The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
lol. I didn't change anything.

I DID expose your FALSE notions about Rev 14. v.14-20 are all about the same thing: BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD.

But go ahead and deny it. Doesn't matter.

You literally made it up.

OK, so you went ahead and denied it.

Can you specifically state what I have made up?

The blood is from the battle.

Well, of course it would be. But the BLOOD is in the context of reaping and harvesting, if you have ever read ch 14. That was what I was pointing out. But you keep omitting these facts.

Give me the specific verse that refers to a rapture. I dare you.

You did it again.
Attempting to make "sickle" into "blood"

Well, I can't help your reading deficiency. But again you are wrong. The truth is that the "sickle" CAUSES blood to flow. That was the point. You know, in the reaping AND harvest.

You recklessly changed revelation.

No, I directly quoted Rev 14:14-20. How can I change the Word when I only quote it? Your comments are just getting weirder and weirder.

You need to respect the word of God.

Of course I do. And I have shared verses that support what I believe, unlike yourself.

You need to READ the Word of God. Because apparently you make claims that AREN'T in the chapters or verses that you do cite.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
You really need to follow along if you insist on responding to posters.

My post quoted Rev 14:14-20. It was about reaping the harvest and was all about BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD.

You really should read it. The Bible, that is.

According to all you're been claiming, your "rapture" is a BLOODY MESS.

The Scripture has Jesus swinging a sharp sickle, reaping and harvesting the EARTH. With ENOUGH BLOOD to rise to a horse's bridle for about 180 miles.

Now, explain how that fits into your rapture theory.

I cant believe the butcher job you do.
Sad. ( and all to defend some ridiculous doctrine.)

What is really sad is how poorly you apparently comprehend (if at all) ch 14, which I quoted from v.14-20.

How ignorant to actually read "firstfruits" then go on a tare to shove "harvest" off the table.

Those who have reading skills can easily see that I KEPT "harvest" ON the table. You are just so confused.

The next gathering after firstfruits is always main harvest.

Yeah, I know all about that. And I pointed out the reaping and harvent in v.14-20 and the END RESULT: blood.

Are you that dense to think the 144k are firstfruits of your ignorant " bloody rapture"

No, you are the very dense one to use Rev 14 as some kind of rapture chapter when the reaping and harvest, which YOU have used to defend some kind of resurrection and rapture, is really God's wrath being poured out on earth.

Dense for sure.

You are not well are you?

Said the very very not well person.

 

[FreeGrace2]

You will be held accountable for what you do to rev 14.

I would not want to be in your shoes.

I have never seen a human being get so vile and nasty towards God's word

All you need to do is look in a mirror and you'll see such a human being.

Rev 14 isn't anything like what you think it says. You've butchered it up pretty badly.

And YOU will be held accountable for such lousy behavior.

 

[Absolutely]

Am I correct that

for there to BE A PRE TRIB RAPTURE it would have to happen BEFORE the war in heaven or AFTER the war

EITHER way BEFORE SATAN KICKED OUT,

WHICH TURNS OUT

TO NOT BE POSSIBLE AT ALL

BECAUSE

CHRIST CAN'T LEAVE THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD

UNTIL AFTER

SATAN AT HIS FEET ON THE EARTH


So my question NOW is for anyone, how is PRE TRIB RAPTURE POSSIBLE AT ALL?


HERE IS THE COMMAND FROM GOD
34 Not for David ascended into the heavens he says however himself Said the Lord to Lord of me, Sit at right hand of Me
35 until I place the enemies of You a footstool of the feet of You

or

DEFINITELY A COMMAND GIVEN WAY BEFORE THE FACT

Psalm 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.
3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.
7 He shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he lift up the head.



Luke 20:43
until I place the enemies of You as footstool of the feet of You

Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Hebrews 2:1 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.
2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to his own will?


Hebrews 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;


JESUS CAN'T COME PRE TRIB It is RENDERED impossible by


GODS VERY OWN COMMAND

NEWS FLASH
REV is not always in chronological order.

Just look at the weirdness of trying to make a postrib resurrection out of rev 20.

It is ABUNDANTLY CLEAR AND UNMISTAKEABLE those ones beheaded were resurrected way before Armageddon.

 

[FreeGrace2]

And yet the 144k ARE IN HEAVEN IN THE FIRST FEW VERSES of rev 14.

You can not read evidently.
IT SAYS THEY WERE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH.

So you believe that "redeemed" means "raptured" then?

But no, you have to factor in your ridiculous notion of some made up postrib rapture

2 Thess 2:1 says so very clearly. But it takes a bit of reading skills to understand it.

Rev 14 destroys your view.

Broken record. You've NEVER proven your empty claims yet. Show me how, specifically.

That is why you are butchering that chapter.

Prove it.

No fear of God in your being.

Judge not, lest you be judged.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
You really need to follow along if you insist on responding to posters.

My post quoted Rev 14:14-20. It was about reaping the harvest and was all about BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD.

You really should read it. The Bible, that is.

According to all you're been claiming, your "rapture" is a BLOODY MESS.

The Scripture has Jesus swinging a sharp sickle, reaping and harvesting the EARTH. With ENOUGH BLOOD to rise to a horse's bridle for about 180 miles.

Now, explain how that fits into your rapture theory.

How rediculously evil and beligerant to change that chapter.

Seems you're getting rather hot under the collar here. You might want to take a break and get that blood pressure down a bit.

Quoting from v.14-20 isn't changing anything. It's REVEALING what the "reaping" and "harvent" is really about.

14 And I looked, and behold, a white cloud; and upon the cloud sat one like unto the Son of Man, having on his head a golden crown and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, “Thrust in thy sickle and reap; for the time has come for thee to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.”
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.
17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in Heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18 And another angel came out from the altar, who had power over fire, and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, “Thrust in thy sharp sickle and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, for her grapes are fully ripe.”
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great wine press of the wrath of God.
20 And the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood came out of the wine press, even unto the horse bridles, for the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

There it is right there for anyone to see.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it sure is. Blood, blood, blood. All from the "sharp sickle" in Jesus' hand.

We see THE LAST GROUP Gathered LAST BY ANGELS, NOT JESUS.
WE SEE THAT GROUP thrown into the winepress.

It's all together, frankly.

But you need all thrown into it.

Why?

Because of your erroneous lying false doctrine.

This is hilarious. You boast big claims, but you cannot prove any of it. So go ahead and just keep lying.

 

[Absolutely]

The False Teaching of what happens at the Rapture.

I believe people have been taught through preaching, books, videos etc a wrong view of what happens at the Rapture.

This false teaching says that when people are caught away to meet the Lord others will see them rise in the air, and great devastation will happen. Planes will fall out of the sky as Christian pilots are taken away, plus cars and buses, trains etc will all crash because their drivers were believers and were caught away.

People are told that unbelievers will be shocked and horrified as they realise they have been `left behind.`

None of this is a true picture, I believe, of what will really happen at the rapture.

The Truth of what will happen at the Rapture.

God`s word says that we will see that Day, (of the Lord) approaching and thus get together more.

`...exhorting, (encouraging and warning) one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.` (Heb. 10: 25)

I believe the Holy Spirit will be stirring our spirits expectantly so that we know the time is very close.

`To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear...` (Heb. 9: 28)

In the world people will think WW 3 is happening. The Russian Federation plus Iran, Ethiopia and Libya, (Ez. 38: 1 - 5) will be brought down by God to the mountains of Israel for judgment. The amassing of those troops will be very plain to see. Even now there is movement in those nations. People of the world will be looking at their phones, TV, etc in great fear of a nuclear World War.

The Lockdowns due to a supposed pandemic will keep people separate from others. Most will only be concerned with getting supplies, (which may be limited) and returning home.

Then when those who are eagerly waiting and looking for the Lord are taken, their bodies will be changed and there will be nothing left to indicate where they are. If some people do notice that so and so is not around there are many reasons for that - gone into a covid quarantine camp, visiting relatives, gone on holiday, etc etc.

Have you ever thought about this?

In the op she stated pilotless planes crashing is false.

Then later states people will be taken in the rapture.

Pilots stay?

 

[Absolutely]

Only those watching and waiting now will go in the rapture.
But no, even those pretribbers will be separated from the nominal carnal believers.

There are those watching and hoping, but carnal and playing games in their secular walk.


Matt 25
6 And at midnight there was a cry made: ‘Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.’
7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, ‘Give us of your oil, for our lamps are gone out.’
9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘Not so, lest there be not enough for us and you; but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.’
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage, and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us!’
12 But he answered and said, ‘Verily I say unto you, I know you not.’
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of Man cometh.

Watch and wait for Jesus coming as a bridegroom.
No horses
No warrior
No great tribulation.
No antichrist.

Watch, wait, Keep Full of The Holy Spirit, or weep at your dilemma to face the ac coming on a horse to behead you.

 

[kleronomos]

HOW MANY have been at these crossroads before?

I had read past every one of those verses numerous times before and never once did 'THE absolute TRUTH' of what He was saying come forth. I am sure I had used it before but never like this. it was like getting punched in the nose.

And so I got down on my knees and I prayed. And I prayed and gave thanks. And I prayed and repented for my part of not coming forth in the manner written for me to and what part that may have played in truth not coming sooner. I prayed for the body of Christ, that the eyes and ears of those who are HIS were opened. I prayed for a miracle. I prayed that we might all come together as ONE as Christ and the Father our one. I thanked HIM for the measure He has given me and I prayed that I feel no pride in myself because none of it is of myself and all PRAISE AND GLORY ARE HIS ALONE. I THANK Him for His Truth and then I shut up and let my angel do the rest.

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart

Lord hear my prayer.

This isn't about being right or being wrong because as ONE MAN we are all together right and wrong. We all have been deceived by those who came before us and have all had to come out of it. None of us have done it on our own and we are all made the better for it. THIS IS ABOUT GOD THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT AND HIS WILL and HIS PLAN. I PRAY this is read in the light of this truth, just like the verse of the footstool was for me. Eating the book, sweet in the mouth but bitter in the tummy.

The war in heaven, SATANS DEFEAT and being cast out are all a pre requisites to Christs leaving the right hand of God.

With that KNOWLEDGE, IT IS CLEAR

THERE IS NO WAY POSSIBLE FOR CHRIST TO COME TO THE EARTH UNTIL AFTER SATAN, which means many of our verses come together and there are less questions about what goes where (still have the last day of this age, the last day of the millennium, the last day of Old Covenant...)




2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

We definitely know it is the war in heaven and the workings of Satan and him standing where he ought not that is withholding Christ from returning and the Lords day from beginning


7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

but it reads in the interlinear like this only the restraining at present until out of [the] midst he might be

The only one who LETS anything is GOD and the day of the Lord and our gathering unto to him isn't until after
out of heaven he is kicked.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness OF HIS COMING.

9 Even him, WHOSE coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,




10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.



13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

 

[Absolutely]

Pretrib rapture
Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

Acts 1
8 But ye shall receive power after the Holy Ghost is come upon you; and ye shall be witnesses unto Me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
9 And when He had spoken these things, while they beheld, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel,
11 who also said, “Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who is taken up from you into Heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into Heaven

Rev 3
10 Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I will also keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Matt24
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark
39 and knew not until the flood came and took them all away, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken and the other left.
42 “Watch therefore, for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Matt 25
6 And at midnight there was a cry made: ‘Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.’
7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, ‘Give us of your oil, for our lamps are gone out.’
9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘Not so, lest there be not enough for us and you; but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.’
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage, and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us!’
12 But he answered and said, ‘Verily I say unto you, I know you not.’
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of Man cometh.

 

[kleronomos]

FOR ANYONE FOLLOWING THIS THREAD IT MUST BE BECOMING VERY APPARENT WHAT IS WRITTEN and what is not,

BUT ONCE YOU THINK ABOUT 'PRE TRIB RAPTURE' AND THE 7 YEARS FOLLOWING,

and HOW RIDICULOUS the 'reality' of LOOKS,

you should be able to stand firm in what you believe.


On the planet today, 1 in 3 is a Christian. But they are not spread out evenly over the earth.


Almost 80% of America would be gone. No one even has to be very smart to know that that alone would basically kill the world for the next 7 years. There is nothing Satan and his angels could even do to get it to a place where deception was possible.

Just imagine how long it would take the world to recover from just America disappearing. AMERICA supplies food for quite a bit of the world.

Since farmers are mostly Christian, FOOD PRODUCTION WOULD BASICALLY CEASE. Banking would be devastated. Who would own what?

2.3 billion world wide.

THERE IS NO WAY that FAITH could come upon A SINGLE SOUL after an event like that.

WHAT LYING SIGNS AND WONDERS WOULD MEAN ANYTHING AFTERWARDS?

LOOK WHAT COVID DID TO OUR ECONOMY IN A YEAR. 80% OF AMERICA GONE OFF THE PLANET. KEEP SAYING IT.


Romans 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

Romans 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.


HOW MUCH DOES IT TAKE TO DISCREDIT A BELIEF? HOW CAN ANYONE BELIEVE IN SOMETHING TO WHICH EVER SINGLE ASPECT HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BE FALSE. SURE LOTS OF WORDS, LOTS OF SARCASM, LOTS OF WAYS OF THE WORLD, BUT NOTHING IS AS IT IS WRITTEN.

PRIDE GOES BEFORE THE FALL.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Then later states people will be taken in the rapture.

Could you show this from Scripture please?

 

[FreeGrace2]

Only those watching and waiting now will go in the rapture.

Since the Bible teaches there will be just ONE resurrection (with living believers caught up) in Matt 22:30, Luke 14:14 and Acts 24:15, and 1 Cor 15:23 makes very clear that ALL believers (those who belong to Him) will be resurrected "when He comes", which is a clear reference to the Second Advent, your statement cannot be true.

But no, even those pretribbers will be separated from the nominal carnal believers.

There are those watching and hoping, but carnal and playing games in their secular walk.

Claims, claims, claims. But no evidence at all.

Matt 25
6 And at midnight there was a cry made: ‘Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.’
7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, ‘Give us of your oil, for our lamps are gone out.’
9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘Not so, lest there be not enough for us and you; but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.’
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage, and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us!’
12 But he answered and said, ‘Verily I say unto you, I know you not.’
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of Man cometh.

Watch and wait for Jesus coming as a bridegroom.
No horses
No warrior
No great tribulation.
No antichrist.

Watch, wait, Keep Full of The Holy Spirit, or weep at your dilemma to face the ac coming on a horse to behead you.

Those who are forced to appeal on the basis of parables are desperate indeed.

They weren't meant to be understood. Even Jesus' disciples had to have them explained to them.

Further, a parable can be claimed to mean nearly anything and there is no way to prove or refute it.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Pretrib rapture
Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

No mention of timing here. It is about being counted worthy when believers stand before the Bema.

Acts 1
8 But ye shall receive power after the Holy Ghost is come upon you; and ye shall be witnesses unto Me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
9 And when He had spoken these things, while they beheld, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel,
11 who also said, “Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who is taken up from you into Heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into Heaven

No mention of timing. These verses tell us that the Second Advent will involve clouds just as when He ascended.

Rev 3
10 Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I will also keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world to try them that dwell upon the earth.

God is fully able, just as He was with Israel in Egypt and the plagues, to keep faithful believers from His wrath as He pours it out on the earth. But don't forget many believers will be martyred. So it won't be an easy ride at all.

Matt24
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark
39 and knew not until the flood came and took them all away, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken and the other left.
42 “Watch therefore, for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

I don't see anything about timing here. I do see a "gathering", which will be at the Second Advent, as 2 Thess 2:1 says and Rev 20:5 shows.

QUOTE][Matt 25
6 And at midnight there was a cry made: ‘Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.’
7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, ‘Give us of your oil, for our lamps are gone out.’
9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘Not so, lest there be not enough for us and you; but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.’
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage, and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us!’
12 But he answered and said, ‘Verily I say unto you, I know you not.’
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of Man cometh.[/QUOTE]
Parables are only a desperate attempt to explain your view because there are no clear verses that support your view.

This parable is about being ready when the Lord comes. He comes at the Second Advent. This parable doesn't support a pretrib ANYTHING.

 

[Absolutely]

FOR ANYONE FOLLOWING THIS THREAD IT MUST BE BECOMING VERY APPARENT WHAT IS WRITTEN and what is not,

BUT ONCE YOU THINK ABOUT 'PRE TRIB RAPTURE' AND THE 7 YEARS FOLLOWING,

and HOW RIDICULOUS the 'reality' of LOOKS,

you should be able to stand firm in what you believe.


On the planet today, 1 in 3 is a Christian. But they are not spread out evenly over the earth.


Almost 80% of America would be gone. No one even has to be very smart to know that that alone would basically kill the world for the next 7 years. There is nothing Satan and his angels could even do to get it to a place where deception was possible.

Just imagine how long it would take the world to recover from just America disappearing. AMERICA supplies food for quite a bit of the world.

Since farmers are mostly Christian, FOOD PRODUCTION WOULD BASICALLY CEASE. Banking would be devastated. Who would own what?

2.3 billion world wide.

THERE IS NO WAY that FAITH could come upon A SINGLE SOUL after an event like that.

WHAT LYING SIGNS AND WONDERS WOULD MEAN ANYTHING AFTERWARDS?

LOOK WHAT COVID DID TO OUR ECONOMY IN A YEAR. 80% OF AMERICA GONE OFF THE PLANET. KEEP SAYING IT.


Romans 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

Romans 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.


HOW MUCH DOES IT TAKE TO DISCREDIT A BELIEF? HOW CAN ANYONE BELIEVE IN SOMETHING TO WHICH EVER SINGLE ASPECT HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BE FALSE. SURE LOTS OF WORDS, LOTS OF SARCASM, LOTS OF WAYS OF THE WORLD, BUT NOTHING IS AS IT IS WRITTEN.

PRIDE GOES BEFORE THE FALL.

All pure conjecture.

Rev 14 completely destroys any hope of your "bride being whipped into worthyness" doctrine

 

[Absolutely]

Pretrib rapture
Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

Acts 1
8 But ye shall receive power after the Holy Ghost is come upon you; and ye shall be witnesses unto Me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
9 And when He had spoken these things, while they beheld, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel,
11 who also said, “Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who is taken up from you into Heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into Heaven

Rev 3
10 Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I will also keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Matt24
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark
39 and knew not until the flood came and took them all away, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken and the other left.
42 “Watch therefore, for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Matt 25
6 And at midnight there was a cry made: ‘Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.’
7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, ‘Give us of your oil, for our lamps are gone out.’
9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘Not so, lest there be not enough for us and you; but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.’
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage, and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us!’
12 But he answered and said, ‘Verily I say unto you, I know you not.’
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of Man cometh.

Postribbers can not refute any of the above...at least not without reframing it into the next universe

 

[Absolutely]

HOW MANY have been at these crossroads before?

I had read past every one of those verses numerous times before and never once did 'THE absolute TRUTH' of what He was saying come forth. I am sure I had used it before but never like this. it was like getting punched in the nose.

And so I got down on my knees and I prayed. And I prayed and gave thanks. And I prayed and repented for my part of not coming forth in the manner written for me to and what part that may have played in truth not coming sooner. I prayed for the body of Christ, that the eyes and ears of those who are HIS were opened. I prayed for a miracle. I prayed that we might all come together as ONE as Christ and the Father our one. I thanked HIM for the measure He has given me and I prayed that I feel no pride in myself because none of it is of myself and all PRAISE AND GLORY ARE HIS ALONE. I THANK Him for His Truth and then I shut up and let my angel do the rest.

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart

Lord hear my prayer.

This isn't about being right or being wrong because as ONE MAN we are all together right and wrong. We all have been deceived by those who came before us and have all had to come out of it. None of us have done it on our own and we are all made the better for it. THIS IS ABOUT GOD THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT AND HIS WILL and HIS PLAN. I PRAY this is read in the light of this truth, just like the verse of the footstool was for me. Eating the book, sweet in the mouth but bitter in the tummy.

The war in heaven, SATANS DEFEAT and being cast out are all a pre requisites to Christs leaving the right hand of God.

With that KNOWLEDGE, IT IS CLEAR

THERE IS NO WAY POSSIBLE FOR CHRIST TO COME TO THE EARTH UNTIL AFTER SATAN, which means many of our verses come together and there are less questions about what goes where (still have the last day of this age, the last day of the millennium, the last day of Old Covenant...)




2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

We definitely know it is the war in heaven and the workings of Satan and him standing where he ought not that is withholding Christ from returning and the Lords day from beginning


7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

but it reads in the interlinear like this only the restraining at present until out of [the] midst he might be

The only one who LETS anything is GOD and the day of the Lord and our gathering unto to him isn't until after
out of heaven he is kicked.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness OF HIS COMING.

9 Even him, WHOSE coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,




10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.



13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

Pretribber here
Yes i thank you for those verses.
Great verses!
Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart.

Definitely harmonizes with pretrib rapture!!
Thanks!

 

[Absolutely]

FOR ANYONE FOLLOWING THIS THREAD IT MUST BE BECOMING VERY APPARENT WHAT IS WRITTEN and what is not,

BUT ONCE YOU THINK ABOUT 'PRE TRIB RAPTURE' AND THE 7 YEARS FOLLOWING,

and HOW RIDICULOUS the 'reality' of LOOKS,

you should be able to stand firm in what you believe.


On the planet today, 1 in 3 is a Christian. But they are not spread out evenly over the earth.


Almost 80% of America would be gone. No one even has to be very smart to know that that alone would basically kill the world for the next 7 years. There is nothing Satan and his angels could even do to get it to a place where deception was possible.

Just imagine how long it would take the world to recover from just America disappearing. AMERICA supplies food for quite a bit of the world.

Since farmers are mostly Christian, FOOD PRODUCTION WOULD BASICALLY CEASE. Banking would be devastated. Who would own what?

2.3 billion world wide.

THERE IS NO WAY that FAITH could come upon A SINGLE SOUL after an event like that.

WHAT LYING SIGNS AND WONDERS WOULD MEAN ANYTHING AFTERWARDS?

LOOK WHAT COVID DID TO OUR ECONOMY IN A YEAR. 80% OF AMERICA GONE OFF THE PLANET. KEEP SAYING IT.


Romans 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

Romans 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.


HOW MUCH DOES IT TAKE TO DISCREDIT A BELIEF? HOW CAN ANYONE BELIEVE IN SOMETHING TO WHICH EVER SINGLE ASPECT HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BE FALSE. SURE LOTS OF WORDS, LOTS OF SARCASM, LOTS OF WAYS OF THE WORLD, BUT NOTHING IS AS IT IS WRITTEN.

PRIDE GOES BEFORE THE FALL.

"""FOR ANYONE FOLLOWING THIS THREAD IT MUST BE BECOMING VERY APPARENT WHAT IS WRITTEN and what is not,
BUT ONCE YOU THINK ABOUT 'PRE TRIB RAPTURE' AND THE 7 YEARS FOLLOWING,
and HOW RIDICULOUS the 'reality' of LOOKS,"""

Ok
The bible is not a mental book.
Your mistake is 3 fold;
1) trying to fit your conjecture into the bible
2) relying on your mind instead of guidance by the Holy Spirit
3)omission of verses

Sir
You are GUARANTEED ERROR

 

[Absolutely]

FOR ANYONE FOLLOWING THIS THREAD IT MUST BE BECOMING VERY APPARENT WHAT IS WRITTEN and what is not,

BUT ONCE YOU THINK ABOUT 'PRE TRIB RAPTURE' AND THE 7 YEARS FOLLOWING,

and HOW RIDICULOUS the 'reality' of LOOKS,

you should be able to stand firm in what you believe.


On the planet today, 1 in 3 is a Christian. But they are not spread out evenly over the earth.


Almost 80% of America would be gone. No one even has to be very smart to know that that alone would basically kill the world for the next 7 years. There is nothing Satan and his angels could even do to get it to a place where deception was possible.

Just imagine how long it would take the world to recover from just America disappearing. AMERICA supplies food for quite a bit of the world.

Since farmers are mostly Christian, FOOD PRODUCTION WOULD BASICALLY CEASE. Banking would be devastated. Who would own what?

2.3 billion world wide.

THERE IS NO WAY that FAITH could come upon A SINGLE SOUL after an event like that.

WHAT LYING SIGNS AND WONDERS WOULD MEAN ANYTHING AFTERWARDS?

LOOK WHAT COVID DID TO OUR ECONOMY IN A YEAR. 80% OF AMERICA GONE OFF THE PLANET. KEEP SAYING IT.


Romans 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

Romans 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.


HOW MUCH DOES IT TAKE TO DISCREDIT A BELIEF? HOW CAN ANYONE BELIEVE IN SOMETHING TO WHICH EVER SINGLE ASPECT HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BE FALSE. SURE LOTS OF WORDS, LOTS OF SARCASM, LOTS OF WAYS OF THE WORLD, BUT NOTHING IS AS IT IS WRITTEN.

PRIDE GOES BEFORE THE FALL.

"""HOW MUCH DOES IT TAKE TO DISCREDIT A BELIEF? HOW CAN ANYONE BELIEVE IN SOMETHING TO WHICH EVER SINGLE ASPECT HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BE FALSE. SURE LOTS OF WORDS, LOTS OF SARCASM, LOTS OF WAYS OF THE WORLD, BUT NOTHING IS AS IT IS WRITTEN.
PRIDE GOES BEFORE THE FALL"""

EXACTLY!!!
I Do hope in the future you will stop omitting verses in order to cling to error.

 

[Absolutely]

HOW MANY have been at these crossroads before?

I had read past every one of those verses numerous times before and never once did 'THE absolute TRUTH' of what He was saying come forth. I am sure I had used it before but never like this. it was like getting punched in the nose.

And so I got down on my knees and I prayed. And I prayed and gave thanks. And I prayed and repented for my part of not coming forth in the manner written for me to and what part that may have played in truth not coming sooner. I prayed for the body of Christ, that the eyes and ears of those who are HIS were opened. I prayed for a miracle. I prayed that we might all come together as ONE as Christ and the Father our one. I thanked HIM for the measure He has given me and I prayed that I feel no pride in myself because none of it is of myself and all PRAISE AND GLORY ARE HIS ALONE. I THANK Him for His Truth and then I shut up and let my angel do the rest.

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart

Lord hear my prayer.

This isn't about being right or being wrong because as ONE MAN we are all together right and wrong. We all have been deceived by those who came before us and have all had to come out of it. None of us have done it on our own and we are all made the better for it. THIS IS ABOUT GOD THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT AND HIS WILL and HIS PLAN. I PRAY this is read in the light of this truth, just like the verse of the footstool was for me. Eating the book, sweet in the mouth but bitter in the tummy.

The war in heaven, SATANS DEFEAT and being cast out are all a pre requisites to Christs leaving the right hand of God.

With that KNOWLEDGE, IT IS CLEAR

THERE IS NO WAY POSSIBLE FOR CHRIST TO COME TO THE EARTH UNTIL AFTER SATAN, which means many of our verses come together and there are less questions about what goes where (still have the last day of this age, the last day of the millennium, the last day of Old Covenant...)




2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

We definitely know it is the war in heaven and the workings of Satan and him standing where he ought not that is withholding Christ from returning and the Lords day from beginning


7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

but it reads in the interlinear like this only the restraining at present until out of [the] midst he might be

The only one who LETS anything is GOD and the day of the Lord and our gathering unto to him isn't until after
out of heaven he is kicked.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness OF HIS COMING.

9 Even him, WHOSE coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,




10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.



13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

"""THERE IS NO WAY POSSIBLE FOR CHRIST TO COME TO THE EARTH UNTIL AFTER SATAN, which means many of our verses come together and there are less questions about what goes where (still have the last day of this age, the last day of the millennium, the last day of Old Covenant...)"""

none of the rapture verses have Jesus touching the earth.
none.

you are so very far off


way off.

you have dreamed your way into a false doctrine.