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The idea that Nero represents the Beast/AC in 70 A.D. is comical at best when you take Revelation 17:12 into full meaning.


I enjoy Revelation 17:12 because these 10 horns won't be fulfilled until the Beast rules.

And proves this is still to be accepted as future prophecy to be fulfilled.

12 And the ten horns which you saw are ten kings, who have received no kingdom as yet, but receive authority as kings at the same time with the beast.
Does the following sound like current day Israel has anything to do with eschatology?


John 4:20-24
Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.


21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Rabbis had a problem after 70 A.D., JESUS left them without a way to Atone. They had to cobble something together that sounded like a religion. JESUS is obviously the High Priest now, but they refuse Him. They wanted a physical beast king and to rule the planet …well, sorry, that’s not how this works.

Jeremiah 31:31-34
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

“I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.”

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Did satan have something to do with what rabbis did to twist the truth of Judaism?
 
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FYI, my last post isn't an excuse to harm people that call themselves "Jews". That isn't the Christian way. If you want to send them money, that's fine ...just don't think they have anything to do with the end of this test. It wouldn't be smart to try and fund a physical Temple as you would be declaring JESUS didn't do anything ...if you do.
 
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i didn't write this answer:
https://www.quora.com/Did-God-chang...e&__sncid__=23551439927&__snid3__=32279026842

Did GOD change who His people are by writing His law to their hearts (Jeremiah 31:31-34)? Is there a way to uphold our end of the Old Covenant without a high priest?


Mankind, tied to death, will die….

God raises us from death to new life… Jesus told Nicodemus about this. He called it being ‘born from above’. Jesus alluded to the prophetic message given to Ezekiel (36:25-27)

I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.
So, new life means new people…

The Old Covenant protected Israel from death through

  1. cleansing the defilement brought about by their inherent sinfulness
  2. covering (making atonement for) their guilt and
  3. protecting them from further sin.
The High Priest was instrumental in this process.

  • He presented substitutionary sacrifices to the LORD on behalf of individuals, releasing them from the penalty of their sin.
  • He represented the sin of the whole nation to God, carrying their guilt. He ritualistically transferred it annually onto a scapegoat — who symbolically took it all away, going into the wilderness to perish.
No one’s personal righteousness was enough to make them exempt from this process.
 

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i didn't write this answer:
https://www.quora.com/Did-God-chang...e&__sncid__=23551439927&__snid3__=32279026842

Did GOD change who His people are by writing His law to their hearts (Jeremiah 31:31-34)? Is there a way to uphold our end of the Old Covenant without a high priest?


Mankind, tied to death, will die….

God raises us from death to new life… Jesus told Nicodemus about this. He called it being ‘born from above’. Jesus alluded to the prophetic message given to Ezekiel (36:25-27)

I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.
So, new life means new people…

The Old Covenant protected Israel from death through

  1. cleansing the defilement brought about by their inherent sinfulness
  2. covering (making atonement for) their guilt and
  3. protecting them from further sin.
The High Priest was instrumental in this process.

  • He presented substitutionary sacrifices to the LORD on behalf of individuals, releasing them from the penalty of their sin.
  • He represented the sin of the whole nation to God, carrying their guilt. He ritualistically transferred it annually onto a scapegoat — who symbolically took it all away, going into the wilderness to perish.
No one’s personal righteousness was enough to make them exempt from this process.
There is now a high priest in Christ. We are told in prophecy that Israel will, sometime in the future. recognize the high priest.
 
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There is now a high priest in Christ. We are told in prophecy that Israel will, sometime in the future. recognize the high priest.
What are you talking about? This entire thread is showing you that Premillennialism isn't right.

How are they real Jews to begin with?

Do "Jews" pretend their entire religion wasn't revamped after 70 A.D. to avoid JESUS being The High Priest?
 
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If there isn't a difference between Jew and Gentile anymore, why are their people that insist they are "Jews" when it's impossible to be one after 70 A.D.?

Did JESUS purposely leave rabbis without a way to have a High Priest or a Temple on the correct land after 70 A.D.? Would they rather use their man-made rule changes than face what GOD is telling them?

Did JESUS tell us the hour was coming when Jerusalem wouldn't be where we worship The Father (John 4:20-24)? Does this ruin Premillennialism?
 
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What are you talking about? This entire thread is showing you that Premillennialism isn't right.

How are they real Jews to begin with?

Do "Jews" pretend their entire religion wasn't revamped after 70 A.D. to avoid JESUS being The High Priest?
You need to reread what you know about Israel. Only Jerusalem was destroyed and only about 1 million Jews were killed. There was a scattering, but the vast majority of Jews outside of Jerusalem never left and remained. I am Sephardim Jew from my father's side and we can trace our ancestry well before 70 A.D. and after 70 A.D.

You really have NO CLUE!!
 
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You need to reread what you know about Israel. Only Jerusalem was destroyed and only about 1 million Jews were killed. There was a scattering, but the vast majority of Jews outside of Jerusalem never left and remained. I am Sephardim Jew from my father's side and we can trace our ancestry well before 70 A.D. and after 70 A.D.

You really have NO CLUE!!
Yeah, there were other Jews outside The City ...you somehow skipped the three questions after that post.
 

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Does the following sound like current day Israel has anything to do with eschatology?




Rabbis had a problem after 70 A.D., JESUS left them without a way to Atone. They had to cobble something together that sounded like a religion. JESUS is obviously the High Priest now, but they refuse Him. They wanted a physical beast king and to rule the planet …well, sorry, that’s not how this works.

Jeremiah 31:31-34
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:


32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

“I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.”

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Did satan have something to do with what rabbis did to twist the truth of Judaism?
Amen people have a hard time accepting the terms of the old covenant

“And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant: I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.

I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate. And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.

And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours. And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it. And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭26:15-16, 22, 25, 31-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

They broke the covenant and brought forth the curse

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the messiah would come last of all to call Israel to repentance but as that prophecy tells us they would break the covenant

If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭2:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they had a last chance to save their covenant blessing but they curses themselves instead and brought the promosed desolation

“Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭4:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


but they did this and caused the abomination of desolation executed 67-70 ad first they beheaded John and then killed Jesus thier savior

“Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.

But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours. And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard. What shall therefore the Lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭12:6-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s how Israel’s covenant came to a conclusion they fulfilled the curse rather than blessing and why we needed a new one not related to the old

“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The old covenant many can’t see it’s based completely on israels response one way or another blessing if they kept the covenant completely and cursing if they didn’t keep it all they didn’t they defiled it completely and fulfilled the curse for doing so written in it

it’s strange we can’t see this part written again and again in the ot

“And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth;

…For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we saw that part we could immediately understand that israels restoration doesn’t take place on this earth it takes place in the new creation of Christ
 
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Amen people have a hard time accepting the terms of the old covenant

“And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant: I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.

I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate. And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.

And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours. And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it. And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭26:15-16, 22, 25, 31-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

They broke the covenant and brought forth the curse

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the messiah would come last of all to call Israel to repentance but as that prophecy tells us they would break the covenant

If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭2:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they had a last chance to save their covenant blessing but they curses themselves instead and brought the promosed desolation

“Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭4:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


but they did this and caused the abomination of desolation executed 67-70 ad first they beheaded John and then killed Jesus thier savior

“Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.

But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours. And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard. What shall therefore the Lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭12:6-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s how Israel’s covenant came to a conclusion they fulfilled the curse rather than blessing and why we needed a new one not related to the old

“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The old covenant many can’t see it’s based completely on israels response one way or another blessing if they kept the covenant completely and cursing if they didn’t keep it all they didn’t they defiled it completely and fulfilled the curse for doing so written in it

it’s strange we can’t see this part written again and again in the ot

“And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth;

…For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we saw that part we could immediately understand that israels restoration doesn’t take place on this earth it takes place in the new creation of Christ
Wow, i hope you don't mind, i'm using this as an answer on quora.com

https://thekingdomisnow.quora.com/D...t-land-after-70-A-D-Woul-1?prompt_topic_bio=1
 
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Calling yourself a "Jew" doesn't mean anything anymore. There is no more sea. There is no more distinction.

Revelation 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Galatians 3:28-29
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Ephesians 2:14-18
Eph 2:14
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17
And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
 
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It's about New Jerusalem now, The Kingdom of The Body of CHRIST.

Revelation 21:2
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Galatians 4:26
But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Hebrew 11:16
But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Hebrews 12:22-23
But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

You want It to come out of the clouds, well, GOD Made it:

Hebrews 11:10
For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.


The bride is Married to The Body of CHRIST:

Ephesians 5:25
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
 

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What are you talking about? This entire thread is showing you that Premillennialism isn't right.

How are they real Jews to begin with?

Do "Jews" pretend their entire religion wasn't revamped after 70 A.D. to avoid JESUS being The High Priest?
What you think, and what I think has nothing to do with the facts. The Jews can't pronounce themselves Jews or not Jews, God does that. We can only sit back and watch what God does and try to make sense of it.

Even in Jesus time the Jews decided they could designate who the high priest was and they ignored that God chose those in the Levi line. Christ is the high priest of the Jews and of you and me. Nothing any human has to say about it can change it, we either accept the fact or deny the fact. The Jews deny it, but prophecy tells us they will someday accept it.
 
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What you think, and what I think has nothing to do with the facts. The Jews can't pronounce themselves Jews or not Jews, God does that. We can only sit back and watch what God does and try to make sense of it.

Even in Jesus time the Jews decided they could designate who the high priest was and they ignored that God chose those in the Levi line. Christ is the high priest of the Jews and of you and me. Nothing any human has to say about it can change it, we either accept the fact or deny the fact. The Jews deny it, but prophecy tells us they will someday accept it.
You can't unblind a Jew that wasn't a real Jew to begin with. ...You can wake anyone today by being Reborn and Elected.

Yeah, they started playing lots (games) for who would be the High Priest ...70 A.D. happened for a reason.


The Remnant was 2,000 years ago.

"blindness in part " means part of the Jews of the day.

All Israel being saved is us ...that are in The Body of CHRIST. JESUS is ISRAEL.

Premills have a big ...big problem if this is saying JESUS is Israel:

Isaiah 49:3
And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

See the surrounding Scripture to understand that It is.
 
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What you think, and what I think has nothing to do with the facts. The Jews can't pronounce themselves Jews or not Jews, God does that. We can only sit back and watch what God does and try to make sense of it.

Even in Jesus time the Jews decided they could designate who the high priest was and they ignored that God chose those in the Levi line. Christ is the high priest of the Jews and of you and me. Nothing any human has to say about it can change it, we either accept the fact or deny the fact. The Jews deny it, but prophecy tells us they will someday accept it.
Please scroll up to this this comment before yours #113 https://christianchat.com/threads/ot-kingdom-to-the-nt-kingdom.203891/post-4767065

You let Pharisees tell you what constitutes what a "Jew" is. Pretty sure GOD already set those requirements and no one today qualifies.
 
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Who cares about other questions when the original thought is wrong.
i get it, you have guarded yourself, you like your view ...it lets you sin ..it doesn't end well though.

Premillennialism is thinking JESUS is going to Reign with a Rod of Iron …physically on earth for a thousand years …from Jerusalem. Premills want a beast king just like Jews wanted. They think some physical mark of the beast has to happen and for Jews to build a Temple on land they don’t even own. To top it off they hand The Covenant from Daniel’s 70 Weeks to the antichrist …sacrilegious.

They want some 1000 years where we have direct evidence of a physical GOD making Faith for SALVATION impossible.
 

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who led you wrong and WHY would you want to perpetrate the same lie to others?

Do you not test spiritual against spiritual or divide the word correctly to see if what you are taught is right.


Be a berean, a critical thinker,question,question and question until THE HOLY SPIRIT says you've got it right!

Study,make it personal,for it is your soul that hangs in the balance!
 
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Premillennialism is an elaborate excuse to avoid being a Citizen of The Kingdom today ...to be a Child of GOD ...to have a welcoming Temple for GOD'S Presence to be in. What do think that Oil was about with the Parable of the Ten Virgins?