The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.
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1. Firstly the wrath of Satan has nothing to compare with the wrath of God. God could snuff out this vile creature in a nanosecond if He chose to do so.
2. Secondly both the wrath of Satan and the wrath of God work at one and the same time -- Satan against the Tribulation saints and God against the evildoers and the wicked.
3. The Church is absent from the earth throughout the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation. Hence no mention of the Church or churches. However people will be hearing the Gospel even during that time, and there will be a group of Tribulation saints who will be martyred by the Antichrist.
2. Secondly both the wrath of Satan and the wrath of God work at one and the same time -- Satan against the Tribulation saints and God against the evildoers and the wicked.
3. The Church is absent from the earth throughout the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation. Hence no mention of the Church or churches. However people will be hearing the Gospel even during that time, and there will be a group of Tribulation saints who will be martyred by the Antichrist.
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Gt is war between holy people and ac and you think God wrath?
Rev 13
7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe,
1. How the beast make a war again holy people if they all rapture
2. B war to holy people and conquer/ jailed or kill them, and you say it is God wrath?
It is Satan wrath
Rev 13
10 “If anyone is to go into captivity,into captivity they will go.
If anyone is to be killed[c] with the sword,
with the sword they will be killed.”[d]
You say this gt in verse 10 wrath of God or wrath of satan
Rev 13
7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe,
1. How the beast make a war again holy people if they all rapture
2. B war to holy people and conquer/ jailed or kill them, and you say it is God wrath?
It is Satan wrath
Rev 13
10 “If anyone is to go into captivity,into captivity they will go.
If anyone is to be killed[c] with the sword,
with the sword they will be killed.”[d]
You say this gt in verse 10 wrath of God or wrath of satan
Of course you are right! But the book of Revelation is for all believers in the NT. As the entire NT reveals, the writers really thought Jesus was coming back as King in their lifetimes.
But, as Peter eloquently stated, 1,000 years is as a day and a day is as a 1,000 years to the Lord. So when He said "I am coming soon", rather than a "few days" as we might assume, He could have easily meant within 2 millennia. That's where we are today.
But, as Peter eloquently stated, 1,000 years is as a day and a day is as a 1,000 years to the Lord. So when He said "I am coming soon", rather than a "few days" as we might assume, He could have easily meant within 2 millennia. That's where we are today.
No, Rev 19 refutes that idea soundly. We find the bride GETTING READY for the wedding banquet, and then immediately accompanying King Jesus to earth to end the Tribulation and setting up His kingdom.
It is totally appropriate for the King to have His wedding banquet IN His earthly kingdom. Why should He purposely leave out the martyrs from the Trib? Why would He do that? It sure doesn't make sense.
It is totally appropriate for the King to have His wedding banquet IN His earthly kingdom. Why should He purposely leave out the martyrs from the Trib? Why would He do that? It sure doesn't make sense.
Is that made up for the Pre Trib Apostasy? tribulation saints? I don't recall God ever writing about them. What does He call them?
The Church is absent from heaven and still on the earth for the tribulation because GOD NEVER TELLS US IT ISN'T. If someone anyone would address this ONE ISSUE all the rest would go away like smoke does.
Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Revelation 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
Revelation 7:11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
Revelation 7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
Revelation 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
THIS GREAT MULTITUDE, WHICH NO MAN COULD NUMBER, CORRECT?
"That the trial of your faith BEING..." refers to "in the here and now" (we are not WAITING for the future, specific, LIMITED time-period IN ORDER to EXPERIENCE IT. No.)
"When Christ who is your life appears, then you also will appear with [G4862 - UNIONed-with] Him in glory" Col3:4
We are "KEPT" (this ^ is saying) "in the here and now"... but consider the following verse...
...which is another [distinct] thing that is also by God's power (regarding us):
"And by His power God has both raised up [G1453 - that is, raised from the dead] the Lord, and will raise us out. " 1Cor6:14,[3] [a different verb from that of G1453; and to / for a particular "purpose" (yet future to "the here and now")]
This is a matter of grasping the "chronology" issues (for one thing)...
"When Christ who is your life appears, then you also will appear with [G4862 - UNIONed-with] Him in glory" Col3:4
We are "KEPT" (this ^ is saying) "in the here and now"... but consider the following verse...
...which is another [distinct] thing that is also by God's power (regarding us):
"And by His power God has both raised up [G1453 - that is, raised from the dead] the Lord, and will raise us out. " 1Cor6:14,[3] [a different verb from that of G1453; and to / for a particular "purpose" (yet future to "the here and now")]
This is a matter of grasping the "chronology" issues (for one thing)...
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Correct.
People who come to faith in Christ FOLLOWING "our Rapture" (when they are IN / EXPERIENCING / EXISTING during the TRIB years); coming to faith in Christ as a result of their hearing and heeding the specific message that WILL BE BEING "preached" IN AND DURING those years: Matthew24:14 / 26:13
[In Revelation 7 context, these "A GREAT MULTITUDE" (which cannot be numbered, of ALL the "nations [PLURAL]") are set in contradistinction to "the 144,000"(of ONE "nation")]
People who come to faith in Christ FOLLOWING "our Rapture" (when they are IN / EXPERIENCING / EXISTING during the TRIB years); coming to faith in Christ as a result of their hearing and heeding the specific message that WILL BE BEING "preached" IN AND DURING those years: Matthew24:14 / 26:13
[In Revelation 7 context, these "A GREAT MULTITUDE" (which cannot be numbered, of ALL the "nations [PLURAL]") are set in contradistinction to "the 144,000"(of ONE "nation")]
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Would this be when you die?
Colossians 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with Him in glory.
Colossians 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with Him in glory.
"and SO [/IN THIS MANNER] shall WE ever be WITH [UNIONed-WITH] the Lord"... in what manner? By means of the "SNATCH [G726]" (which involves our "GLORIFIED BODIES"... including the BODIES of "the DEAD IN Christ" who will be "RESURRECTED ['to stand again' (on the earth--in BODIES)]" FIRST, and "CHANGED [IN A MOMENT, in the TWINKLING OF AN EYE]" (along with us "still-living" ones) just prior TO that "SNATCH [G726, CAUGHT UP] TOGETHER [with them]" thing... "and SO shall WE ever be WITH [UNIONed-WITH] the Lord."
[presently, "the DEAD IN Christ" are "at home with the Lord" while being "ABSENT FROM the body" (2Cor5 refers to this specifically as "UNCLOTHED")... but being "ABSENT FROM the body" will CHANGE when the thing about "the DEAD IN Christ SHALL RISE [be resurrected ('to stand again')] FIRST, before we're "CAUGHT UP TOGETHER [at the same time as them]" (provided we're "still ALIVE" at the time being referenced--it's possible we could be among "the DEAD IN Christ" component, if we DIE before the time being referenced =D )]
[presently, "the DEAD IN Christ" are "at home with the Lord" while being "ABSENT FROM the body" (2Cor5 refers to this specifically as "UNCLOTHED")... but being "ABSENT FROM the body" will CHANGE when the thing about "the DEAD IN Christ SHALL RISE [be resurrected ('to stand again')] FIRST, before we're "CAUGHT UP TOGETHER [at the same time as them]" (provided we're "still ALIVE" at the time being referenced--it's possible we could be among "the DEAD IN Christ" component, if we DIE before the time being referenced =D )]
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No. You are not yet glorified when you die. Although your spirit rests in Christ's presence.
Final complete glorification only occurs at the resurrection of the body.....which itself occurs at the rapture event....EXCLUSIVELY. A once and forever event for the Church. The initial act of salvation itself always brings the believer all the way to glorification.
In other words it's impossible to be first of all saved and then NOT glorified.
2Cor 5, Rom 8, 1Cor 15, both books of Thessalonians etc. etc. The rapture of the Church is entirely consistent throughout the New Testament.
Final complete glorification only occurs at the resurrection of the body.....which itself occurs at the rapture event....EXCLUSIVELY. A once and forever event for the Church. The initial act of salvation itself always brings the believer all the way to glorification.
In other words it's impossible to be first of all saved and then NOT glorified.
2Cor 5, Rom 8, 1Cor 15, both books of Thessalonians etc. etc. The rapture of the Church is entirely consistent throughout the New Testament.
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