.[bf]
 

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I have a Leviathan spirit, a Jezebel spirit and a Religious spirit. Do you know of one book I can purchase to get rid of all three or will I have to buy three separate books? You think books will be enough or will I need a seminar or DVDs too?
http://storage.cloversites.com/cros...etting Free of Religious, Jezebel Python.pdf

The above link will define in a somewhat false way what these so - called spirits you have cited are and how to be delivered from them.

What you will read in the eight pages is a perfect explanation of what ensues when some brethren set themselves up in a prophetic guise and start instructing entire churches or even cities - as the pdf is ambitious to do.

From the pdf:

The Leviathan/Python Spirit seeks to KILL the life of the Spirit.
Its purpose is to SQUEEZE the life of Christ out of us.
It is usually attached to a Religious or Jezebel Spirit but goes further than just RESISTING the Holy Spirit or CONTROLLING it. It seeks to KILL it!


If you believe that the Holy Spirit is an IT then go right ahead and read it. If not brother then best to resist poking fun at the monetary ambitions of some - and YET this delightful document of deliverance is entirely free.

Can you really imagine how one could kill the Holy Spirit?
 

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RA obiviously has me on ignore😭😭😭😭

We can NOT convince another of God's divine and supreme power unless the Spirit moves on that stony heart!

Paul was told" ALMOST thou persuadeth me.......
God resists the proud and rejects the stubborn spirit.

Those that follow so called " preachers,pastors" that INSTRUCT you on how to speak in tongues are of THEIR FATHER, the devil!

We are in the closing out of this age and when he who will let be taken out of the way......ALL HELL will break lose.

Many who are faithful to man and his interpretations will find themselves here on earth to remain after Christ comes. There will be no pointing fingers or you deceived me accusations, every man's sins are on their own heads.

Today, today is the day for you to be blood bought,sin stains cleansed,and learning at the WORDS feet. We are privileged to live in the age where the scripture is mostly free and can be readily accessed.

Let the scales of your disbelief fall from your spiritual eyes! Be ready to lay aside the WEIGHT and every SIN THAT BESETS YOU and keeps you under darkness.

IT doesn't hurt.
There is no pain only gain.
Accept or reject all that God has for you.

Let go of your fear and let Faith bloom like a mustard seed!
 

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http://storage.cloversites.com/crossroadscommunitychurch9/documents/OUTLINE for Getting Free of Religious, Jezebel Python.pdf

The above link will define in a somewhat false way what these so - called spirits you have cited are and how to be delivered from them.

What you will read in the eight pages is a perfect explanation of what ensues when some brethren set themselves up in a prophetic guise and start instructing entire churches or even cities - as the pdf is ambitious to do.

From the pdf:

The Leviathan/Python Spirit seeks to KILL the life of the Spirit.
Its purpose is to SQUEEZE the life of Christ out of us.
It is usually attached to a Religious or Jezebel Spirit but goes further than just RESISTING the Holy Spirit or CONTROLLING it. It seeks to KILL it!


If you believe that the Holy Spirit is an IT then go right ahead and read it. If not brother then best to resist poking fun at the monetary ambitions of some - and YET this delightful document of deliverance is entirely free.

Can you really imagine how one could kill the Holy Spirit?
Leviathan is not a snake. LOL


INTRO
STUDY
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Job 41
Easy-to-Read Version
41 “Can you catch Leviathan[a] with a fishhook?
Can you tie his tongue with a rope?
2 Can you put a rope through his nose
or a hook through his jaw?
3 Will he beg you to let him go free?
Will he speak to you with gentle words?
4 Will he make an agreement with you
and promise to serve you forever?
5 Will you play with Leviathan as you would play with a bird?
Will you put a rope on him so that your girls can play with him?
6 Will fishermen try to buy him from you?
Will they cut him into pieces and sell him to the merchants?
7 Can you throw spears into his skin or head?

8 “If you ever lay a hand on Leviathan, you will never do it again!
Just think about the battle that would be!
9 Do you think you can defeat him?
Well, forget it! There is no hope.
Just looking at him will scare you!
10 No one is brave enough to wake him up
and make him angry.

“Well, no one can challenge me either!
11 I owe nothing to anyone.
Everything under heaven belongs to me.[c]

12 “I will tell you about Leviathan’s legs,
his strength, and his graceful shape.
13 No one can pierce his skin.
It is like armor![d]
14 No one can force him to open his jaws.
The teeth in his mouth scare people.
15 His back has rows of shields
tightly sealed together.
16 They are so close to each other
that no air can pass between them.
17 The shields are joined to each other.
They hold together so tightly that they cannot be pulled apart.
18 When Leviathan sneezes, it is like lightning flashing out.
His eyes shine like the light of dawn.
19 Burning torches come from his mouth.
Sparks of fire shoot out.
20 Smoke pours from his nose
like burning weeds under a boiling pot.
21 His breath sets coals on fire,
and flames shoot from his mouth.
22 His neck is very powerful.
People are afraid and run away from him.
23 There is no soft spot in his skin.
It is as hard as iron.
24 His heart is like a rock; he has no fear.
It is as hard as a millstone.
25 When he gets up, even the strongest people[e] are afraid.
They run away when he swings his tail.
26 Swords, spears, and darts only bounce off when they hit him.
These weapons don’t hurt him at all!
27 He breaks iron as easily as straw.
He breaks bronze like rotten wood.
28 Arrows don’t make him run away.
Rocks thrown at him seem as light as chaff.
29 When a wood club hits him, it feels to him like a piece of straw.
He laughs when anyone throws a spear at him.
30 The skin on his belly is like sharp pieces of broken pottery.
He leaves tracks in the mud like a threshing board.
31 He stirs up the water like a boiling pot.
He makes it bubble like a pot of boiling oil.
32 When he swims, he leaves a sparkling path behind him.
He stirs up the water and makes it white with foam.
33 No animal on earth is like him.
He is an animal made without fear.
34 He looks down on the proudest of creatures.
He is king over all the wild animals.”
 
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Yes, but this is not the point. Some believe or suggestvthat speaking in tongues is for all who search it.
And this is not biblical teaching.
I have never met a single person who has every Gift of the Holy Spirit. Generally, we have a couple and some have 3 or 4. I have met a few who claimed to have them all. But I looked at em and said, LYING, [is not] a Gift of the Holy Spirit and walked away.