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Exodus 2:1 - 10
And there went a man of the house of Levi, and took to wife a daughter of Levi. .,.,.,.,. And she had compassion on him, and said, This is one of the Hebrews' children. .,.,.,.,,., And she called his name Moses: and she said, Because I drew him out of the water.
Exodus speaks for itself. Then we have this-----
And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out to his brothers, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brothers. And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand. And when he went out the second day, behold, two men of the Hebrews strove together: and he said to him that did the wrong, Why smite you your fellow?
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The Jewish family tree
I begin this essay with Joseph because this is where it all began.

.Here is the linage from Noah to Rachel to Joseph
(Gen 5:28 KJV) And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
(Gen 5:29 KJV) And he called his name Noah
(Gen 5:32 KJV) And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem
(Gen 10:21 KJV) Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Eber
(Gen 10:25 KJV) And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg;
(Gen 11:18 KJV) And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu:
(Gen 11:20 KJV) And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug:
(Gen 11:22 KJV) And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor:
(Gen 22:20 KJV) And it came to pass after these things, that it was told Abraham, saying, Behold, Milcah, she hath also born children unto thy brother Nahor;
(Gen 22:21 KJV) Huz his firstborn, and Buz his brother, and Kemuel the father of Aram,
(Gen 22:22 KJV) And Chesed, and Hazo, and Pildash, and Jidlaph, and Bethuel.
(Gen 22:23 KJV) And Bethuel begat Rebekah
(Gen 24:29 KJV) And Rebekah had a brother, and his name was Laban.
(Gen 29:16 KJV) And Laban had two daughters.,.and the name of the younger was Rachel
(Gen 30:25 KJV) And it came to pass, when Rachel had born Joseph.
In the Book of Exodus, Amram is the husband of Jochebed and father of Aaron, Moses and Miriam.
According to the Torah, the tribe is named after Levi, one of the twelve sons of Jacob (also called Israel). Levi had three sons: Gershon, Kohath, and Merari (Genesis 46:11). Kohath's son Amram was the father of Miriam, Aaron and Moses.
 

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It is also possible that Adoniah, or Tharbis, a princess of Ethiopia, was Moses' first wife. Her name is mentioned in the book of Jasher.




What is the book of Jasher?
Is it like Josephus ' book of history?
 
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What is the book of Jasher?
Is it like Josephus ' book of history?
I think it's a book of history. It's not inspired like the bible, but it explains a few things. But according to this, he married his Cushite bride before Zipporah.

It has this to say in Jasher 73:30-33
So Moses took the city by his wisdom, and the children of Cush placed him on the throne instead of Kikianus king of Cush.
And they placed the royal crown upon his head, and they gave him for a wife Adoniah the Cushite queen, wife of Kikianus.
And Moses feared the Lord God of his fathers, so that he came not to her, nor did he turn his eyes to her.
For Moses remembered how Abraham had made his servant Eliezer swear, saying unto him, Thou shalt not take a woman from the daughters of Canaan for my son Isaac.

It has this to say about Zipporah - Jasher 78:7-8
In those days Moses, the son of Amram, in Midian, took Zipporah, the daughter of Reuel the Midianite, for a wife. And Zipporah walked in the ways of the daughters of Jacob, she was nothing short of the righteousness of Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel and Leah.
 

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I think it's a book of history. It's not inspired like the bible, but it explains a few things. But according to this, he married his Cushite bride before Zipporah.

It has this to say in Jasher 73:30-33
So Moses took the city by his wisdom, and the children of Cush placed him on the throne instead of Kikianus king of Cush.
And they placed the royal crown upon his head, and they gave him for a wife Adoniah the Cushite queen, wife of Kikianus.
And Moses feared the Lord God of his fathers, so that he came not to her, nor did he turn his eyes to her.
For Moses remembered how Abraham had made his servant Eliezer swear, saying unto him, Thou shalt not take a woman from the daughters of Canaan for my son Isaac.

It has this to say about Zipporah - Jasher 78:7-8
In those days Moses, the son of Amram, in Midian, took Zipporah, the daughter of Reuel the Midianite, for a wife. And Zipporah walked in the ways of the daughters of Jacob, she was nothing short of the righteousness of Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel and Leah.







Ok. Thank you.
 

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NOTE: Prior to the above “Land of Israel” did not exists, Israel was a person, not a place
I Samuel 13:19
Now there was no smith found throughout all the land of Israel: for the Philistines said, Lest the Hebrews make them swords or spears:
 

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I think it's a book of history. It's not inspired like the bible, but it explains a few things. But according to this, he married his Cushite bride before Zipporah.

It has this to say in Jasher 73:30-33
So Moses took the city by his wisdom, and the children of Cush placed him on the throne instead of Kikianus king of Cush.
And they placed the royal crown upon his head, and they gave him for a wife Adoniah the Cushite queen, wife of Kikianus.
And Moses feared the Lord God of his fathers, so that he came not to her, nor did he turn his eyes to her.
For Moses remembered how Abraham had made his servant Eliezer swear, saying unto him, Thou shalt not take a woman from the daughters of Canaan for my son Isaac.

It has this to say about Zipporah - Jasher 78:7-8
In those days Moses, the son of Amram, in Midian, took Zipporah, the daughter of Reuel the Midianite, for a wife. And Zipporah walked in the ways of the daughters of Jacob, she was nothing short of the righteousness of Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel and Leah.
We don't know that this is the real book of Jasher. I see some problems with this.

1. A Cushite is not a Canaanite. Cushites were not listed among the seven nations with whom it was forbidden to Israelites to intermarry.
2. Moses was already married to a Midianite. Maybe these were Abrahamic folk, but they weren't Israelites.
3. If Moses took the city, why would he be so wimpy or vulnerable as to follow a custom to take another man's wife.
4. If he took the city, why would the king still be alive.
5. If he took the city, why would a nonvirgin potential bride still be left alive?
 
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We don't know that this is the real book
With no disrespect I have to say your provided English translations. The translator may have misinterpreted the words. Having said that, you and I are free to believe what we choose to believe.
BTW: I do not have a problem with Israelites, my disgust is with the Israeli government using its snipper teams to assassinate Palestinian children.
 

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Some people say that Americans fear the Islamic world because of 9 / 11.
I said you weren't afraid of the Islamic world,You just don't understand the Islamic world.The English version of the Koran you read is what people want you to read, and many meanings are lost under the translation.
No one really understands the Koran,Unless first understand why the Bible make a difference between Jews and Christians.

Why not try to bring Muslims back to the words of the Bible,Don't you know that Muslims also recognize the Old Testament and the gospel?

The Koran is not written for Muslims, but for Jews who do not believe in Jesus,It tried to make Jews believe in Jesus, but it seems that this action failed.

The above is just my personal point of view. If there are similarities, it is pure coincidence.
 

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Some people say that Americans fear the Islamic world because of 9 / 11.
I said you weren't afraid of the Islamic world,You just don't understand the Islamic world.The English version of the Koran you read is what people want you to read, and many meanings are lost under the translation.
No one really understands the Koran,Unless first understand why the Bible make a difference between Jews and Christians.

Why not try to bring Muslims back to the words of the Bible,Don't you know that Muslims also recognize the Old Testament and the gospel?

The Koran is not written for Muslims, but for Jews who do not believe in Jesus,It tried to make Jews believe in Jesus, but it seems that this action failed.

The above is just my personal point of view. If there are similarities, it is pure coincidence.
If i recall correctly, the Koran says that other religious writings were correct at their time, but that the Koran is the right one now and forever more. There would be no changes after the Koran. I thought that was silly since if the Bible is correct, then the Koran couldn't be correct.
 

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If i recall correctly, the Koran says that other religious writings were correct at their time, but that the Koran is the right one now and forever more. There would be no changes after the Koran. I thought that was silly since if the Bible is correct, then the Koran couldn't be correct.
But it's been a long time since I've read it.
 

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If i recall correctly, the Koran says that other religious writings were correct at their time, but that the Koran is the right one now and forever more. There would be no changes after the Koran. I thought that was silly since if the Bible is correct, then the Koran couldn't be correct.
Who really knows?
If you have to pick a bone in an egg, it's not impossible.
But the Koran says that both Jews and Christians read the word of God,What it meant was that the Jews would eventually recognize Christians and believe in Jesus.This is correct.

But many people say that the God in the Koran has no son,That doesn't sound correct.

But I remember reading the Koran and saying that God has children..........


I don't know if it's my memory problem or if people just say what's in their interests
 

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With no disrespect I have to say your provided English translations. The translator may have misinterpreted the words. Having said that, you and I are free to believe what we choose to believe.
BTW: I do not have a problem with Israelites, my disgust is with the Israeli government using its snipper teams to assassinate Palestinian children.
A friend of mine lived in Israel. The western media showed Israeli soldiers shooting Palestinian teenager. Israeli media shows a pictures of the teenagers behind a wall holding automatic weapons.
 

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Hold not shoot........
 

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Huh? You think no Palestinian teenager would ever fire an automatic rifle? Just hold it for the camera?
In my opinion, if Palestinian teenager in these Palestinian areas do not shoot first, there is no reason for anyone to shoot them faster than the first shoot.
They could hold guns as soldiers of Israel.
 
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A friend of mine lived in Israel. The western media showed Israeli soldiers shooting Palestinian teenager. Israeli media shows a pictures of the teenagers behind a wall holding automatic weapons.
My bet is the children were murdered right after the picture was taken.
But you do not have to believe me, check out this Google search---
When I did this search I got About 796,000 results (0.39 seconds)
https://tinyurl.com/renncuzu