Justification by faith

[Atpilot]

Luk 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abijah. His wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth.
Luk 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

 

[Atpilot]

Doing works of righteousness which come from God makes one righteous. But, we can't invent our own works of righteousness.
Rom 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved.
Rom 10:2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.
Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.
Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

 

[brightfame52]

1Jn_3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.

Did you understand post 18 ?

 

[Atpilot]

Never sure what people post not being a mind reader. Wish I was. But Righteousness can only come when a person obeys the commands of God. If everyone was righteous, justified simply because Jesus was crucified the that would be universal salvation. And, I surely don't buy into that. Thanks.

 

[brightfame52]

atpilot

But Righteousness can only come when a person obeys the commands of God.

Thats false. Those who Christ obeyed for are by His obedience of one made righteous Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What is the point of being " in Christ" if His righteousness is not imputed to us. We are "clothed" with His righteousness and therefore have a right standing before the Father. The purpose of this is relational. We are reconciled to God.

believing the gospel is what imparts christs righteousness he teaches it to believers who believe the gospel of the kingdom so it becomes imprinted on their faith inside them and reshapes thier conscience

If we believe the things Jesus taught rather than what we thought before

“And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

When your saying “ clothed with Christ it’s talking about his doctrine

“And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:10, 12-14‬ ‭

it’s a reference to changing our garments of sin to garments of righteousness through our minds being renewed hearing and believing the gospel Jesus preached. The things he taught us to believe changes what we are inside our minds and hearts which changes our actions

this is a change of garments all because we believe and trust in Jesus and the gospel.

it isn’t just a phrase but is referring to the same principle as bekng born again it’s a “change of the person “ inside first and then later outside so the root first is repaired and later the fruits become healthy

whatever we believe is imparted into our heart and mind it’s why believing the gospel is salvation it has the power to change a sinners mind and heart to a child of Gods mind and heart and that’s what drives mankind’s deeds

 

[Atpilot]

atpilot



Thats false. Those who Christ obeyed for are by His obedience of one made righteous Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

So no one ever has to obey even one command of God? Nothing, never, ever? We can tell God to take a hike?

 

[Atpilot]

1Jn_3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
So I should get my sharpie and mark this verse out of my bible?
How about this one? 1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. Or this one..Joh 14:15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments. Or even..
Heb 5:8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered.
Heb 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,
I may need a full box of Sharpies.

 

[Atpilot]

There's nothing I can do to help anyone who rejects the clear word of God. Maybe some day you will wake up and believe Jesus himself when he said "why do you call me Lord, Lord and don't do what I say"?

 

[brightfame52]

Gal 3:24

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified*by*faith.

Now what is it to be Justified by Faith? It's one or two things #1 Its to be Justified by His Faith/Faithfulness, meaning Jesus Christ, its the Faith of Jesus Christ. #2 It's when that Justification by Christ is declared or pronounced in the conscience of the already Justified.

It's never meaning that faith is a condition we must act in order to get Justified before God, cause that overthrows Justification before God based solely upon the Person and Work of Jesus Christ , what He did for the Justified. Then it becomes justification by our works, a false gospel! 1

 

[Atpilot]

Gal 3:24

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified*by*faith.

Now what is it to be Justified by Faith? It's one or two things #1 Its to be Justified by His Faith/Faithfulness, meaning Jesus Christ, its the Faith of Jesus Christ. #2 It's when that Justification by Christ is declared or pronounced in the conscience of the already Justified.

It's never meaning that faith is a condition we must act in order to get Justified before God, cause that overthrows Justification before God based solely upon the Person and Work of Jesus Christ , what He did for the Justified. Then it becomes justification by our works, a false gospel! 1

Thanks for your comments. Please watch this clip and then tell me which commands of The Lord can we reject, refuse to obey and still expect to be saved. Works Of Men VS The Works Of God - YouTube
You need to know that the word faith is a noun, believe is a verb. Please read John 12:42 and tell me these priests were saved. Please read Luke 7:29, 30 and tell me those who refused to obey the Gospel were saved. Faith is WHAT we believe. It does NOT mean to believe.
You have been misled by the reformers who totally reject the requirement God gave all men to obey his commands. Rom 1:5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name. Was Paul teaching error when he wrote this? Eph 4:4 says there is only ONE faith that saves us.
Good luck.

 

[brightfame52]

Thanks for your comments. Please watch this clip and then tell me which commands of The Lord can we reject, refuse to obey and still expect to be saved. Works Of Men VS The Works Of God - YouTube
You need to know that the word faith is a noun, believe is a verb. Please read John 12:42 and tell me these priests were saved. Please read Luke 7:29, 30 and tell me those who refused to obey the Gospel were saved. Faith is WHAT we believe. It does NOT mean to believe.
You have been misled by the reformers who totally reject the requirement God gave all men to obey his commands. Rom 1:5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name. Was Paul teaching error when he wrote this? Eph 4:4 says there is only ONE faith that saves us.
Good luck.

Im good ! The post stands as I stated.

 

[Atpilot]

Im good ! The post stands as I stated.

But, you didn't answer my question. Which commands of God can we reject and still be saved?

 

[brightfame52]

But, you didn't answer my question. Which commands of God can we reject and still be saved?

I dont know what you talking about. Read post 30 again with understanding.

 

[Atpilot]

I dont know what you talking about. Read post 30 again with understanding.

You say we are saved by "faith". What does that mean? What faith. You seem to be saying we are not under any obligation to obey the commands of God. Jesus stated clearly "if you love me keep my commands". Jesus said "he that believes and is baptized shall be saved". Are these empty statement? Jesus said "except you repent you shall all likewise perish". Was he just talking thru is hat? Jesus said if you don't confess me I will deny you. Was he not telling the truth? Those are things to do, DO!

 

[brightfame52]

You say we are saved by "faith". What does that mean? What faith. You seem to be saying we are not under any obligation to obey the commands of God. Jesus stated clearly "if you love me keep my commands". Jesus said "he that believes and is baptized shall be saved". Are these empty statement? Jesus said "except you repent you shall all likewise perish". Was he just talking thru is hat? Jesus said if you don't confess me I will deny you. Was he not telling the truth? Those are things to do, DO!

If you want to know what I am saying then read what I stated, its that simple !

 

[Atpilot]

If you want to know what I am saying then read what I stated, its that simple !

Yes, I know exactly what you wrote. Let me try one more time. The new testament was not written in English, and it wasn't written yesterday. You can't use Websters to define words nor use Luther's lack of understanding of the Koine Greek to find a path to heaven. The Greek word faith, pistis, is a noun, the word believe pisteuo is a verb. The word faith NEVER means to believe. You have bought into the reformed doctrine that sends millions to hell. Faith is what is to be believed and obeyed. You obviously don't care what the text actually teaches. But, everyone has to take the path they wish to travel. The one which requires our obedience to the commands of God and the one which leads to hell. You have made it clear which you have chosen. Rom_16:26 but now made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith—
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
You, of course reject these verses.
C Ya.

 

[brightfame52]

It's never meaning that faith is a condition we must act in order to get Justified before God, cause that overthrows Justification before God based solely upon the Person and Work of Jesus Christ , what He did for the Justified. Then it becomes justification by our works, a false gospel!

You see if those Christ died for are not Justified before God before they believe, and not until they believe, then their act of faith becomes their Justification before God, and not Christ alone, which is error indeed !

If our faith is our righteousness/justification, then we are justified before God by our own righteousness, which is of the law, and not the righteousness of Christ Phil 3:9

And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

If you say my Faith makes me just or righteous before God, then you shall be found justified by your own righteousness !

 

[Blik]

Never sure what people post not being a mind reader. Wish I was. But Righteousness can only come when a person obeys the commands of God. If everyone was righteous, justified simply because Jesus was crucified the that would be universal salvation. And, I surely don't buy into that. Thanks.

If we say we do not sin (righteous) we lie, scripture tells us it is by faith in Christ we are righteous.

The question is what does the Lord mean by faith in Christ? Is it enough to have faith in that through Christ we can be forgiven our sin and have eternal life or does it have to include faith in all Christ says? Christ says some pretty tough things, like we are to repent of sin and love our enemies. Do we have to have faith in these things?

 

[Atpilot]

1John 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. Of course one can't be justified, become righteous by inventing a personal doctrine. Who says they can? Where do the commands in the scriptures originate? They come from GOD. What makes a person righteous is being obedient to GOD'S righteous works. Works which come from God.
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abijah. His wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. Luk 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless. Please read what made the parents of John the baptizer "righteous". It was their obedience to God's law. They did not invent the works that made them righteous. God did that before the foundation of the world. Because they did the works God instructed them to do did not make those works originate from them. Those works were "not of themselves". Get it? See Eph 2:8,9. You seem to believe doing works commanded by God is evil and will not please God who commanded them. Really disturbing.
That's a doctrine which came from the mind of Martin Luther among others. Please show me where obeying God's commands is a bad thing.